There appears to be a small group of Sanders supporters that doesn't care.

[MineralMan]

They know they aren't going to win, so they're doing everything they can to poison the election. They aren't worried about superdelegates, because they know they've lost them already. They don't care about progressive Senators like Barbara Boxer, so they feel free to call her a "bitch" and shout her down.

They're no longer trying to make Bernie Sanders the nominee. They recognize the futility of that. That small group has switched tactics to a far more destructive approach.

It's very sad. I hope that they aren't successful with that tactic. The prospect of Republicans in charge of all three branches of federal government with Donald Trump in the White House is too horrible to contemplate.

A small group of Sanders supporters is trying to poison the well, burn the village and retreat into the hills to snipe from cover. We need to recognize that when we see it. We saw a bit of it in Nevada. We'll see more.

Note: A version of this was posted by me as a reply in another thread.

This is my opinion. Thanks for reading it.

[Faux pas]

1. ...

and bull crap.

[riversedge]

11. Careful. It might come back up your nose.

[Baobab]

20. Six years of FastTrack and trade deals LAST FOREVER- thats not honest politics, thats a trick-

Please read the links in my .sig and let me know you have any what you think of the problem described there.

We need "carve outs" to be explicitly put into all deals that explicitly establish and immortalize forever policy space for all public services- meaning healthcare insurance, healthcare, public higher and K-12 education, water and also the right to regulate must ALSO be preserved for drug pricing and net connectivity/communication. Policy space - the right to regulate needs to be protected- Otherwise they are stealing democracy.

No deals should be able to take away our rights to healthcare and education forever, like has been attempted.

And no services liberalisations when they pit the poor countries' skilled workers against the embattled US middle class in competition for the same jobs!

[Faux pas]

29. Thanks!

[dchill]

32. +1,000,001

[840high]

59. .that^

[RKP5637]

2. If Trump wins, we seriously will not recognize the landscape of the US

in coming years (months?). I like Bernie, but I will not contribute to Trump winning.

[Agnosticsherbet]

14. That is because he will cover it with faux marble and gold Lamé

after installing pro-life justices in the Supreme Court.

I would not vote for Trump if I were dead.

[RKP5637]

26. It's truly a frightening prospect, Trump in the WH. FFS, I feel like I'm in some horrific

Twilight Zone episode.

[Agnosticsherbet]

30. me to.

[Baobab]

46. Then do you agree with me that we all need carve outs, we cannot leave this up to politicians

and their revolving door plan?

Carve outs in all trade deals and maybe even in the Constitution- to preserve democratic policy space-

read the first two links in my sig for descriptions of the why and what of carve outs - there are examples in them-

the third link is worth reading too.

[RKP5637]

55. Thanks! Can't read them right now, but definitely will!!! n/t

[Matt_in_STL]

3. I await your thread on Hillary supporters committing actual assault against women.

I know it doesn't have the salaciousness of ass-grabbing but I am sure you can pull it off. I have total faith in you.

[MineralMan]

7. I already replied in another thread about that.

I said that the man should have been arrested. He committed an assault. He was arrested. Here's the link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1966859

[Matt_in_STL]

10. So it was important to start a thread about name calling and shitting on Sanders supporters

But not to acknowledge at the same time that Hillary supporters can be just as shitty to people? Cool.

[MineralMan]

48. Choices. We all make them.

[Baobab]

60. Hillary has been hiding the fact they gave away our right to have affordable healthcare and educatio

Thats in links 1 and 4 below in my sig- what else aren't they telling us?

[LexVegas]

4. Bernie will fall in line before the convention, as will most of his supporters. nt

[onehandle]

5. I'm starting to feel bad for Senator Sanders.

He knows he needs to concede, but he has to take these small numbers of hotheads into account.

[CrowCityDem]

6. They're actually Hillary haters. Bernie was just a conduit.

[auntpurl]

12. That is true, for some.

The others are probably more apolitical than anything - disaffected thugs.

