Now that the secret's out, Bernie can release those tax returns.

[kstewart33]

Jane incompetently developed a pipe dream proposal filled with holes, convinced a local bank and the Board of Trustees that it was within reach just over the rainbow, and the college is closing because of it.

She makes off with $200k. Quite a windfall from a college comprised of one building and less than 300 students at the time.

The horrors of income inequality? Jane's actions and the college's consequences are a prime example of it.

Nobody, not the students without degrees, not the unemployed faculty and staff, not the bank stuck with a huge unpaid loan, are singing the praises of long gone President Jane. Nor the estate of the man who donated $70,000 for student scholarships, and the school spent all the money paying the bills. The suit the estate filed against the college, is of course worthless.

But the one positive is that now Bernie can release the tax returns. The secret's out and he can meet the standard that Clinton has met for many, many years.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

1. CHEAP SHOT and unnecessary. We have to unite, some refuse to do that, on Bernie supporter side

but we need to unite.

[kstewart33]

19. Truth is not a cheap shot.

It speaks to the veracity of the Sanders who put forth ridiculous reasons for their so-called delay in releasing the returns ('Turbotax is too hard to understand!') when clearly a return would expose the contradiction between personal behavior and responsibilities and their campaign's chief message of the injustice of income inequality.

There has been no vetting by the media of Sanders' biography. He and Jane have been given a free pass from the media throughout the campaign.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

21. I am confused, what are you saying is on their taxes?

[kstewart33]

35. Jackie, it's the $200,000 pay out to Jane.

If the tax returns were released, it would have blown the Burlington College fiasco wide open in the media as they examined Bernie's returns.

Now that the story's out, why not release all of the returns? There may well be nothing else that's problematic for Bernie. Other than Jane being a greedy incompetent who stomped on her college as she slinged her huge bag of $$$ over her shoulders as she walked out the door.

Given how the media has given Bernie's biography a free pass, they may ignore the college's closing and Jane's role in it.

[Armstead]

38. None of that is a secret

It's not been of great interest to peopel outside of that little communityu, but it's been reported on.

It's not a great accomplishment on her part, but it also not that unusual for college presidents and otehr leaders of such institutions.

And she is not running for president.


Clinton has had some mess ups, on a much larger scale.

[kstewart33]

43. It's been quite a secret.

Very few media outlets have reported on Jane's controversial tenure except the Burlington Free Press, an old story in Politico, and I think an old one in the Washington Post.

Armstead, it's not fair to individually equate Jane with Hillary and I did not mean to do that. It is fair to equate Jane with Bill Clinton as either will be First Lady or the male equivalent.

And on this forum, Bill Clinton has been sliced and diced many, many times.

It is fair to equate both couples as each has worked as a team throughout the campaign.

I admit that this story strikes quite a nerve for me because of the obvious hypocrisy and because to date, Bernie's public reputation for honesty and a straight shooter has been riding on a wave driven in part by a media's refusal to vet the candidate purely because of the profits that a horserace continues to generate for them.

But the Republicans have vetted Bernie thoroughly and that is why they are salivating to get Bernie to the general. Millions they've spent on anti-Hillary ads and not a dime on Bernie. Their motive could not be more obvious.

[Armstead]

46. I don't think it is underhanded -- more like a bad institutional decision

I read the stories about it. Certainly not an experience one would want on their resume, but it was more of a case of counting on things that didn't appear as expected. It wasn't a swindle or an attempt to line her pockets. It was a bet on expansion that didn;t pay off, and misunderstanding about about anticipated contributions.

Her severance package was pretty standard fare too.

If Bernie were to get to the nomination, sure it would be a "scandle du jour" but I don't think it would have legs.

She's also not in the league of Bill Clinton. They operate in different universes.

[Ken Burch]

2. Bernie already released the returns.

And nothing Jane does is a campaign issue.

[scscholar]

3. Even when she campaigns for him?

And even he describes her as "one of his key advisers."

[fun n serious]

4. He has not released anything but 1 year..

We want 8 long form

[George II]

6. Does this mean that you and other Sanders supporters will never mention Bill Clinton again?

PS - as of today they released ONE year's tax returns - 2014. Nothing before that and nothing after that (2015), even though Jane Sanders promised to Andrea Mitchell on live television the day before they left for Rome that she would release them "when they are due", which was on April 18. Wednesday that will be a month ago.

[choie]

32. I'm pretty sure Bill Clinton was an elected official...

[George II]

36. 24 years ago. He isn't now.

[choie]

47. Only today Clinton proclaimed that Bill

was going to have a role in "revitalizing the economy" if she's elected - he's not off limits...

