2016 Postmortem
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"Hillary Clinton vs. Bernie Sanders Election Fraud Allegations"
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/05/13/chicago-election-official-admits-numbers-didnt-match-hillary-clinton-vs-bernie-sanders-election-fraud-allegations/
Jim Allen, Communications Director for the Chicago Board of Elections (BoE), acknowledges that the numbers didnt match initially in the legally mandated 5% audit of voting and tabulating machines after the recent Illinois Democratic primary between former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders. Allen, however, insists that this is simply a perception issue and that absolutely no election fraud took place.
Allen was responding by phone to my questions regarding allegations from citizen vote monitoring groups Whos Counting? Chicago and the Illinois Ballot Integrity Project (IBIP). Dr. Lora Chamberlain is a leader of Whos Counting, which works with IBIP to credential election day monitors and joined them this year to audit the audit. IBIP was started in Illinois in the aftermath of the 2000 Al Gore versus George Bush Debacle. A total of six members of the two groups gave affidavit-based testimony at the April 5, 2016 Chicago Board of Elections meeting.
...Four of the people who gave testimony described unbelievable irregularities in detail without a single word of rebuttal about the specifics of how the audit tabulation occurred from the Board. In sharp contrast to a more orderly audit in Rensselaer County, New York, Chamberlain, Michelle Suzanne Gayle, Rebecca Curliss, and William Schickley stated that problems included erasure of tally sheet votes when they didnt match (then adding some to get to the correct, pre-determined number), attempts to hide the work that was being done or to block the view of monitoring citizens, rapid adding of tallies to tally sheets near the end of the day to make things work, inconsistencies in the way names were read leading employees tallying the results to say wait, Im confused without real redress, most stations having a single person to tally results for particular machines rather than two tally-ers, tally-ers falling asleep or absenting themselves to the bathroom while the results continued to be read-out, double reading of votes that had already been tallied, and multiple methods for cheating or fudging the results when they didnt match, which was apparently quite often.
Since Chamberlain in particular reported that the mismatches would have meant substantially more votes for Bernie Sanders in a very specific case, I followed up with her to ask if all or most of the mismatches were similarly suggestive of a miscount favoring Clinton. Chamberlain responded, It appears to us that the inaccuracies were mostly in favor of Hillary, but she added, we are not going to say that in a court of law because we didnt have every table covered every day and there was a lot of blocking behavior by BoE employees throughout the process.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,715 posts)Why don't we just admit that we have a problem. Too many cronies and not enough accountability and legal consequences.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Oh...too late.
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)billionaires behind you, it gives you a feeling of power of dominance. That no one can challenge you.
It's the Oligarchs that are determined to win at any cost. They will not tolerate losing to the masses.
reddread
(6,896 posts)about as hard as an ad buy.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)In other words, the oligarchy isn't about to let the masses revolt against them when they can orchestrate a civil war within the 99%. Let's say the AA community gets fed up by the mass incarcerations by the Oligarchy and their disenfranchisement from the election process and they rebel against the Oligarchy. I wouldn't be surprised if a certain element of society, with the guns, "helps" the Oligarchy and their militarized police put down such rebellion. Those not directly affected would be encouraged to take sides. This is not a new concept. Colonial powers often encouraged two factions in a country to fight each other to keep them from uniting to fight the colonial power.
AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)If we get Clinton, it will be a fraud-based victory. Full stop.
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)Redacted Tonight Show who said a group of lawyers have gotten together in New York to try to find out the truth about what went on in NYC. As they talked he said there were so many questions and problems they were finding that JUST in NYC that it may take years to unravel all it. Plus he said that there were so few of them and it was such a big problem and initially many people wanted to find out what went wrong, but they found that when they came forward about inconsistencies that the "appointed officials" actually questioned them about their eligibility as "auditors." The people who came forward were NEVER supposed to be accountants or auditors, they were just poll workers. One lady told them they would take their concerns "under advisement" after November.
And the lawyer said they were only dealing with NYC and were completely incapable of covering the whole state!
In all my years of voting I've NEVER seen such complete chaos and dare I say something that smells to high heaven. Why has this been occurring over and over in almost every Primary and Caucus? I simply have NO faith in how elections are being run in this country and feel the American people are simply pawns at the mercy of TPTB. No matter who you support. We're getting ripped off IMO and I think too many people FINALLY have had enough!
I fear things are only going to go further down hill as more and more citizens realize how screwed up our system is. I guess we may have to hold on for a rough ride!
WhiteTara
(29,715 posts)please edit to only include 4 paragraphs as per DU TOS
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)Time we had a REAL 'Boston Tea Party'!
Peace