2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumCOFFEE CAT YOU'RE FAMOUS!!!!
Cenk Uyger of The Young Turks just read your post about the switching of your registration in Iowa!!!!!!!!!!
Uncle Joe
(58,363 posts)Thanks for the thread, choie.
choie
(4,111 posts)I feel so proud!!!
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)must have happened in Nevada? Tell me I'm thinking of the wrong thing. The "tears" or whatever one?
But let this be a lesson anyway to be responsible in posts. None of us know where they could end up.
Thank you for the thread and for drawing attention to all of the anomalies that we have seen this primary election season. It is so important that something be done about this.
I am still trying to dissect what happened to me and my registration--and the crazy failures along the way. It has not been easy.
I appreciate you and I love your enthusiasm!
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)One Black Sheep
(458 posts)coffee cat's post! Funny, because I never listen to the young turks show live, this is the first time I listened live, and this happened....synchronicty. lol
pacalo
(24,721 posts)pacalo
(24,721 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Very important info gleaned--after I spoke with the county auditor's office today.
choie
(4,111 posts)pacalo
(24,721 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Is there a problem? CoffeeCat's word is good.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)No paper trail, no confirmation. By that standard every statement on DU is true - which obviously is not the case.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,328 posts)catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)I've been asking that all day!
Maru Kitteh
(28,340 posts)Just because something is said in DU, no matter WHO says it, does not mean it is true. Some people will accept the word of certain posters but absent any real proof, it's just gossip. That's true whether the subject is throwing chairs or one person's voter registration. Get it?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)scscholar
(2,902 posts)if this story turns out to be without merit.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)your Wing of the Party hates him, along with whistle-blowers, OWS, true journalists, and protestors.
Response to rhett o rick (Reply #28)
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seabeyond
(110,159 posts)said.....
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)the nerve to tell the truth in plain terms. And they won't genuflect to the establishment players.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)can I have your autograph ?
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)I think everyone should email these shows. There's some important things that come out here. I'm always emailing MSNBC and Rachel about every major thing they don't cover. It puts pressure on them. I send MSBNC and Rachel a lot of things. Stephanie Miller too. Rub their noses in the fact that they aren't covering the most important election in our lifetimes.
But that story from Coffee Cat was IMPORTANT. Cenk thought so too.
choie
(4,111 posts)One Black Sheep
(458 posts)pacalo
(24,721 posts)Thank you!
Melissa G
(10,170 posts)Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)And to CoffeeCat as well!
senz
(11,945 posts)And your work, what you're doing. I don't know how to thank you enough.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)that she actually had registered as a Republican but remembered that she then changed right back a week later.
It is very unfortunate that she didn't include that piece of information when she was blinking back tears about how 58 or 64, whatever, Bernie supporters weren't seated. Are we now to assume they must all have registered Republican but changed right back? Because the same thing happened to her?
I thought the first post was highly inflammatory and questionable and its conclusions unfounded, and I don't admire spreading that kind of stuff around. Just to be on record. Bad job.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Edit: found that thread. Interesting.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511974138
Sounds like user error.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)When I initially posted, I did not think it mattered that I was a Republican for a week--four years ago.
Now, it seems to be the most important thing in the world. So yes, if I could go back, I would have included that information.
However, please remember that I though it was inconsequential, because it was four years ago. I assumed that I was and had been a registered Dem all of my life--except for that one week.
Furthermore--I participated in the Iowa Caucuses on Feb 1. I re-registered as a Democrat to participate in the caucuses, because I was not listed on the voter rolls. Neither were hundreds of other registered Democrats who were somehow left off of the rolls. I was a volunteering checking people in and about half of the registered Democrats who showed to caucus were not on the official list. Just like me, they had to re-register as a Dem to participate. It never occurred to me that I was still a Republican. Never!
What's crazy...is that I changed from an R to a D, four years ago--and there is no record of that. And I registered as a Dem on Feb 1st at the Iowa Caucus. No record of that either.
YET--I participated as a Bernie delegate at the County Convention on March 12. My credentials were re-checked after the Hillary people contested all Bernie delegate credentials. We each had to go through, one by one, and get our credentials re-checked by Hillary supporters. I passed. Am I crazy for assuming that I was a registered Dem at the time?
So, getting the call in late April that I was a registered Republican, was jarring.
None of this makes any sense, whatsoever.
