Memo to Bernie supporters: It makes no sense to call Barbara Boxer a bitch and shout her down

[Cali_Democrat]

- Bernie is losing when it comes to total votes
- Bernie is losing when it comes to pledged delegates
- Bernie is losing when it comes to states won

What does this mean? It means Bernie will need superdelegates in order to win.

Barbara Boxer is a superdelegate. You will need people like her to support Bernie if you want him to win.

That's why it makes no sense to hurl sexist insults at her.

It's self-defeating.

[bettyellen]

1. Aside from being a sexist slur, yep. WTF people, there is no excuse.

[larkrake]

64. She is part of the problem, and tried to force people to stand still for handcuffing democracy

She needs to re-evaluate who and what she is, She had no business there in the first place and was the target of cheated folks who saw their voice silenced. So begins the revolution. I will stand with those holding pitchforks and tar/feathers. She is lucky she got out of there in one piece. Men deal with sexist slurs too, without crying about it.

[bettyellen]

71. "Men deal with sexist slurs too, without crying about it." Not at DU- they are a TOS violation.....

and if you think that shit is okay- I am glad you're on your way out the door. No excuses.

[Ferd Berfel]

107. Exactly/ And how much sense did it make for Boxer to Antagonize as many as she could

Boxer Trolling at the convention and doing what she can to enrage people.
https://www.facebook.com/seanaldenfitzgerald/videos/1734291036812104/

[whatchamacallit]

2. Lol, like there's any reason to think you could catch that fly with honey

Oh, you guys...

[Todays_Illusion]

103. Exactly, our third way Democratic were caught with money. nt

[Warren Stupidity]

3. Perhaps we should learn from Clinton supporters

and just beat people up instead of using inappropriate language.

Was that your point?

[KPN]

101. +1!

[LexVegas]

4. Bernie is losing. Quite sorely at that. nt

[larkrake]

109. lets be realistic, he isnt losing sorely, he is losing barely

[MadDAsHell]

5. "Barbara Boxer is a superdelegate. You will need people like her to support Bernie if you want...

...him to win."

I'll rewrite that: "Hillary Clinton is a toxic candidate unlikely to garner support outside of the political elites that our party is so derided for. You will need people like Bernie supporters to support her if you want her to win. That's why it makes no sense to hurl insults at them. It's self-defeating."

[Agnosticsherbet]

14. Except that a large majority of Democrats support her over Sanders.

So that she has won more pledged delegates, millions more votes, and more states.

[Agnosticsherbet]

28. In the General Election they will have a chance to vote for Clinton or Trump.

I think most of them will not vote for Trump.

[Agnosticsherbet]

35. If they vote for Trump they are bigoted, racist, sexists, just like Trump.

I doubt those people would vote for Sanders, who can not win the nomination.

[Agnosticsherbet]

41. Then Clinton will win without them. Trump can keep the bigots, racists, and sexists.

They have a good home there, and I am sure they will be happy.

[Agnosticsherbet]

44. I disagree.

[The Second Stone]

46. Please link to every poll you are referring to because the one I have seen

shows Trump ahead, but quite the opposite. Clinton defeats Trump in a landslide.

http://www.270towin.com/maps/clinton-trump-electoral-map

I understand you hate women candidates with a fiery heat of a 1000 suns, but Clinton has beaten Sanders, and will continue to stay so far ahead that victory is out of reach. She will also defeat Trump, whom she is far ahead of.

[arcane1]

48. You called black people "timid, cowardly and subservient" and now you complain about a slur?

[NuclearDem]

51. You can't be serious.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/118751285

I know that blacks have always been known for their timid, cowardly and subservient nature, but this takes black cowardice to a whole new level. Are you waiting for a pat on the head from Massa' Clinton or something? Are you so afraid of change and sticking your neck out that you're willing to cast your lot in with a woman who sees your children as animals who need to be brought to heel?

Dr Martin Luther King was never so timid and spineless. He knew that what he was doing was difficult and dangerous, but necessary. If he could see what sniveling little worms his people were being in 2016, he'd be turning in his grave. Do you really want it to be remembered for the rest of time that it was black cowardice that let us all down in 2016 and denied the country its possibly only chance to implement true change?

[NuclearDem]

54. ...

[Setsuna1972]

56. NuclearDem who wrote that BS?

I'd really like to know !

[NuclearDem]

57. Low post count wonder named Malaba.

Take a lucky guess which candidate they support.

[Starry Messenger]

63. Ah, this is where his other posts were.

He posted that hot racist mess in the AA group too.

One pathetic soul actually recced it:

[Agnosticsherbet]

67. I saw and alerted on a post by Malaba

It was pretty disgusting.

I did not realize Malabe had this discussion.

[Number23]

77. Ooo, oooh!! I know! I know!!

Take a lucky guess which candidate they support.