[azurnoir]

33. Nope as Hillary just trumpeted he will be in charge of revitalizing the economy

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bill-clinton-charge-revitalizing-economy-hillary-clinton/story?id=39132832

[kstewart33]

7. He's released an incomplete return for one year.

And that's not the year with the $200k payoff.

[Human101948]

10. Pretty skimpy pickings...when compared to $130 million incorporate bribes...

You really think they give her those fees because she's such a powerful speaker?

[KittyWampus]

20. there's all that money the Sanders channeled to family/friends via Burlington College-

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/1/13/1469298/-Bernie-s-Conundrum

[Human101948]

25. That's awful! Much worse than the millions that Hillary funneled into the Clinton Foundation...

in exchange for arms sold to repressive, women hating, gay killing regimes.

[Corporate666]

37. Take a step back and read what you are writing

You are saying it's OK for her to do something wrong that cost people their livelihoods because someone else did something worse.

When I was about 4 years old, one of my go-to defenses when my mom told me off for doing something was "but bobby did it tooooooo!"

I think I learned by about 6yo that this line of reasoning didn't work.

Yet here it is on DU for all to see.


Baffling. And embarrassing.

[randome]

42. The Clinton Foundation is a public -not private- charity.

You may want to believe otherwise, but it is not her personal bank account.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[msongs]

13. if your crowd is gonna keep attacking bill, jane is fair game as well nt

[kstewart33]

40. In an important respect, Bill and Jane are equals.

He might be First Gentleman and Jane might be First Lady.

What is the difference?

[virtualobserver]

5. speaking of candidate spouses..what was Bill doing flying to "orgy island" ......

with convicted pedophile pal Jeffrey Epstein...without his secret service detail.

[Thinkingabout]

8. I guess the tax return release isn't going to happen before November.

[Raster]

14. yeah, and I bet those transcripts of the Goldman speeches won't be...

...happening before November either.

[Thinkingabout]

23. Nor those conversations between Bernie and the NRA.

[Human101948]

28. Which ones were those? I must have missed those...

Perhaps you can document those conversations?

[Thinkingabout]

44. No we need for Sanders to document them.

[msongs]

16. aren't you glad sanders keep voting more $$ billions to carry out such things? he is complicit nt

[Prism]

18. He helped build the planes

I will not ignore his role. No one in our system doesn't get corrupted to some degree.

She said, "Go there, and kill those people."

And our military did. And once we were done, the barbarians took over and killed more.

Look at it.

[Fawke Em]

29. Now the Hilliterates are shutting down OPEN GOOGLE SEARCHES?

It's not like you were passing along classified information with the headers off or something.

[Human101948]

30. Yeah, the Hillary fans miss the distinction between defense and war crimes...

It's when you use those weapons to overthrow governments that are no threat and kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people that you cross that line.

[B Calm]

11. IRS only goes back 3 years, but you want to go back 6 years. Imagine the horror on Hillary's face

if she had to show the past 6 years of tax returns.

[PeaceNikki]

17. 23 years of their tax returns are publicly posted. Correction, it goes back to 1977

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/hillary-clinton-releases-eight-years-of-tax-returns-120882

So....

[B Calm]

24. You should have warned me about the virus threat.

[PeaceNikki]

27. .

[kstewart33]

31. Whoa, Peace. I thought it was 16 years.

That transparency is awesome!

Bernie's tax returns? Bueller? Bueller?

[kstewart33]

22. B, please do some research. Hillary Clinton has released her complete returns for the last 8 years.

And eight years before that.

[seabeyond]

12. You think this is whath he is hiding? I think it is a lower tax rate than 13%. Nt

[Fawke Em]

26. What secret?

We already knew she was paid the remainder of her contract when she stepped down. That's how it usually works.

[HereSince1628]

34. Schools on the financial edge sometimes gamble big

I taught at a college that came within 24 hours of having to declare bankruptcy after gambling big that a student-center dorm complex would make big bucks as a convention center. It didn't. And students avoided the living in that dorm as it was $90 more a month each for a small shared room, alumae failed to meet their targeted goal in donations. In the end, a gift was made by a friend of a trustee that satisfied the lender to allow the college to extend the deadline to meet its obligation.

Bad financial events happen to marginal colleges all too commonly... and it is often as not a matter of failing to meet an optimistically guessed at projection of giving that gets them in trouble. Usually making those projections involves more than just the college president.

[bettyellen]

41. It would be a horrible time to break their promise and support Trumps' dishonesty with their own.

What the fuck, Sanders- making up your own new rules for candidates? It is galling.

[azmom]

45. What a joke. You have no shame considering the

candidate you are supporting. Get a grip.

[kstewart33]

48. AZ, whoa there.

You support Bernie, Bettyellen supports Hillary. It's a difference of opinion and not personal characteristics.