Voicemails left for state Democratic Chairwoman Roberta Lange

[firebrand80]

I won't quote them here, because the language is just disgusting

https://www.ralstonreports.com/blog/sample-voicemails-left-state-democratic-chairwoman-roberta-lange

[RepubliCON-Watch]

1. Ok that one with the phone number was uncalled for.

I agree with the others, she should get a new profession. Politics ain't for her at all.

[firebrand80]

2. Another one called her the c-word nt

[RepubliCON-Watch]

34. That's also not an appropriate thing to say, whether one is in the wrong or not.

I understand the frustration because it's justified. But to go about like that will not produce the results we're all looking for.

[seabeyond]

38. You can't argue inapproiate and justified. Blows my mind.

[RepubliCON-Watch]

42. Wow. Don't even know what to say.

Some of the calls were horrible. There, just drop it right there.

[KingFlorez]

5. Uncalled for?

More like reprehensible. Where I come from it's messed up to call for someone to be murdered over politics, but that's just me. No shade, but.

[RepubliCON-Watch]

30. I know that's why I don't like that call.

I mean does me saying that it was uncalled for have to politicized as well? My god, learn to understand that we all agree on that being heinous ok?

[CreekDog]

60. so your opinion counts more than the people who supported her for that position?

sounds like you want to choose the chairs of democratic conventions yourself.

a little dictatorship is okay, if you get to be the dictator. what was it about fairness you were saying?

[RepubliCON-Watch]

61. See my other post, LIS.

[KingFlorez]

3. Remember, these are good people who only want a fair system

[PatrickforO]

23. I'd be tempted to take out the sarcasm banner on your post, and I'll tell you why:

They are people - the good, the bad and the ugly. But they are OUR people. OUR people who have been subjected to inferior public education, a popular culture that caters to the lowest of the lowbrow, and years of corporate propaganda about how bad the government is.

In my professional field, I'm known for telling people that we are only as good as our data, and now I'm suggesting here that our people are only as good as our culture allows them to be.

When did cheating become commonplace? Remember? When did stupidity begin to be celebrated? Remember?

So...you cannot blame them, and you certainly cannot determine based on a vulgar posting by someone with a fifth grade vocabulary who has been 'nurtured' on years of lowbrow 'sitcoms' and reality television shows is 'good' or not based on these posts. Seriously, when you look at celebrity tweets, twitter wars, internet bullying in the context of the vapid thing we call popular culture, they are doing what they know.

Just think if our education system was actually decent? And if we still had the fairness doctrine. And if the news was held sacrosanct from profits.

[morningfog]

43. You're talking about the super delegates, right?

You didn't even need the sarcasm.

[rbrnmw]

4. you should read Senator Boxer's Facebook page

they called her every deplorable name in the book. I couldn't read it.

[winter is coming]

7. Sounds like the Brock puppets are putting in overtime. n/t

[rbrnmw]

10. I have been here 8 years I am not a Brock puppet

[winter is coming]

13. I didn't say you were posting on Facebook.

[rbrnmw]

19. sorry

[Adrahil]

54. So you're claiming a false flag operation? Any evidence of that? NT

[Agschmid]

67. Nope. None. Zilch.

But hey why not just make up random crap.

Anything to fit the narrative.

[DURHAM D]

53. Did you see this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511972000

DU helped out by allowing Roberta Lange's phone number and home address to be proudly displayed in GDP.

[Aerows]

64. I asked them to take it down.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511972000#post24

It is dangerous to publish people's address and phone number on the internet.

That also goes for whoever posts the callback number for the other one. We have no way of knowing if those are legitimate phone numbers, but in any case, I wouldn't sleep easy knowing I didn't speak up about it and something terrible happened in either case.

[w4rma]

6. Are you sad that Clinton is losing this election because her corruption is being exposed?

These are regular people. Angry people. Unfiltered. The kind of folks that aren't at Hillary's little private house parties with big donors.