[azurnoir]

78. The same this former poster did?

Jezebel Jackson (45 posts)
21. She has identified herself with New York

much like Bernie has identified himself with the Democratic Party. I think it's a bad idea. Besides, so many of us will be quite happy when Bernie just plain goes away.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1970322

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=333766&sub=trans

[Number23]

79. If I had any idea what you were talking about or why you posted that to me, I'd have a different

response. Instead all I got is a for you.

[azurnoir]

80. really you were grave dancing weren't you ? you must have checked out the links too

is that why you're speechless?, I'd reckon so

[Number23]

81. Perhaps if you'd actually read my post -- which was to NUCLEARDEM, by the way -- before choosing

to respond to it for absolutely no reason, your posts to me would make a hell of a lot more sense.

Let me know if/when that happens. Or not. I'm good either way.

[azurnoir]

82. oh so sorry I talked out of turn and I suspect the post made sense but here let's repeat the info

you asked NuclearDem to guess which candidate a ppred poster supported and I asked if it was the same one this former poster did


Jezebel Jackson (45 posts)
21. She has identified herself with New York

much like Bernie has identified himself with the Democratic Party. I think it's a bad idea. Besides, so many of us will be quite happy when Bernie just plain goes away.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1970322

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=333766&sub=trans

[Number23]

83. I have no idea why you chimed in with this. Are you seriously that bored?

I have no idea who Jezebel Jackson is or why you think that I care about your obvious preoccupation with her/him.

So Jezebel got ppr'd too and you appear to be really bent out of shape about that and think that everyone else should care too. I don't. I really don't. Are we done yet?

[azurnoir]

84. why were you so concerned about the poster you cited ?

Number23 (23,695 posts)
77. Ooo, oooh!! I know! I know!!

Take a lucky guess which candidate they support.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1977552

and yes now we're done

[Number23]

85. Spend more time reading and less time trying to argue over -- literally -- absolutely nothing

and perhaps you'll be a bit less confused the next time you decide to engage in other folks' conversations.

Tip: It was NuclearDem that asked 'guess which candidate that person supported,' not me. Which is, you know, the reason I put that bit in italics. Because I was quoting someone else.

And me responding to his/her question is by no means the same as me "being so concerned" about another poster. But please don't take my attempts to mitigate your obviously deep confusion over a fairly simple post to someone else as an invitation to continue this conversation. Your admission that we're done and your wavey smiley is the smartest thing you've said this entire conversation.

[azurnoir]

86. I did read upthread to what you were replying to which is exactly why I commented

[Number23]

87. Sure you did.

[azurnoir]

88. yep I did and reached my own conclusion about why such a comment was made on this thread

which had sunk to page 2

[Number23]

89. And your own 'conclusion' was as wrong as it was unnecessary. Seems your declaration that we're

now done with this incredibly stupid and pointless conversation is as correct as your earlier 'conclusion?'

[azurnoir]

90. you seem upset but you did want to know if I was done

Number23 (23,699 posts)
83. I have no idea why you chimed in with this. Are you seriously that bored?

I have no idea who Jezebel Jackson is or why you think that I care about your obvious preoccupation with her/him.

So Jezebel got ppr'd too and you appear to be really bent out of shape about that and think that everyone else should care too. I don't. I really don't. Are we done yet?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1977594

and I am done so you get the last word

[Number23]

91. Every bit as pointless, unnecessary and weird as your other contributions to this thread

Folks that love to leap up and fight over absolutely nothing are almost as tedious as people that can't admit they misread whatever it is they're pointlessly fighting over.

[Setsuna1972]

93. Let me guess

The same fools starting a riot in Nevada this weekend !

[larkrake]

65. No, they wont vote Trump, but neither will they vote Hillary(she offers no future)

[Carolina]

112. Most will not vote for Trump

but they won't vote for HRC either! They will skip the POTUS selection, OR vote green, write-in Bernie where possible and concentrate on state and local candidates.

I will never vote for $hillary... the Third Way, Wall Street, MIC puppet

[bkkyosemite]

59. I don't agree. Too many irregularities in the states she won.

[Agnosticsherbet]

60. LOL just LOL

[bkkyosemite]

92. ....

[larkrake]

110. Her wins always have a "but", highly suspicious

[MineralMan]

6. There is a small group of Sanders supporters that doesn't care.

They know they aren't going to win, so they're doing everything they can to poison the election. They aren't worried about superdelegates, because they know they've lost them already. They don't care about progressive Senators like Barbara Boxer, so they feel free to call her a "bitch" and shout her down.

They're no longer trying to make Bernie Sanders the nominee. That small group has switched tactics to a "burn the village" approach.

