Romney Steals 2012 Election!

[NorthCarolina]

by Dante DeNavarre for OpEdNews

I am calling it, a guaranteed Romney victory 2012, and I'm no psychic. The fix is so in, and none are so blind as those who won't see. Unbelievably we are still using voting machines proven not only hackable, but pre-programmable for fraud. Crucial deciding votes in Ohio and elsewhere will be counted on voting machines owned and rigged by the Romney family.

ARE WE MAD?



MITT'S MACHINES

The GOP has been stealing elections at least since 1996, when Republican Chuck Hagel stole a Nebraska Senate seat that he had no chance of winning in a "stunning upset" over Gov. Ben Nelson, who was 15 points ahead in the polls on election day. Before running, Hagel was chairman of AIS, the voting machine maker that is now ES&S. He first sold Nebraska on using his machines, then quit AIS, then "won" 56% of the vote in all demographics including predominately black precincts that always voted Democratic, becoming the first Repub senator elected there in 24 years. Having proved to the GOP that black box vote fraud worked, their euphoria almost made him VP in 2000, but he had to be content with as assist as Bush stole the 2000 election. Hagel's machines then re-elected him in 2002 with 83% of the vote, the highest margin of victory in the history of the state. The 2004 presidential theft, well documented, was child's play by then.

The Ultimate Felony against Democracy

Obama won in 2008 simply because his lead was too big for the fraud to overcome. The first rule of cheating, of course, is to not get caught, and we now know, thanks to a retired NSA analyst, that the cheat kicks in only in the most populous precincts, and never by more than 10%. Mitt even stole votes from Paul and Santorum to win the primaries. Michael Duniho's analysis over years is conclusive and damning and furthermore, testable in many counties with repeatable results.

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Link: http://www.opednews.com/articles/Romney-Steals-2012-Electio-by-Dante-DeNavarre-121031-853.html

[Floyd_Gondolli]

1. Another defeatist thread for the trash can

[RomneyLies]

2. I love the Trash This Thread button

I'm just afraid my trash can will be filled with tinfoil.

[NorthCarolina]

3. None so blind as those that will not see. nt

[Pbs1914]

20. +1

[brush]

21. Nobody here is blind

Many of us are working up to the last minute so that the election is not close enough to steal, as we did in 2008. I'm canvassing for Organizing for America (the President's ground game) the last days before the election. We know what's at stake. The repugs no doubt are going to try to steal it but we will outwork them. Try it yourself instead of posting defeatist crapola.

[Floyd_Gondolli]

25. +1

Some people simply covet the struggle.

[NorthCarolina]

27. "Defeatist crapola", and yet you qualify

your point by adding "working...so the election is not close enough to steal". So, is theft of the election a concern...or not?

[brush]

29. Of course it's a concern . . .

. . . but just throwing up our hands and saying they've already won because they're going to try to steal it is, imo, giving up. Our main concern should be to work to get out enough of our voters so they can't steal it. Many of us have been working for months, some over a year, some over two years, and some haven't stopped since '08, to make sure that doesn't happen. People have to, if they're physically able, actually get in their cars, drive to a local Obama campaign office and volunteer to do phone banking or canvassing. There are only 5 days left but everyone is welcome to come and pitch in. You'll be glad you did knowing that you contributed to a win and to history. And yes, I said "win" because we are going to win.

[alcibiades_mystery]

4. Oh fer fuck's sake

Can the ridiculous "election theft" people fucking stop it already?

The grown ups are trying to get shit done right now, you know?

[NorthCarolina]

5. Well you go girl!

[The Magistrate]

16. Always Fun To See a Fella Thinks Calling a Guy a Girl is An Insult....

[woolldog]

15. +1

Im sick of the defeatist bullcrap

[polichick]

6. The reason I'm no longer a Dem is because the party is complicit in this bullshit...

Sure, I'll vote Dem as long as they're the lesser of evils - but the party has done very little to correct the fraud that led to 2000 and 2004. The question I have is WHY?