[Raster]

52. Oh and just wait until this formally moves to the national stage...

...the United States will be divided in Hillary Haters and Not Hillary Haters.

And that preferred Clinton strategy of "not as offensive as Trump" will be turned right around to "not Hillary Clinton."

And then DU will be freshly charged with many new voices and *paying members* railing against the tRump Presidency.

[BootinUp]

8. Then there is the larger group still getting over the disappointment

that he doesn't have a path, but eventually they will. Just a matter of time. The burn the village antics will speed up the process.

[auntpurl]

17. "The burn the village antics will speed up the process"

I agree. I already saw a thread today with a Bernie supporter saying he/she was embarrassed to be associated with these sorts of thugs.

[azurnoir]

9. I think you may need one of these to keep going

because this poor little fellow is looking stressed and tired after the abuse he's taken during this election cycle

[MineralMan]

15. I'm having no problems keeping going.

That is one sad looking donkey, though. I hope it has gotten some help.

[azurnoir]

19. well you don't however ...........

[Prism]

13. If you ever advocated for liberalism

I might die of actual shock.

Carry on with your never ending, "Look At Me!" concern about liberals in the Democratic Party, though.

What is this, ten years of this shit now? Where a former freeper explains how liberals are always wrong and terrible and bad?

Lord. Do you ever get tired of you? I do.

[MineralMan]

18. You respond with a personal insult?

Really? OK, then...

[Prism]

21. Your OP is a personal insult

Half your posting history is thinly-disguised personal insults.

What, like you're wearing a top hat and twirling around a cane? All you do is shit stir. Have since the day you arrived, fresh off your gays are pedophiles internet tour.

When I'm retired, I hope I've hobbies and friends enough to not resort to these lame ass pleas for negative attention.

Hey, MM. I'm looking at you! Happy? Yeah, you are.

Wait. Got a text. Not looking at you anymore. Maybe post something else?

[B Calm]

42. +1 Exactly

[Yavin4]

16. Truth is, they don't care about anyone else except themselves

We saw first hand what an incompetent presidency looks like under Bush II. 9/11, the Iraq War, Katrina, and the financial collapse. And Bush was far more qualified to be president than Trump. Hell, Sarah Palin is more qualified to be president than Trump.

But they don't care about anyone else, just what's important to them. Like "free" college or "free" healthcare.

[Aerows]

33. I voted for Gore in Florida in 2000.

I watched that election get stolen, and that entire production ushered in a presidency that was arguably the most disastrous of the entire century preceding it.

I don't want to hear about who doesn't care, when I have watched people on this very board mock, belittle and outright giggle as the voter suppression, electoral fraud and disenfranchisement that has gone on during this primary. Nevada was the last straw.

Don't you dare tell me who "doesn't care" when November comes and more than the Presidency is at stake. State and local elections will be taking place then, too.

I am absolutely stunned at Democrats that "don't care" that fellow voters are having their rights taken away.

[nadinbrzezinski]

58. You mean like the tens of thousand of conservadems?

Funny we agree. They were Bush Democrats

[AgerolanAmerican]

22. Seems to me it's the other way around

It's Clinton supporters that don't care that their actions are going to elect Donald Trump.

They don't care about widespread election fraud.

They don't care about the money-laundering and buyouts of state parties through the Hillary Victory Fund.

They don't care about the DNC rigging the game every step of the way.

They don't care about superdelegates being an explicitly anti-democratic institution that has no place in the party.

They don't care about having an election about real issues; endless rehashing of 25+ years of Clinton scandals in lieu of having public debate on the serious issues of the present day is just fine by them.

They don't care about the serious risk of an FBI indictment recommendation and all the consequences thereof.

They don't care about the survival issues that so many in this country face today - outrageously expensive housing and dead wages being two of the big ones.

And perhaps worst of all, they don't care that they support a candidate who has made no secret that she will promote corporatism and war every bit as stridently as the worst Republican.