But yes, if I had to write that initial post again, I would include the info about being a Republican for a week, four years ago. I didn't know that it was important until I called the auditor's office TODAY and was told that my registration never got switched from R to D four years ago and that there was no record of me registering as a Dem at our Feb 1 Caucus.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)My memory is absolutely terrible and if it didn't matter back then and I were focused on what was happening right now...?
That you did once change registration is of course very pertinent to this situation, though, and you did bring it into the discussion.
As I said, btw, my own assumption on reading your first post was that there was far too little information to make any assumptions at all about what had happened in Nevada, much less such serious ones.
If one were going to speculate based on things that have happened in other places at other times, I would be remembering all the documented Republican voter registration tamperings, in which many people in certain regions and precincts, but especially Democrats, disappeared from voting rolls or were officially removed by the many thousands for bogus reasons.
Btw, let's change the law and its application to make election tampering, from the top to the lowest volunteer, a very serious crime with truly prohibitive penalties. That Nevada party committee member who gave the Clinton delegate names and email addresses to the opposition group, for instance, should be prosecuted, not just fired from her committee. But better yet she should have been too afraid of the consequences to even consider it.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)LisaL
(44,973 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)RepubliCON-Watch
(559 posts)No objection to anything can be such a letdown towards their credibility.
senz
(11,945 posts)Coffee Cat, wherever you are, I'm so glad you posted that. Living proof of how they're stealing our democracy.
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)yellerpup
(12,253 posts)You are telling us what we NEED to know. Great account from the front lines.
PufPuf23
(8,776 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)Sorry, that your second OP got you so much
grief, but then that had to be expected.
HRC supporters never miss a chance to pick
on irrelevant points.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Either negligently ignoring or updating her changes or deliberately rolling her affiliation back or simply purging.
I say gross because there is extensive history of this sort of activity. It should really be criminal.
I believe Coffercat's word over a compromised and corrupt political party any damn day.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)re-register as a Democrat a week after registering as a Republican.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)as fact.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)There needs to be accountability.
felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)I've seen how involved you've been for a long time and am glad to see your story given the discussion it deserves.
onecaliberal
(32,861 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)That's what the poster very commendably wrote here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1974138
I don't suppose Mr Uyger read that too?
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Yes, I posted my original post, and at the time I erroneously thought it was inconsequential that I had been a Republican, for one frickin week! Four years ago!!
Do you understand that I participated in the Iowa Caucus on Feb 1? I re-registered as a Democrat that night because I was not listed on the voter rolls. Hundreds of registered Democrats were not listed. I NEVER though I was a registered Republican. I thought I was omitted, like hundreds of others that I helped check in.
Do you also understand that I was a delegate for Bernie on March 12? And that at that Convention I checked in and was approved as a Democratic Bernie delegate. I then had to go through a special credential check--like the one that happened in NV. The Hillary people ordered this check of all 500+ Bernie delegates. We had to go through, one at a time and have our credentials checked. I passed. I assumed that I was a Democrat at this time, on March 12!
So, when I get the call in late April, and I'm told that I'm a registered Republican--it's a bit disconcerting. I admit it. I immediately thought foul play. I was told, by a Bernie staffer, that my credentials could be questioned if I showed up as a registered Republican. So, the next day I drove to the auditors office, switched to D, communicated to the Sanders campaign that I switched to D, took a picture of the switch form on my phone--and brought copies of the paperwork to the Apr 30 District Convention where I participated as a Bernie delegate.
I realize that many Hillary supporters are dissecting everything I say and suggesting that I'm a liar. Many are saying I have no credibility because I was once a registered Republican. I even had someone suggest that I'm making ALL of this up. Ummmm...no.
I am trying to be honest. I'm not perfect. I even got the date of District Convention wrong, and that was used to suggest that I'm lying. I'm doing my best!
And I hope that Mr. Uyger does read the additional information. Maybe he can explain it to me! I've linked my original post to the new one that I posted today--after I spoke with the auditor's office.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)In your own words:
4. I will be doing this!
I have been a lifelong Democrat, and I am very progressive. I am going to switch
my registration to Republican, in order to caucus for Ron Paul.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=92913
And you wrote here that were still a registered Republican in Oct 2012, ten months later:
8. Yes, I am a registered Republican...
Prior to a year ago, I had been a registered Dem my entire life.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021456173#post8
How could you have forgotten that?