[NorthCarolina]

9. Thats a pretty good question...

"Why?"

[polichick]

24. When Dems finally had the WH and both houses after the debacles of 2000 and 2004...

...they did nothing to build a verifiable and fraud-proof voting system on behalf of American voters.

Why didn't they? I guess because they didn't want to. Why not? I guess because the present system works for them somehow.

Well, it doesn't work for us.

[Ztolkins]

45. Maybe they felt there was no fraud...n/t

[polichick]

54. Fat chance.

[Supersedeas]

52. There is no denying that the evils of 2000 are subject to being repeated

[polichick]

55. It's frustrating that we even have to think about this twelve years later.

[UncleYoder]

7. Why don't...

Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?

[NorthCarolina]

12. Like this?

[Cal33]

13. Maybe it's because she belongs to the type that can learn from past mistakes.

[longship]

19. Here...

[Zambero]

8. I'm reminded of a satirical song from many years ago

From National Lampoon's "Radio Dinner" album circa early 70's. There was a track entitled "Deteriorata" which was a parody of overplayed the inspirational hit "Detiderata" (You are a child of the universe...). The parody was very nihilistic and pessimistic to say the least, but nevertheless hilarious. The last line after much doom and gloom was: "GIVE UP!". That's precisely what the above post is saying, but I doubt that there are many here that would express mcuh of any agreement. Sure, there are questionable moves afoot to alter the election results, but given the two choices (give up, or SHOW up and vote) it's not exactly a tough choice.

[NorthCarolina]

10. I don't see ANYWHERE that says "Give Up".

That really isn't the point the post is making. Of course, we are all allowed to interpret as we see fit I suppose.

[Zambero]

22. No, however:

Implying tends to make a much stronger statement than merely "saying", IMHO.

[The Magistrate]

18. And a Thing Of Wonder It Is, Sir

"Remember that two wrongs don't make a right, but three do."

[adigal]

11. I will celebrate on Wednesday - this Ohio thing has me bugged

I don't think it is close enough to steal, but I really do wonder why we haven't made voting machines tamper proof. If we could do it in NY state for 40 years on our big, old clunky machines, why can't we do it now???

[Lex]

14. And the Republicans are saying the same thing about the Democrats.

nt

[sufrommich]

17. OpEd News is the same as the Examiner,any idiot

can opine there.

[NorthCarolina]

28. So, you are claiming to know the author of the article, therefore

making you qualified to call him an idiot?

[sufrommich]

50. No, I'm claiming that OpEd news,like the Examiner,doesn't

have any journalistic standards. Anybody can submit an article there, there is no attempt to fact check,it's basically the equivalent of publishing your own book,you can do it but that doesn't make you a good writer.

[Democratopia]

23. Thanks NorthCarolina, I believe that elections have been stolen.

I think this election may be stolen, but only if they are confident they will get away with it, especially as if Obama wins, that is four more years of Democrats, an improving economy, the impossible situation of taking away Obamacare once people are fully benefiting from it, then a good chance of Hillary winning in 2016. Meanwhile, the Republican party will be at war with itself and could even split, So, very likely it will be stolen if it is very close. However, if Obama surges because of his Hurricane action and another unemployment rate drop tomorrow and still loses against his momentum there will be a lot of scrutiny and suspicion, so less likely. That said, I don't see any evidence Democrats have taken the matter of election theft seriously. If they had made it an issue, it would be much more risky for Karl Rove to steal another election.

[kerouac2]

26. The Ultimate Felony Against Democracy

From the article OP posted:

The Ultimate Felony Against Democracy
http://www.iefd.org/articles/ultimate_felony_against_democracy.php

Scary stuff. I have no doubt that they see close states like Ohio and FL as easy pickings. I wouldn't doubt it if they go for a 300+ ev victory through fraud. On that large a scale, it would make dems look petty for crying foul in all those states. If possible fraud gets smacked-down by chuck todd as conspiracy nonsense now, what do you think the rest of his pals are going to say later? They'll call it sour grapes.