So don't give us this blackmail bull. If we end up with a disaster it will be 100% without any reservation the fault of Hillary Clinton and those who adhere to her.

[tokenlib]

61. They won't listen.until the party shrinks more..

,..and that 29% of registered voters once you deduct the Bernie surge is going to be even smaller with Hillary. They still think everyone will fall in line as always...

[NCTraveler]

23. It appears? More like crystal clear.

When you have people claiming to be progressive making the argument that landowners votes should count as more........

[Aerows]

24. MineralMan

As a precinct chair, if you *aren't* pissed off by all of the voting irregularities, running out of ballots, a 4+ million county reduced to 60 polling places, and everything that went on in Nevada Saturday, perhaps you should relinquish your chair to someone that respects the voting process.

The wailing and gnashing of the teeth in November of how Republicans stole the vote is going to be epicly sad, because there is a lot more at stake that just the Presidency. There are state and local elections that are just as important, if not more so, that will be affected by stolen votes, as well.

Before you examine the mote in a handful of Bernie supporters' eye, take the damn log out of your own. I'm absolutely fucking aghast that after 2000, there are DEMOCRATS that think it is funny enough to TEASE other Democrats that are stunned by fellow voters that their votes don't count.

After 2000 brought us Bush, and now suddenly it's absolutely hilarious to smirk because voters have been suppressed, disenfranchised and outright robbed of their right to vote? Give me a fucking break. You of ALL people as a precinct chair should give a damn about this.

[MineralMan]

27. Our MN precinct caucus went just fine. Bernie won it 37 to 21.

It was orderly, friendly, and proceeded perfectly smoothly. There were no disruptions or even arguments. We did run out of printed ballots, but we have a procedure for that and everyone got to vote who was there to vote. I went to our district convention as a delegate, too. That also went fine, and was uneventful. The Minnesota delegation to the convention will be strongly for Bernie Sanders. I don't live in Nevada, and have nothing to do with their process.

So, I'm not sure what you're talking about, really. I have no plans to stop chairing my precinct. My term will be up in 2020, and I plan to not run for chair again, due to the fact that I'll be 74 years old and want to quit doing that.

[jamese777]

25. Don't worry

in every election the most dedicated supporters of candidates who don't win have to go through the stages of grief and loss and the first two stages are denial and anger before people eventually get to the point of acceptance.
Hillary Clinton's supporters went through that process in 2008. Yes, there were some disgruntled Clinton supporters who voted for John McCain and Sarah Palin, but Barack Obama still won by ten million votes.
Donald Trump's $4.6 billion net worth and how he acquired it is the antithesis of everything that Bernie's supporters stand for.

[MineralMan]

31. I'm not worried about most Sanders supporters.

Just that small group, really. That delegate who called Barbara Boxer a "bitch" is one of those. I do worry about folks like him.

[jamese777]

41. There is such a small group

in every election known to man (and woman!). Don't sweat the small stuff!

The vast majority of Bernie Sanders supporters are wonderful, dedicated, caring individuals who want ths nation to be a better, more fair place.

[whatchamacallit]

28. That 'don't' care

You're welcome.

[MineralMan]

35. 'Group' is a collective noun that takes the singular

form of the verb. Sorry, but your correction is incorrect. Thanks for trying, though.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

43. "Doesn't" is correct because it goes with the singular noun "group."

That's about the only correct thing in the OP, but I have to stick up for correct grammar wherever it appears.

[whatchamacallit]

45. Fine, but it still reads like shit IMO

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

50. The problem lies more with the content than the grammar, IMO.

[libdem4life]

34. Why don't we do something intelligent and put up a candidate that can

actually beat Trump? Bernie's baggage likely could fit on a baggage cart. OTOH, the other's requires a railroad baggage car.

I know, let's snatch victory from the jaws of defeat and run the least favorable War Hawk instead of the one who can truly beat Trump.

Sorry, but I'm closer to a FDR Democrat than what now passes for a Democrat. They may have taken over the Party, but the GE, not so much.