It's very sad. I hope that they aren't successful with that tactic. The prospect of Republicans in charge of all three branches of federal government with Donald Trump in the White House is too horrible to contemplate.

A small group of Sanders supporters is trying to poison the well, burn the village and retreat into the hills to snipe from cover.

[asuhornets]

8. K&R....n/t

[BootinUp]

9. +1

[leftynyc]

10. They wont be successful

They're nothing but a loud but teeny minority of Democrats. When their candidate suspends his campaigns and endorses Hillary there will be whining and rending of garments but the vast majority of his voters will vote for Hillary. Just as the vast majority of Hillary voters voted for Pres Obama.

[MineralMan]

98. I'm sure you're right for the vast majority of them.

The rest?

[leftynyc]

99. I can't worry about

them. They have to live in the same country as the rest of us so I assume they'll do the right thing and make sure a Democrat is filling those court vacancies (that's my biggest issue by far).

[MineralMan]

100. Yup. We have to count on that, I think.

It usually works out OK. When it doesn't, it can be terrible, though. We got GWB that way. Uff da!

[oasis]

29. "Burn the village approach". You are correct sir.

[uponit7771]

97. +1, this very thing has been intimated to me multiple times

[KingFlorez]

7. It's not like she would support him anyway

I would imagine that she doesn't particularly care for him like most of his other Senate colleagues.

[Agnosticsherbet]

15. So what kind of relationship did they have with Sanders that would have led to that choice?

The Senate is a collegial place, where personal relationships are critical to getting things done. What happened?

[KingFlorez]

16. He seems to believe that he is right and everyone else is wrong

http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/article/2015/09/29/bernie-sanders/

“Bernie believes that he’s right, and that what he wants is for the greater good,” says Houston consultant Susan Boardman Russ, formerly the longtime chief of staff for the late Vermont Senator Jim Jeffords. “Bernie is so certain that what he represents politically is unquestionably correct, therefore everyone should agree. Not much room for compromise…it was, ‘Play in my sandbox, or get out.’”

[Agnosticsherbet]

17. That does explain it.

[Skwmom]

11. Has that been verified (calling her a b)? It is easy to add to a video and I never saw the face

of the person calling her that.

[Prism]

12. Memo to Clinton supporters: Beating up women is kind of bad

Since we're doing PSA's, I figured I'd throw this out there. Because we're both concerned about civility, yeah?

A man beating up a woman is pretty bad. And making fun of the situation is also pretty bad.

It's not good for feminism, y'all.

Wait.

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There. Sorted.

[msongs]

13. well at least they didnt caller use democratic corporate w-word this time nt

[imagine2015]

18. It's not nice to lie about Bernie supporters.

[me b zola]

19. Memo to Hillary supporters:

It makes no sense to support a candidate that suppresses and perverts the vote. This website was created in response to a stolen election, don't be on the wrongs side of history.

[Cali_Democrat]

20. The owner of this website is a Hillary supporter.. nt

[me b zola]

22. I realize that. Does that mean that he also blinks away the election fraud that is occurring?

Currently someone is filming, "Irony": Video recording the death of democracy.

You feel happy where you stand in the history of all of this?...I do.

[bahrbearian]

23. IOKIYHRC

[TwilightZone]

21. Especially right before California votes

Sure, shout down a popular politician from an upcoming, extremely-important-to-your-candidate state.

What could go wrong?

[JoePhilly]

25. Plus she's from CA ... and that primary is coming up.

[Brother Buzz]

58. A 1-2 point bounce in the polls would be my guess

A whole bunch of fence sitters just made up their mind.

[JoePhilly]

61. good point. nt

[INdemo]

27. Boxer is a Republican Lite and

Would never support Bernie Sanders under no circumstance She would still cast her vote for Hillary but what Barbara doesn't realize is that she would be the first one snubbed if Hillary should win.

[oasis]

32. Boxer is on record of being one of the most liberal Democrats in congress.

She's been re-elected to congress numerous times and has a 30+year career in public service.

Your "Republican Lite" comment is not grounded in reality or fact.

[larkrake]

66. Bull pucky, she is corporate and 3rd way- more repug than dem

[oasis]

69. Not a socalist who is into your revolution, for sure. However,

There are millions of voters who obviously disagree with your charactization.

[larkrake]

70. well, if you prefer sociopath to socialist, that is your choice. I want the middle, do not believe

extremes are healthy for anyone

[INdemo]

73. Not in recent years

she is one of the wealthiest Senators in Washington.
Her campaign Big Banks/Wall St. contributors resemble those of Hillary's.
A Senator may claim to be "liberal" but her Corporate ties say otherwise.