It's not too late to send her on her well deserved early retirement.

[SFnomad]

8. Clinton is losing this election?

It's sad to see people like you try to justify crap like this.

[Fresh_Start]

9. The excluded delegates

On the 64 delegates the Sanders campaign insists should have been seated, the Democratic Party post reveals only six showed up and:

The remaining potential delegates were ineligible for two main reasons: 1) They were not registered Democratic voters in Nevada by May 1, 2016, and 2) Their information — such as address, date of birth and name — could not be found or identified, and they did not respond to requests from the party and campaigns to correct it.

Rules, it appears, have no place in a revolution.

“They're lazy, they don't read the rules and when the rules are pointed out to them, they cry by exaggerating some Democratic talking point (everyone should participate, rules are unfair, it's mean to do this),” said one longtime Democrat who attended what he called his "first and last convention.”

The credentials committee, made up of half Sanders and half Clinton supporters, had no ability to simply toss rules such as May 1 registration date. The Sanders folks repeatedly raised what neutral observers said were either red herrings or nonsensical arguments, including that parking was so difficult some got there very late.

One eyewitness described it thusly: "There was some guy testifying that he missed getting in line because he stopped for a cigarette or got the wrong directions from the concierge. Or some guy who wasn't registered to vote but brought an incomplete registration application with him, and the Bernie folks would say ‘He clearly wants to participate, we're Democrats and we're inclusive.’”

https://www.ralstonreports.com/blog/sour-grapes-revolution-rocked-paris-hotel

[w4rma]

12. The delegates showed up and sat outside the convention door for the entire time. (nt)

[winter is coming]

17. I wouldn't trust ralstonreports to accurately report the weather, let alone politics. n/t

[JaneyVee]

22. Jon Ralston is the most respected reporter in Nevada.

[Fawke Em]

24. Then he needs to retire.

He lied several times and was called on it with proof during his live Tweets.

Hell, Nina Turner herself called him out when he said Bernie supporters booed her. They didn't. They were booing the process.

[Jack Bone]

51. and that's supposed to mean something....

like the prettiest hog at the fair?

[JaneyVee]

11. Bro did u just say Clinton is losing this election?

Bro.

[w4rma]

15. Let's get this straight. I'm not your "bro", JV. (nt)

[JaneyVee]

20. Solidarity, bro.

[w4rma]

28. I've noticed. I can't stand people like JV. I avoid them in real life like the plague. (nt)

[Fawke Em]

47. I have a sneaking suspicion the smiles will be wiped off their faces soon.

They keep their heads so far in the sand that they won't know what's about to hit them (note: this isn't about Bernie).

[w4rma]

49. If she makes it to the general election, none of us are going to get anything of what we want.

She's going to lose it. She's already dropping in the polls, compared to Trump. And, she seems to believe that pissing off just about every intellegently active Democrat is her meal ticket.

Hillary is either a saboteur or she is completely inside of her reality bubble.

[creeksneakers2]

62. Is she loses

It will because the Sanders supporters want her to.

[w4rma]

65. If Sanders supporters "want her to lose", it will be because of Clinton.

Remember that Sanders brought in independent voters. It's not Sanders's job to turn them into Clinton voters. It's Clinton's job. And she has, instead, worked very hard to piss them off and alienate them.

[creeksneakers2]

69. Hillary isn't working to alienate anybody

Why would she do that?

We are part of a party. Its everybody's job to work for the nominee, including Bernie.

[JaneyVee]

31. Youre calling me a shithead, but Im the shithead?

I never did shit to you. Perhaps youre the shithead?

[Luminous Animal]

25. Were you one of those that called Obama supporters "boy"

http://www.ibtimes.com/bernie-bros-obama-boys-echoes-2008-medias-clinton-sanders-pundit-clash-2300707

‘Obama Boys’

Veteran observers of the 2008 election, of course, remember sexism as a hot-button issue during the showdown between Clinton and Obama. Hillary supporters hit the young senator hard for several slights that many felt were gendered (“you’re likable enough, Hillary”), and her campaign returned to these charges more frequently as the race dragged on.

