The Bill Clinton doodles. If they didn't come from the Clinton's hacked server then where?

[NWCorona]

I've gotten some pushback from stating that it's my opinion these images released from Guccifer are in fact from Clinton’s private server.

Some have said that they are from the Clinton library but that was because nobody new of Hillary's unique email arrangement at the time. Here's the original link

http://gawker.com/new-hacked-presidential-art-may-be-bill-clintons-white-1476802573


We need to remember Bill's server was updated by Brian Pagliano for Hillary to use so it's very possible that Bill's data was still present on the drives.

So if it wasn't Hillary's server then where did the images come from?

[4139]

1. The Clinton Library... I've saw in the pAst references to that but

I could not find where the Clinton Library said it was hacked and in fact those images came from the library.

[Reiyuki]

5. I wonder which server had better security?

If the Clinton Library suite was running a modern relatively secure suite and still got hacked....

[Fawke Em]

43. Every server can be hacked.

That's just a fact of life now days.

It's just that some have better security software, better security protocols and better physical security than others. For example, our national defense secrets are kept on SIPRnet or JWICS. Both of these are closed-loop systems that cannot be emailed into or out of. They don't face the public in any way and you have to be in a SCIF (a metal plated office, essentially) to access them. There is also a team of well-trained professionals monitoring them 24/7.

But other government, like the OPM, which was hacked, for example, have servers that face the public, can be emailed into and out of and don't have the high-level of security SIPRnet and JWICS do. Obviously, most government offices need to be accessible to the public and they have more employees with access, so they're more susceptible to phishing attacks, for example.

Still, the OPM was better protected than the Clinton server, which was unencrypted for the first months of its use, didn't need a dual-authentication VPN in order to access it (it could be accessed directly from the Internet) and didn't have an IT security team monitoring it.

[AgerolanAmerican]

54. And guess who we have to thank for that?

The NSA, which undermined every security product it could possibly get its hands on.

[NWCorona]

9. It's definitely possible but then that's another hack to add to the list

And that just means that it's more than likely that he did get into Hillary's server.

Like I said before the library was brought up because nobody knew of Hillary's server at the time.

[Fawke Em]

41. Actually, an archivist with the library said they didn't have any.

But the Clinton Foundation -- the only people the authors could consult at the time of publication because the Clinton Presidential Library wasn't open yet.

Even more mysterious, our request to the William Clinton Foundation for doodles (we appealed directly to the foundation because the Clinton Presidential Library did not open to the public until 2006) was turned down by Clinton’s press office.

According to an archives technician at the Clinton Presidential Library, "We currently have no doodles on display and there are no plans for a future exhibit in the works. As far as I know there are no doodles in our open files at this time."

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/archive/Clintonian-Doodles-Need-Public-Airing.html

[4139]

61. Look close at the verbiage... Not on "display" doesn't mean they don't have them.

It like part of the email thing: team chi ton says they used 'key word search' to determine which emails were personal and which were government.... That doesn't mean they did my also have staff also eyeballing the emails after keyword search was done.

[MineralMan]

2. Why would they be on the private server?

Probably from some other source, unless evidence is presented that they came from that server.

[NWCorona]

11. Because Hillary's server started out as Bill's.

[BootinUp]

13. Because that would help Bernie. nt

[bettyellen]

19. Because everyone scans their doodles and emails them, yup. So normal and plausible....

So fucking pointless.

[grasswire]

29. the doodles are on documents

Bill Clinton is well known for doodling on official papers that might be in front of him. In a meeting, on the phone.....he doodles.

[bettyellen]

31. most of those are not documents, LOL. they are scrap papers. to think they'd be scanned.....

Nope. there were already unmarked copies of this documents on whatever servers the people produced them used. these are not them. these could be plucked out of the garbage for all we know- that is much more likely than someone scanning meaningless scrap paper.

[Fawke Em]

45. Do Hillary supporters ever read?

A. Most of them are in the margins of official documents, so they would be scanned.
B. It's a cottage industry. Books have been written about presidential doodles. They're often saved. Apparently, a president's doodle is of more value than what you and I draw on notepads when we're on the phone at work.

These series of Bill's doodles (which includes the penis and the fry cook next to the acronym FRY) was on paperwork that had been marked "secret" at the time:

[bettyellen]

46. None of which means that they would be scanned into HRC's server- that claim is ludicrous.

Other people might save them- but the Clintons, on their own server- highly unlikely.

[Fawke Em]

47. Again - The server Hillary used was shared with the Clinton Foundation

and the Foundation probably saved such minutia.