[redstateblues]

104. What an ignorant post-the favorite BSS ad hom

calling a progressive Republican. dumb

[larkrake]

108. I wouldnt call Boxer Progressive, she has been slipping right lately

[trueblue2007]

39. I am tired of the Bernie people being sooooooooooooooooooooooooo hateful.

Bernie is an Independent. He isn't a Democrat. He needs to tell his supporters to KNOCK OFF THE ABUSE.

I think the bernie people are most abusive to women.

[The Second Stone]

40. But the BROletariat is the sole authority for saying whose votes

count when and where. You having a family meeting? Well a BRO can just walk into your home and shout you down. You having a party convention? The BROs are allowed to just take it over and shout down anyone they don't like. It's called BROdom of speech.

John Lewis? They don't like him. Dolores Huerta? They don't like her. Barbara Boxer? They don't like her. You and me? They don't like us. They have posted here on the DU that they will have a "reckoning" within the party as soon as they take it over. They mean a purge.

[DesertRat]

53. The Democratic voters in CA won't take kindly to these attacks

[morningfog]

55. So much straw, so little damn given.

[peace13]

62. Memo to Hill supporters.

We can't be responsible for every idiot out there. Some frustrated guy yells out and a crime on humanity happens. We don't control them. I imagine Bernie hears a few of your out of control folks too. The crowds are larger so it is harder to hear, I'll give you that.

As far as NE goes.....they shouldn't try to change the rules without majority. End story.

[larkrake]

68. A sane voice, thank you

[whathehell]

94. Question for Bernie supporters who shrug off sexist slurs as products of "frustration"

Are racist slurs acceptable under the same circumstances? Would you minimize them as

no big deal, no "crime against humanity"?.. Women, after all, don't equate to 'humanity", right?

Is it okay to use them, when frustrated, at Black Hillary supporters?

I think not.

Is misogyny, as writer Katha Politt claims "The last acceptable bigotry of the Left"?

A no brainer, obviously.

[peace13]

95. Look to the process.

What happened on the floor at NE was election stealing. People are going to get upset. Most people never condone the words used be it against woman, man, or child of all colors and persuasions.

If you are speaking to the NE case. The people in charge were breaking the rules...folks get angry when their rights are stolen. Expect bad things when you go pulling strings to effect the outcome of something as important as this!

At the end of the day one has to ask themselves, did I do anything to cause this situation? Were these words used because I was out of line?

At the end of the day, if someone calls me a whore and I'm not one, I don't worry about it. My momma taught me well. Sticks and stones..........

[whathehell]

96. For starters, I myself am a Bernie Supporter

and I don't blame them for being 'upset' -- The idea is, to refrain from calling a woman a 'bitch", a "cunt', or any of the many sexual

slurs reserved for females and attack their CHARACTER, not their gender.

It really shouldn't be hard to grasp. Feminism means more than "equal pay" -- It means equal RESPECT as half of the

human race. Women who don't fight the slurs as much ass PoC fight slurs against THEM, aren't serious, IMO -- Racial minorities

are discriminated against for the color of their bodies, women for the construction of their bodies -- Both are conditions of birth

and only bigots deny women equal humanity.

[peace13]

106. Well I am a woman and a feminist but ....

People are not perfect and some have no integrity. A person can be a $ick, or a @unt or many other things if they do not have integrity and respect for the rules and others. I don't agree that I can't comment on a woman's attire if I can say that a man needs a trim and a better fitting suit. There is a way to be $itchy and a way to act like a &astard. Men and women may fit either description.

I guess I care more about laws against woman's freedoms than I do the words people use in anger. Bombing the American women back to the stone age by rolling back abortion law and accessibility, adding demeaning health care procedures to intimidate women, those things get my attention. Equal humanity is a great thing to work for. This election season tells me that we don't have many thinkers left in this country and that equality has slipped drastically.

I wish you well. Keep swinging the hammer...and thanks for what you wrote.

[larkrake]

111. Its politics to add adjectives to candidates, keep gender and religion out of politics folks

Hill doesn't care, no female politician gives a damn if they are called names

[mcar]

72. K&R

[MrMickeysMom]

74. Who the hell is doing THAT?

You know, you do this quite often... headline something to make it appear true. I have aptly dubbed this kind of nonsense OPs, "drive-by commentary" Bam! What? Says who?

Sez no one here.

[TheKentuckian]

75. There is no point calling her a bitch but then it was some random pissed dude

so I don't get the point of a missive to supporters. Talk to yelling guy about his comments, I have no connection via a hive mind this game is silly.

[jillan]

76. Winning!!! Winning!!! There's Charlie Sheen again.

[KPN]

102. Two Questions:

1) What sexist insults? Who? Proof?

2) What the hell was she doing at the Nevada Convention anyway? What was her role?

OK - 5 questions.

[redstatebluegirl]

105. Lets see how the California Democratic voter feels about this.

Thanks for the help in California Bernie supporters. Boxer is a champion of progressive causes.