Charles Pierce has something to say to Sanders supporters after the Nevada debacle ...

[salinsky]

The latest chapter came at this weekend's Democratic state convention in Nevada, where the Sanders faction went completely bananas because the rules by which you had to be a Democrat to participate in a Democratic convention were simply too much for them to bear. Senator Barbara Boxer got booed. Punches and chairs were thrown.

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First of all, who elects anybody with a system that apparently was designed at a marmoset technical college? This sounds like something Kim Jong-Il would have thought up on the golf course between his 11th and 12th holes-in-one.

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That being said, this whole mess was over four freaking delegates, and the Sanders people should know better than to conclude what has been a brilliant and important campaign by turning it into an extended temper tantrum.

I voted for Bernie Sanders. I even wrote about why I did here at this very shebeen. But if anybody thinks that, somehow, he is having the nomination "stolen" from him, they are idiots.

And, no, I don't want to talk about it.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a44904/nevada-democratic-convention/

Ouch.

[underthematrix]

1. When you're motivated by anger, it's sometimes hard to participate

in the process in a civil manner. i will be so glad when the primaries are over. It's just been really ugly.

[bigtree]

2. "no, I don't want to talk about it."

...it's getting that way with me. In a couple of weeks, these folks still looking for a political fight with our party and nominee won't get much more than the back of my hand.

[JonLeibowitz]

5. Hello Wendell Pierce!

P.S. By the way, "these folks" are members of the party.

[NurseJackie]

13. They are?

So those "unregistering" as dems or refusing to register as dems are members of the party? Are they included too?

[Sheepshank]

21. These folks have been very vocal about changing their party ID to "I" after the Primaries

so no, I already don't consider them members of the Democratic Party.

[salinsky]

22. No ... many of the most vocal ones are far from it ... nt

[Human101948]

3. Which Charles Pierce is that?

[JonLeibowitz]

4. David Axelrod made a good point on a recent podcast

He said that the 2000 election fiasco really legitimized our elections in voters' eyes, and all are suspected of cheating. He very much thought this is a bad thing. In the case of Nevada, I do tend to believe it is bad sportsmanship. At the same time, reading CoffeeCat's posts I realize there may have been some funny business going on with the credentialing of delegates, as occurred in Nevada.

Pierce is right though, it isn't worth having a riot over. However, if it doesn't change the outcome, why steal delegates from Sanders? I have my theories, relating to recent reports that Clinton has far more allies who want to attend the PHL convention than she has delegate slots.

[KittyWampus]

9. reading coffeecat's threads means you're reading stuff from someone heavily invested

in pretending there was 'funny business' going on.

Any time Clinton wins there's 'funny business' going on.

Sanders, his campaign, his surrogates and his supporters have lost any credibility they ever had.

[JonLeibowitz]

10. I read everything skeptically. Yes, that includes both her posts and your ad hominems.

Your concern will be given the consideration it deserves.

[msongs]

19. yes it is so peculiar that when sanders wins suddenly all that cheating stuff just never heppens nt

[NuclearDem]

6. I would it be safe to say that Charlie Pierce is no longer feeling the Bern.

[MariaThinks]

7. i stopped feeling the bern when i got to read comments from bernie supporters that

were essentially republican talking points.

[Human101948]

14. While Hillary is essentially a Republican...

How can she help it? Look at how far to the right Bill pushed the Democrats.

There Is a Moderate Republican in This Race, But She’s Running as a Democrat

Hillary Clinton’s stances, while fluid during this election cycle, are historically most in tune with classical Republican ideas, as advocated by Dwight Eisenhower, Richard Nixon, and others. As a young woman, she volunteered for the conservative Barry Goldwater, and while today she’s become liberal on some social issues, she’s generally at home with moderate conservative ideas, such as a hawkish military, strict immigration laws, reduced welfare, laissez-faire rules for Wall Street, and international business treaties that favor large corporations. One group started a petition this year asking Clinton to run as a Republican, suggesting that while she is “liberal on some issues, on a wide range of important issues she lands squarely as a moderate conservative.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tony-brasunas/there-is-a-moderate-republican-in-this-race_b_9704194.html

[salinsky]

20. Me too ...

... when I joined DU, I was absolutely appalled that the Sanders supporters were using the same sources and talking points as the freeper sites.

[KittyWampus]

8. "brilliant and important campaign"? Parroting a few empty slogans is brilliant?

Failing to answer basic questions about your key issues to an editorial board is brilliant?

[YouDig]

11. Bernie's starting to lose supporters over the unbelievably crass behaviour of his

loudest and most obnoxious fans. He needs to get a handle on things. He created this monster, it's his responsiblity to control it.

[Human101948]

15. I find it encouraging that the monster is frightening you...

Be very fearful!

[YouDig]

17. Yeah I don't want to lose to Trump. I don't know why you find the thought of a Trump

victory encouraging. The only thing that these Bernie supporters can accomplish is helping Trump win.

[Human101948]

18. The Mighty Morphin Hillary will slay the MegaTrump...

and feast upon his innards.

[salinsky]

23. More obnoxious than frightening ... nt

[pangaia]

26. The DNC, and 3rd wayers, neo-libs, those are the real monsters...

[itsrobert]

12. That sums it up.

[mcar]

16. Pierce is a great writer

And no supporter of HRC.

[On the Road]

24. _

Charles Pierce has something to say to Sanders supporters after the Nevada debacle ...

That is interesting, because Charles Sanders Peirce had this to say about the political process:

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[salinsky]

25. Trump humper?? ... nt

[On the Road]

28. I Was Just Looking for a Charles Sanders Peirce Quote

since I thought it was odd that the posted article was written by Charles Pierce (no relation) and concerned Sanders supporters.

[highprincipleswork]

27. Oh yeah, like Roberts Rules of Order need to be thrown out for Democratic Party Gestapo Rules.

Fuck that idea and the horse it rode in on.