[TroyD]

30. When is America going to catch up with the rest of the Western world?

Why are Secretaries of State, Governors & Attorneys General still allowed to control elections, ballots & voting machines?

In what other Western country is this allowed?

There need to be massive public demonstrations and constitutional changes which strip these powers away from partisan political officials and place them in the hands of an independent government elections agency. That's the way it works in most other Western countries as far as I know.

[Jack Sprat]

31. Good point.

Add redistricting to that laundry list. The election process itself seems to encourage the possibilities on unfairness and downright cheating. Where's the proof of how I voted, AFTER election day has come and gone?

[Jack Sprat]

32. You made some good points.

Don't be discouraged by the scoffers. I'd like to know why it's not possible for me to see proof of my voting and how I voted AFTER election day. Why can't we do that with all the technology currently available? Why can't we safeguard the voting process from software tampering? How can Romney's son have a vested interest in some of the voting machines? Why is that even allowed under federal law?

No wonder you're skeptical. I'm surprised more people aren't. When it is common knowledge that Repubs are trying to suppress voting all over the country, how can a citizen feel comfortable with elections anymore. What some of our people don't seem to get, is that the Repubs now feel justified doing whatever it takes to win...including outright boldfaced cheating! The 2000 election should have changed the minds of anyone on the fence concerning this.

[RBInMaine]

33. You have crossed the bridge to crazy land. Please, get on some serious meds.

[TroyD]

34. This is uncalled for - the OP raises valid points

Electoral theft by Republicans is a reality that occurs and should not be made light of.

[NorthCarolina]

36. No health insurance here so meds are not available to me. Perhaps I can get some of yours...

then again, I prefer to live in reality so you better just keep them.

[TroyD]

35. What do you make of Pew & Gallup saying Romney is ahead among early voters?

Nate Cohn from the New Republic:

"Pew and Gallup both found Romney ahead among early voters, which represented a sizable drop-off from 2008. Given that state polls routinely find Obama performing better among early voters than election day voters, these results were both surprising and good news for Team Romney."

[NorthCarolina]

38. Polls are worthless.

But GOP efforts to steal the election are real...

Voter ID laws geared towards voter suppression,
EVM's that are easily compromised, owned and operated by GOP supporters,
GOP voter purges,
GOP poll watchers dispatched to intimidate voters
Billboards/Ads touting imprisonment for illegal voting (which doesn't occur), but effective at intimidating minority voters
Missing votes (already happening in FL)

Of course some here on DU will say this is just "crazy talk".

Perhaps these DU'ers have some personal interest in downplaying GOP efforts to steal the election. Just a thought.

[Coyotl]

37. Election theft did not begin in 1996. Do a little research. Also, you don't

understand Midwest politics. A good candidate will win and voters cross parties to elect good people.

It is easy to write this stuff, but it is not easy to prove what you say. It is true that lots of people want to believe it, like lemmings wanting to go to sea. But that does not make it true.

There has been election theft. What you are doing is creating a real problem for those who know where the thefts were. You are misdirecting people and you are creating a psychological barrier to GOTV.

Get your facts straight first, then come back with them.

[brooklynite]

39. Unrec

If you really believe the Election is already stolen, tell us why yourself; don't just rehash someone else's conspiracy theory.

[TroyD]

40. I hate it when people put down others with the phrase 'conspiracy theory'

Conspiracies are real. They happen. When someone gets called a conspiracy theorist in a derogatory way because they point out the fact that conspiracies to subvert justice, murder etc. do actually occur out there, it does a disservice to those fighting to expose the truth.

Lincoln was assassinated in a conspiracy. So was JFK. So was Caesar. There are bad people out there who plot to do no good.

It's important to distinguish between valid conspiracy theories and those which are not.

[brooklynite]

42. Conspiracies are real...

Conspiracy Theories are allegations of conspiracies that are unproven.. The only evidence I've seen of vote stealing using electronic voting machines (I don't dispute the Republicans try to steal elections the old-fashined way), outside of anecdotal "someone pushed the button for candidate "A" and the light for candidate "B" lit up, are comments that actual vote counts differed from what some poll or analyst said the vote should be. And since nobody has explained how the alleged conspiracy works, I continue to describe the allegation as a "theory".