May 21, 2010 to October 21, 2010: Computer records suggest Clinton's private server could be located at The Clinton Foundation's headquarters. According to publicly available computer records, the IP (Internet Protocol) address for the mail.presidentclinton.com server is 24.187.234.187 from at least 2009 to 2011. Records also show that mail.clintonemail.com server has the same exact IP address, 24.187.234.187, from at least May 21, 2010 to October 21, 2010. That means the two servers must have been in the same location for that overlapping time period. Computer records can also indicate where the IP addresses are physically located, and that IP address at that time is somewhere in the middle of Manhattan, New York City. That makes sense for presidentclinton.com, since former President Bill Clinton's offices are there, and The Clinton Foundation headquarters is also there. But that would suggest that Hillary Clinton's clintonemail.com server used for all her secretary of state work is also based in Manhattan and not Chappaqua, New York, for at least part of 2010. (DNS History, 9/7/2015) (DNS History, 9/7/2015) [https://web.archive.org/web/20150903235435/http://www.ip-tracker.org/locator/ip-lookup.php?ip=64.94.172.146 (IP Tracker, 9/3/2015)

The server was later moved to the Chappaqua home sometime between 2009 and 2013, as evidenced by where it was shipped from as it was allegedly decommissioned.

May 31, 2013: Clinton hires the Colorado-based Platte River Networks to maintain her email server. The original server is disconnected and shipped from Clinton's house in Chappaqua, New York, to a data center in New Jersey. (The Associated Press, 10/7/2015) (McClatchy Newspapers, 10/6/2015) This takes place three months after the hacker nicknamed Guccifer made public Clinton's exact email address. However, the process of choosing the company began in January 2013, prior to the Guccifer hack, suggesting the change was due to Clinton's time as secretary of state coming to an end in February 2013 instead. (The Washington Post, 9/5/2015) After moving the original server to New Jersey, Platte River moves all the data onto a new server. Then everything on the original server is deleted until it is "blank." However, it is not wiped, which means having the old files overwritten several times with new data until they can never be recovered. Platte River keeps the original server and eventually will turn it over to the FBI in August 2015. The FBI then apparently will be able to recover Clinton's emails from it. (The Washington Post, 9/12/2015)

http://thompsontimeline.com/The_Clinton_Email_Scandal_Timeline

The point is that there was a lot of intra-connectivity between the private servers and anything could end up on one or the other.

[bettyellen]

48. Any port in a storm, LOL. Keep looking for scraps of paper as oracles. That will keep you busy!

[Fawke Em]

50. Well, since I work in cyber security for a living, it's not that much of an oracle for me.

[randome]

3. Keep your fingers crossed. Someday all your fantasies will come true!

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[MineralMan]

4. Here's a link from 2013 (Gawker) about those doodles,

which they say came from the Clinton library.

http://wonkette.com/535742/an-exegesis-of-gawkers-trove-of-bill-clintons-hacked-doodles-by-a-professional-art-critic

[NCTraveler]

8. Clinton just used her magic to create that link. You have done nothing to change my opinion.

It's my opinion and I own it. How arrogant of you. You just don't get the power of the establishment. I hope you get it one day. I hope you really get it good.

I'M ON THE SIDE OF LUCIF.... GUCCIFER!!!!!!!!!!

[4139]

10. But gawker does not source how they determined it was from the library

[MineralMan]

15. I believe that that was named as the source by someone.

Makes sense. The Library contains all of Bill Clinton's papers. There would be no earthly reason for those scanned documents to be on Hillary's State Department server. Perhaps Guccifer hacked into the Clinton Library computer, as said in the Gawker article.

I have no way of verifying any of that, but I can't see any reason for those doodles or the documents they were on being on Hillary's State Department server. Can you?

[4139]

18. It was not a State Dept server, it was Bill Clinton server from his 'ex-presidents' office

[NWCorona]

24. Even tho I stand behind my post your point isn't without merit.

My only issue is if he did actually hack the library, can he still be dismissed as a nobody? That would add to the list of confirmed hacks.

[NWCorona]

12. Was Hillary's server known at that time?

[Fawke Em]

49. More info has come out since then.

So I created this post earlier today. After spending a few hours emailing and researching, it's clear that the Bill Clinton doodles Guccifer leaked in 2013 could never have originated from the Clinton Library as Gawker poorly attributed, it didn't even exist to store them when the files were created. Guccifer retrieved these from a folder called "wjcdrawings" almost certainly from the Clinton Foundation or wjcoffice.com

As Gawker notes, the Clinton Foundation has long resisted making these documents public, but we'll have to see if that stance changes now that some have made an abrupt appearance.

Per NBC: http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/archive/Clintonian-Doodles-Need-Public-Airing.htm

But the Clinton Foundation -- the only people the authors could consult at the time of publication because the Clinton Presidential Library wasn't open yet.