LisaL
(44,973 posts)Which is what her registration records showed (according to her). Since registering Republican, she remained Republican for years.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)This is what I just explained in another thread...
When I called the auditor's office and discovered that I was never switched back from an R to a D, I was completely gobsmacked. I tried to recall when I switched my registration. This was four years ago. I knew that I had switched it right after an election. I asked my husband and he said he didn't remember when I switched. But we both knew I did. I knew it had been after an election and I assumed that the election I was remembering was the Republican caucus. I deduced that I switched a week later.
Obviously, that is not true. I see that. Again, this was four years ago, and I most likely switched shortly after the Romney/Obama GE, which was several months later. I am sorry that I got this wrong. I am doing my best to piece together all of this. As I said, when I called the auditor's office, I couldn't believe what she was telling me--that there was no record of me switching. It added another layer to this. I know that I did physically go to the auditor's office and switch.
It is fact though, that I did re-register as a Democrat, for the Iowa Caucus on Feb 1. I was not on the voter rolls. Hundreds of registered Democrats weren't on the rolls. I assumed that I was one of many who were simply left off the lists. So I did re-register as a Democrat on Feb 1. The auditor said she has no paperwork and no record of me switching on Feb 1.
It is also fact that I participated as a Bernie delegate at our County Convention on March 12. I picked up my credentials, checked in, in the morning and I assumed I was a registered Dem then. Then, in the afternoon all Bernie delegate credentials were re-checked with a fine tooth comb, because the Hillary people insisted on a one-on-one credential check. I passed this credential check.
Then, I find out in late April, after a call from a Bernie Sanders staffer in Iowa--that I was a registered Republican. This is fact. This is what happened.
Yes, I most likely misremembered when I switched back from R to D. I am doing my best. I made an incorrect deduction--based on my initial gut feeling that I knew I switched back after an election. This was four years ago. I'm reading my past DU posts and I didn't even remember that Michelle Bachman was in this, but I commented on her being one of the reasons that I participated.
My husband and I initially wanted to participate to see what it was like. We researched the candidates. I liked Paul's anti-neocon rhetoric and I thought I might support him. We both ended up voting for Huntsman.
This is what I know. I have tried to recall everything as best I can. I may have misremembered when I switched back---but that does not change the fact that I participated in the Feb 1 caucus and re-registered as a Dem (and there is no record of that), and that I participated as a Bernie delegate on March 12 as a Democrat and passed a credential check.
Some people are having a lot of fun with this. I am more than happy to answer questions. This is not some made up story. Do I know exactly what happened? I don't. I am still trying to figure this out.
senz
(11,945 posts)How can you do something like this?
Just because your candidate is floundering doesn't mean you have give up basic standards. It's not worth it, ucrdem.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)8. Yes, I am a registered Republican...
Prior to a year ago, I had been a registered Dem my entire life.
However, I switched my registration to Republican during Iowa Republican primary caucus. I wanted to participate, and the only way you can participate in the Republican caucus is by being a registered Republican.
I was extremely concerned about the extremists that were running this year. Michelle Bachman had won the Iowa straw poll and Rick Santorum was leading in the polls.
I felt that I had to do my part. So I caucused for one of the other, more reasonable Republicans--who ended up losing, by the way.
I just haven't switched my registration back yet. I am a Dem through and through--and have been all of my life.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021456173#post8
The 2012 Iowa caucus was on Tuesday, January 3, 2012. Jan 3- Oct 3 2012 = 10 months, and possibly longer, as the poster hadn't switched back as of this post.
senz
(11,945 posts)I don't understand why you want to do this.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)The OP's claim that she was only registered Repub for a week is untrue.
The OP's claim that she went to the registration office immediately after the caucus is untrue.
The OP's claim in her prior post that she has no idea how she could be registered as a Repub is untrue.
Why should we believe any of the rest of what she says?
Personally, I would never register as a Republican for ANY reason. I would certainly not register as a Republican to ratfuck them in their caucus, because I don't believe in that from either side.
Most importantly, I would not make a big song and dance on DU about how I am representative of Bernie voters being disenfranchised NATIONWIDE and I've shed a tear for their honor as voters when my own story is held together with duct tape and string.
Damn.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)It's a free country after all. But clearly her recollection of switching back a week later to being a Democrat was wrong. She wasn't just registered as a Republican for a week, that much is clear. Yet the original story (where she didn't even admit she registered as a Republican) is making rounds as if true and accurate.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)She might have attempted to re-register as a Democrat, but wasn't successful.