And this Poppycock about it being Bernie's fault and that it's silly to give a good slice of the Country a say/vote Prior to the Conventions is beyond me. This is not democratic.

"Hey, yall might as well just stay home...she's already got what she needs." is very sad.

[dchill]

36. Batshit distraction.

Not even a nice try.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

37. Your estimation of the effect of a "small group" on DU effecting the outcome of the election

is....laughable.

As is your "poison the well", "burn the village", "retreat to the hills" and "snipe from cover" more than a little turgid and laughable.

Get a grip.

[MineralMan]

49. Not a small group on DU. A small group of Sanders supporters

in general. The world is much bigger than DU. Had I meant a "small group of DUers," that is what I would have written.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

51. How do you estimate the effect such a "small group" will have on the election?

I would guess that most of the Sanders supporters who won't hold their noses live in mostly Blue states. It's very hard to imagine Sanders supporters voting for Trump no matter where they live. So, how would that work?

Though, undoubtedly, we will get the blame if Hillary can't attract enough votes to elect her.

[JEB]

38. The well was poisoned before Bernie declared his candidacy.

But you knew that.

[-none]

39. Ya got some specifics there to back up your OP?

Or just some fluffy innuendo that doesn't say anything, except you don't like Bernie Sanders? Your "facts" don't support what happened in Nevada. There was no effort to accommodate the Bernie people there. But there was an effort to disenfranchise the Bernie people there.

[Sky Masterson]

40. Its sad

That people are capable of believing the crap above.
I find it sad that a candidates superpac has to hire online goons that post porn on facebook pages to get them shut down and I find it sad that a small group of Clinton supporters continuously post flame-bait and then act like victims when they get the same crap thrown right back at them.
Has it ever crossed peoples minds that its not about NOT caring at all.
If they didn't care they wouldn't be angry.
They care too much.
Myself, I see that Clinton is a weak and flawed candidate who will most likely lose in 2016.
Others seem to believe she is a shoe in. You can't blame people who see flaws in a particular candidate to do what they must to stop the candidate before its too late. Before we have a President Trump.
Our Electorate isn't that smart and the proof being is that Bush got a second term running against a war hero.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

44. With the 3 million black people and students who wont be able to vote, miscounting of another

approximately 2 million votes in red states where the republicans control the counting, and the actions of BoB (Bernie or Bust) I am now predicting Drumpf victory.

I will work more in one week than any ten BoB combined against this happening, first by supporting Bernie then Hillary if need be, but I am predicting this now.

I want to be wrong, but I also will never not be angry at BoB and I will hold them and ONLY them accountable if this happens.

GRRRRRR

[Prism]

47. Oh my god, remember when you were hilariously racist in 2008?

I totally forgot about this nugget:

http://ec2-54-165-32-110.compute-1.amazonaws.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=18341&start=750#p401371

But please, lecture everyone here about voting from your neat perch.

[Dawgs]

53. You better hope it's small.

Because in my little world I know at least a dozen people that will definitely be staying home if Bernie is not the nominee.

[jamese777]

62. No One Is Required To Vote

The Clinton supporters who would stay home if Senator Sanders was to be the nominee and the Sanders supporters who would stay home if Hillary Clinton was to be the nominee and the "anyone but Trump" Republicans who will be staying home all cancel each other out.
Primary elections this year are drawing about 30% of the electorate. That means 70% of the people who will be voting in November will be people who are happy to simply chose between the two major party nominees. Those folks will decide the outcome of the general election.
Somewhere between an estimated 135 and 140 million Americans will actuaaly vote in November.

[phleshdef]

56. Thanks for admitting its a small group.

A lot of DUers seem to want to broadbrush.

[nadinbrzezinski]

57. Go take a look outside. Go fora walk

Read a book. Seriously, you are alienating people even further.

And yes that is my opinion too.

As to books to read "listen Liberal" and "Democracy Inc" are highly recommended.