But that broadside gave life to a more specific narrative in the blogosphere: the scourge of the “Obama Boy,” a term coined in a 2008 Salon headline , though not the body, of a piece by Rebecca Traister, one of same authors who has repeatedly weighed in on the Bernie Bro this season. In the 2008 piece, Traister described women who, while sympathetic to Obama if not outright supportive, felt alienated by latent and sometimes not-so-latent sexism from male supporters .

[JaneyVee]

33. LOL WTF.

[Luminous Animal]

50. Indeed.

[Starry Messenger]

18. Bookmarking.

[redstateblues]

36. Bernie is an anger and envy merchant

What did you expect

[GulfCoast66]

66. Regular people?

I have watched it. They are not regular people. Regular people do not act that way.

They are regular assholes. Looked like a bunch a tea party folks.

[PatrickforO]

14. We live in a society that stopped teaching rhetoric and debate in high schools,

and has instead been inundated with gauche reality television shows like Keeping Up With the Kardashians.

The curse words and tasteless/dangerous-seeming voicemails are left by people who cannot summon better vocabulary.

It also has to do with the twitter/internet culture. How many messages have you seen where people have tweeted vulgar things like, "You should just die..?" Seriously, our civility seems to have died a grim death.

So, instead of something like, "I was disgusted by your reprehensible behavior at your state convention. It seemed to me that you were all about snubbing any attempt at a fair convention vote. You are wrong and should resign," we get messages like those left on the ralstonreports link.

I do not see this as a Sanders Supporter problem, though for political reasons I can readily see why Clinton supporters would position it as such. I see this as a problem with the general population of this nation. Certainly, it is a scathing indictment of our lame, lame, lame high school education processes. (Don't get me wrong, either - I'm NOT cutting down teachers, but the ignorant religio-political ideologues who are ruining our public education system).

I place the blame for this directly where it belongs - on oligarchs and corporate leadership who do not want our education system to produce critical thinkers and have spent billions of dollars and have for years cultivated the lowest common denominator of our society - funding them, empowering them, encouraging ignorance, celebrating anti-intellectualism, celebrating stupidity. How can we be surprised?

[GulfCoast66]

68. Really?

Because mature people blame childish behavior on the dolts behaving childish.

[Agnosticsherbet]

16. I just have to say "Wow!" to describe the high level of discourse used by Sanders Supporters

in their reasoned and respectful messages.

[JaneyVee]

21. Winning hearts and minds.

[reformist2]

27. Roberta Lange is a disgusting person.

Ironically, this 30 second clip makes me laugh, and laugh. She is as Keith Olbermann might have said, this week she is "the worst person in the world".

[Tarc]

29. I watched a periscope of a Bernie fan that day, his viewers were repeating her phone #

over and over, encouraging everyone else watching...over 1,000 at one point...to call and harass her. Not complain, not protest, but out-and-out harass.

[w4rma]

32. Roberta Lange, obviously, didn't get elected with her people skills. She's got the making enemies

part down, but she doesn't seem very good at making friends.

[Tarc]

41. I like how you completely ignored the part where an internet mob solicited harassment

of a female politician, just because she did something they disagree with.

By all means, run with this mindset as far and as fast as you can; it is what cost you the primary, after all...

[hertopos]

35. with all due respect, there is something wrong with this country.

Those language were for some ( not all ) Republicans and Freepers used for Democrats.

If Democrats calls other Democrats this way, this is not normal.

We are not Freepers. We are not like some Right wing nuts.

Anger and frustration won't justify such languages.

This is lynch mob type language.


It is very sad if some Sanders supporters are defending them


There is no hope when people turns into lynch mob.

It does not matter if you are right or left.

Just so awful.