Also, despite her current recollection, it sure doesn't appear that she re-registered as a Democrat a week after registering as a Republican.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)that there is a person involved here and I am doing my best to piece together a very confusing puzzle--that I may never be able to piece together. I just learned yesterday, from the auditor's office that there is no record of me switching back ever. Even though I did.
I understand that I got the timeframe wrong about when I switched back from R to D.
However, that does not change the fact that I was notified in late April that I was an R. But on March 12, I was a Bernie delegate at our County Convention and I passed a credential check there.
I also re-registered as a Democrat at our Iowa Caucuses. There is also no record of me doing that with the auditor's office.
My husband did the same thing at the Democratic Caucus on Feb 1. He registered as a Dem and the auditor's office has no record of him doing that, either.
I re-registered at our caucus because my name was not on the voter list. There were hundreds of registered Dems--or people who said they were registered Dems--who were not on that official voter list. I assumed that I was a registered Dem then, and was like the many others who showed up to find that they were not on the rolls. I never imagined that when I switched back from R to D, that the auditor never had a record of it.
I only learned that yesterday.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)the Dem, so in essence, me.
If it did not have ramifications for all of us, "doing your best" would be perfectly fine. It made it onto national news, without verification and facts.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)So after registering as a republican, she didn't switch back a week later.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)when I went to the auditor's office to switch back from R to D. I did not intentionally lie. I am trying to recall what could have possibly happened as best I can.
It stuck out in my memory that I had switched back immediately after an election and I assumed it was immediately after the Republican caucus. That was wrong.
However, I did re-register as a Democrat at our Feb 1 Democratic caucus. There is no record of that either. Just as there is no record of me switching from R to D.
I also attended our County Convention as a Bernie delegate and I had to have been a registered Dem at that point. As I've repeatedly mentioned, I passed a credentials check at this Convention on March 12.
So--when I got the call that I was a registered Republican at the end of April--it was alarming.
Even more alarming was yesterday when I called our auditors office to be told: 1.) There was no record of me switching from R to D and that there was no record of me registering for the Iowa Caucus on Feb 1. I tried to sort all of that our and recollect as best I could when I switched back. Obviously, I got that very wrong! But I know I physically went down there and did it. I also know that I registered as a Dem and participated in our Feb 1 Democratic caucuses. I caucused for Bernie, was a precinct captain for him and gave a speech at the caucus.
I am doing my best to piece together this very bizarre situation--and I am sharing what the auditor told me as I learn it. I will share any other information as I learn that as well.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)they are accusing Clinton of stealing votes thru your one story you do not remember correctly?
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Cenk should have checked this out first.
Smh.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)betsuni
(25,531 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)I did get the timeframe wrong regarding when I switched back from R to D.
However, there are facts:
I did re-register as a Democrat on Feb 1st because I was not listed on the voter rolls in our caucus. Neither was my husband and many other registered Dems. So, I completed that paperwork and should have officially been a Democrat.
I also participated in the my County Convention as a Democrat on March 12. I checked in with no problems after showing my ID, being looked up on the list, and then they gave me my credential packet. I also passed a special credential check at the convention, because the Hillary people challenged our credentials.
So--there were many reasons to assume that I was a Democrat. I was shocked near the end of April when I got the call telling me that I was a Republican. I immediately switched my registration the next day!
When I called the auditor yesterday--to find out that I had never been switched from R to D--and also that they had no record of me being a Democrat at the Feb 1st caucus.
I stand by all of this and I also take responsibility for the fact that I was way off on the timeframe of when I switched my registration. But that stupid mistake does not negate everything that has happened from the time I discovered that I was a registered R--then attempted to correct the situation and tried to make some sense out of what happened.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)should call into question flipping, and voter error, which it has consistently been when looked into so the odds are just much more in favor of it. To be transparent, you know, integrity when accusing a candidate of theft and flipping, there should certainly be full closure, ya think?
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)You were registered as a Republican for years, you participated in their caucus, and you're upset that someone challenged your statement that you are a Democrat? Oh please, get over yourself. Play by the rules, don't say you're a victim when you're held to them. The campaign is lucky you couldn't be a delegate for them since you can't seem to follow pretty simple rules.
pa28
(6,145 posts)What coffee cat wrote should be known and we should all be thinking about the implications.