[NorthCarolina]

49. Vote stealing via EVM is not really just a "theory" anymore

From: http://www.globalresearch.ca/why-is-mitt-romney-so-confident-is-the-gop-stealing-the-elections/5310109

Ohio Precedent

This isn’t the first time Republicans have been charged with vote theft. It happened in the 2004 presidential election, in Ohio and Florida. In Ohio, GOP consultant Michael Connell claimed that the vote count computer program he had created for the state had a trap door that shifted Democratic votes to the GOP.

He was subpoenaed as a witness in a lawsuit against then-Secretary of State Ken Blackwell, and lawyers for the plaintiff asked the Dept. of Justice to provide him with security because there were two threats made against Connell’s life by people associated with Karl Rove. But in Dec. 2008, before the trial began, Connell was killed in a plane crash outside Akron Ohio.

There were problems in Florida, as well.

A study by the Quantitative Methods Research Team at the University of California at Berkeley found that anomalies between Florida counties using touch-screen voting and those using other methods could not be explained statistically. Noting the higher-than-expected votes for Bush in three large Democratic counties, Miami-Dade, Broward and Palm Beach, Michael Hout, a Berkeley professor who did the study said there were strong suspicions of vote-rigging.

“No matter how many factors and variables we took into consideration, the significant correlation in the votes for President Bush and electronic voting cannot be explained,” Hout said. “The study shows that a county’s use of electronic voting resulted in a disproportionate increase in votes for President Bush. There is just a trivial probability of evidence like this appearing in a population where the true difference is zero – less than once in a thousand chances.”

[AverageJoe90]

41. I think they'll try, but like in '08, it won't work.

Too many Democrats have voted early, and U.N. observers and Obama's lawyers are all over this. Game over.

[TroyD]

43. 'Game over'

It ain't over till it's over.

Until Barack Obama is re-elected, this game isn't over.

The GOP is working as hard as every to win the election and nothing should be taken for granted as already over.

[AverageJoe90]

44. That is a valid point.

Let's keep GOTVing until we have won. It's not too late to improve our margins yet.

[longbow5]

46. no way

O by 4% in OHIO!

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

47. There were threads like this in 2008 as well

I'm still waiting to find out why they just didn't steal it then?

[NCLefty]

48. Conspiracy theories are the domain of the right.

Well that's what I thought before I came here.

Yes, I'm clearly dumb.

[angrychair]

51. NOT. GOING. TO. HAPPEN.

Be gone!

We are here to RE-ELECT a president! Not to wring our hands at what might be. We have the President's back: GOTV. Vote early. Talk to friends. Talk to family. Talk to strangers.
We are better off. #itmatters

[PsychProfessor]

53. I hestitate to respond because I don't think these concerns have merit but

I think it is important to notice that actually the right wing nuts are saying these things as well. They are actually all up in arms that Obama is going to steal this election. They are talking about liberals who own voting machines. Apparently, this is something people do regardless of their political ideology when they are nervous. I think, again, that this takes some trust in President Obama. If these things had merit, he would know certainly more than the average citizen with access to the web. He would not just let himself be screwed. So, to the extent that I have faith in his abilities, I think we can rest easy on this one.

There was also an article posted online somewhere (I cannot find the link) where someone else analyzed some election data and saw this pattern as well in some democratic races. It seems like it is fishy, but it is not.

[cheezmaka]

56. Republicans were able to steal the 2000 Election...

because they "rigged" the count of electoral votes in Florida. If Republicans are going to steal this years election, they would have to not only steal Florida, but EVERY other swing state including Ohio. Which not only has Obama polling in the lead outside the margin of error, but will be without a doubt watched by pollwatchers of the Democratic Party there in Ohio. If they DO steal Ohio, Obama still has a greater path to 270 than Romney. Republicans may be good but NOT THAT GOOD...