Even more mysterious, our request to the William Clinton Foundation for doodles (we appealed directly to the foundation because the Clinton Presidential Library did not open to the public until 2006) was turned down by Clinton’s press office.

According to an archives technician at the Clinton Presidential Library, "We currently have no doodles on display and there are no plans for a future exhibit in the works. As far as I know there are no doodles in our open files at this time."

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/4icy97/update_i_am_pretty_sure_bill_clintons_doodles/

[NCTraveler]

6. Really is a solid connection in wording here.

Guccifer/Your opinion they are from Clintons server.

Absolutely perfect.

Serious desperation. Clinton doodles?

Such desperation. And pinning hopes on "Guccifer".

[NWCorona]

14. I don't see you coming up with another theory?

[FSogol]

17. You mean the UDT?

The Unified Doodle Theory which CT-based political scientists hope will tie together all the theories from Whitewater to Vince Foster to Benghazi to emails all the way to Doodles.

[bettyellen]

32. This deserves it's own OP. We can see how outrageous the UDT can get.....

but I don't think we can equal the ride stuff that is out there already.

[FSogol]

33. My mind isn't tin foily enough. I'll leave it for the pros.

[NCTraveler]

21. Conspiracies are clearly your department.

I don't mean that as a shot at you. It is just something you clearly enjoy.

I wouldn't even know how to start a conspiracy as you have done here knowing full well you are punching at the sun.

[NWCorona]

23. Come on now

You can't say that you aren't taking shots at me and then say I'm fully aware that I'm punching away at the sun.

As of now I don't see you poking any holes into my claim.

[Fawke Em]

51. Above is why I call them ostriches.

They really don't understand this and really aren't attempting to try.

The accusations about the security of the server and the data flowing through it are serious charges - not some partisan committee out to "get" the Clintons.

I can understand why many have "Clinton Investigation Fatigue," but this is one case where we shouldn't.

[NWCorona]

55. Your post is on point!

[Fawke Em]

59. I'm on record on this site well before the primaries

discussing what a waste of time and money the Benghazi hearings were.

I know half the shit the Republicans come up with against the Clintons is purely political. I just don't think this case is. You don't bring in the FBI for partisan witch hunts.

[FSogol]

7. Dilemma. The night before two primaries. Should we GOTV or whine about doodles?

[font size="192"]DOODLES![/font]

[BillZBubb]

26. The doodles themselves aren't the issue. But you know that.

[FSogol]

27. I'm doodling right now.

[BillZBubb]

28. My mistake, I assumed you actually knew something.

[Fawke Em]

53. I'm not whining about them.

I'm interested in where they were archived.

[lumberjack_jeff]

16. Where does Guccifer say he got the doodles?

Does he claim to have hacked both the Clinton library as well as clintonemail.com, or just the latter?

[NWCorona]

20. As far as I know he's never claimed the library.

[lumberjack_jeff]

25. That's what I'm reading too. The Clinton library was suggested by the Clintons as a limited hangout

Unless the secret Blumenthal emails were on the library's server, this makes no sense.

[grasswire]

30. masters of the limited hangout

Clinton words must be fully parsed.

[speaktruthtopower]

22. Not bad..

[Babel_17]

34. Eventually this will get nailed down

Interesting.

[PeaceNikki]

35. Let the Doodleghazi hearings begin!!

[NWCorona]

36. I think it's funny that team Hillary brings that up more than anyone else.

[PeaceNikki]

37. Because Doodleghazi is serious.

[NWCorona]

38. Only in your mind

[PeaceNikki]

39. Right, that's why I started this thread on it!

Oh, wait...

[NWCorona]

40. I don't see anything with a ghazi in my op except for your posts.

[PeaceNikki]

42. Well, the "ghazi" suffix is specifically intended for manufactured outrage and

conspiracy theories.

So....

[NWCorona]

44. Exactly! Like I said before, this conspiracy stuff is all in your head.

[bettyellen]

52. Im talk-ing Square Biz.

Waaah, waah. I think we need to cover that song.

[PeaceNikki]

58. I'll let you do the vocals on that one. Teena Marie is tricky!!

[bettyellen]

60. And you can draw the SQUARE shape in the air while nodding like a sage....

we will show em how it is DONE.

[Fawke Em]

56. I think its funny they don't realize that its these connections the FBI is looking at.

Wonder why Clinton supporters think Guccifer was extradited at this time as opposed to three years ago when he was first charged?

[NWCorona]

57. Or the fact that he was extradited mid-sentence (super unusual) and only for 18 months

[silvershadow]

62. bookmarking for later. nt

[Warren DeMontague]

63. I kind of like them.

I mean, he doesn't have the raw artistic ability of a Dubya, but he's having fun.

The UN guy with the frying pan is my favorite.

[NWCorona]

64. The guy with the penis was weird but I kinda agree with you.