Hertopos

[seabeyond]

45. I take it you are a Sanders support. I respect your post hugely. Nt

[hertopos]

48. I am an old lady who has been dreaming about Hillary becoming president for a very long time.

I believe it was good for Democrats to move towards left.

However, the language and actions are getting so agitated lately.

I am also concerned who are really Sander's supporters and who are actually Right wing
Hillary haters. This is why I actually prefer closed primary to exclude actually right leaning
so called independent.

In any case, lynch mob language and actions are just plain wrong.
There is a line we should not cross as Democrats.

Hertopos

[seabeyond]

56. I agree with you.

I went back and re read your post and realized I had read something into it making think you were a Sanders supporters. It was so refreshing to think it was possible to just call out wrong without justifying it some way.

I do agree with you.

[Kittycat]

70. I'm in the same leftist spot I've always stood in

And I stand with Bernie supporters. I don't support the bad language, and haven't seen anyone condone the crazy voicemails (that could honestly be any deranged person or loser out there, given the number was public), but I understand the frustration after watching far too many continuous/uncut videos of their convention. That was a mockery of the democratic process, and I'm not even talking about the 64. The way the votes were done, the gaveling, ignoring motion after motion, her abusive actions and condescending behavior - if you can't see that, and understand how 15 hours of it contributed to that, then I don't know what to say.

What I do know is I haven't left my party, but it's clear by the actions of party leadership that they have left me. I'm standing beside fellow democrats, welcoming new, younger democrats and Independents. Meanwhile, I look across the aisle, and you all are spitting in our faces every chance you get. That's okay, keep spitting, Philly will be here before you know it. So too will November, and all the scorched earth that follows.

#unity

[AzDar]

37. " Acta Non Verba ". No words could be as harmful as this treacherous woman's actions...

How MANY have fought and died for the right to do what that woman so sleazily and cowardly (attempted to) deny them. SHE is disgusting.


And THIS ISN'T OVER.

[Tarc]

44. I always pegged you as an "ends justify the means" kinda Bernie fan

I guess this is why Sanders lost the women voters, and with them the primary, this year.

[AzDar]

46. That would be Hillary and the DNC, wouldn't it... or are you pretending to not see?

[Tarc]

57. Lol, you seriously just pulled a "I know you are but what am I? ???

Man, I'm gonna miss you guys...

[a kennedy]

39. Wow, those comments are just not acceptable.

[sufrommich]

40. Childish assholes.

[Thinkingabout]

52. I just wonder, is this the type of people we want in charge of maintaining peace and calm?

Adults have to be responsible for their actions.

[workinclasszero]

55. Oh but we have been assured here time and time again

that there is no such animal as a berniebro!

The hateful pigs that made these terroristic phone calls need to get their asses horsewhipped!

Does anyone want to persuade me that these POS are liberal, progressive or democrats?

[LadyHawkAZ]

58. Actor arrested for beating a female "Bernie bro"

and she "berniebroed the wrong person", "made an ass out of herself", "walked into it", and, well, you gotta read this one to believe it.

I guess he must have spoken politely to the woman, and didn't call her any bad names? Because that would be an outrage.

Priyoritees.

[nadinbrzezinski]

59. Ok here is the obvious question,

have our friends in state patrol uniforms, well most likely a detective or two, taken a report? This is how those tings are handled, and nope, I ain't gonna justify that! Sorry if you were expecting that, But covering courts, sorry for the real world intruding here, I will wait for the obvious investigation to be done, finished and for actual evidence that these were not issued by the usual loons that we have threatening public officials every year. The causes why they do it change, but many a times these are folks in need of mental health care.

I learned a while ago, that things like this at times are not what they seem. And they can be dangerous. Why I asked, is there an obvious investigation under way? I mean that.

[Maru Kitteh]

63. And these are the self-proclaimed purists? Shameful and I hope the ones who left threats are

prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

[barrow-wight]

71. It is terrifying to me that this is what is happening to our democracy.

Why won't Sanders speak out against this? It's awful that his campaign is acting like this.