Is Sanders 2016 Becoming Nader 2000?

[workinclasszero]

Is Sanders 2016 Becoming Nader 2000?
How Bernie could cost Hillary the election.
By BILL SCHER May 16, 2016

But even if Sanders isn’t deliberately trying to replicate the electoral trauma inflicted by Nader in 2000—when he probably cost Al Gore the presidency—Bernie’s lingering presence in the Democratic primary threatens to produce a similar result in November: delegitimizing the eventual Democratic nominee in the eyes of the left and sending many critics, if not to Trump, then to the Green Party’s Jill Stein or the Libertarian Party’s Gary Johnson.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/is-sanders-2016-becoming-nader-2000-213893

[morningfog]

1. Too stupid to take seriously.

[LWolf]

4. Seriously stupid.

Or seriously false propaganda.

Or both.

[virtualobserver]

2. Hillary has delegitimized herself.....

Bernie isn't damaging her.

[TransitJohn]

3. Whoomp! There it is!

I was wondering when that shit was gonna start.

[apcalc]

5. We'll see. Give him until June 7.

Could very well be.

[NurseJackie]

6. Interesting question. I'd say that his followers are becoming similar to Naderites ...

... and he's getting close to "becoming Nader", but it remains to be seen how he handles his loss and how sincere his endorsement for Hillary is.

[timmymoff]

7. No but Hillary is becoming Gore 2000

[LexVegas]

8. Depends on how hard he campaigns for Clinton. I think he will redeem himself. nt

[sadoldgirl]

9. Redeem himself???

Could you be even more condescending?

After the NV disaster your candidate deserves
NOTHING! No support, no unity!

[procon]

11. Would he even try?

Has he ever supported other Dems... campaigned for them, endorsed them, raised money for them? See, there's no reason to believe he would suddenly become a team player.

[azurnoir]

21. ........

Elections
Main articles: United States Senate election in Vermont, 2006 and United States Senate election in Vermont, 2012

Sanders being sworn in as a U.S. senator by then Vice President Dick Cheney in the Old Senate Chamber, January 2007
Sanders entered the race for the U.S. Senate on April 21, 2005, after Senator Jim Jeffords announced that he would not seek a fourth term. Chuck Schumer, chairman of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, endorsed Sanders, a critical move as it meant that no Democrat running against Sanders could expect to receive financial help from the party. Sanders was also endorsed by Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada and Democratic National Committee chairman and former Vermont governor Howard Dean. Dean said in May 2005 that he considered Sanders an ally who "votes with the Democrats 98% of the time".[110] Then-Senator Barack Obama also campaigned for Sanders in Vermont in March 2006.[111] Sanders entered into an agreement with the Democratic Party, much as he had as a congressman, to be listed in their primary but to decline the nomination should he win, which he did.
In the most expensive political campaign in Vermont's history,Sanders defeated businessman Rich Tarrant by an approximately 2-to-1 margin. Many national media outlets projected Sanders as the winner just after the polls closed, before any returns came in. He was reelected in 2012 with 71% of the vote.
Sanders was only the third senator from Vermont to caucus with the Democrats, after Jeffords and Leahy. His caucusing with the Democrats gave them a 51–49 majority in the Senate during the 110th Congress in 2007–08. The Democrats needed 51 seats to control the Senate because Vice President Dick Cheney would have broken any tie in favor of the Republicans.[116] When he officially announced his intention to seek the Democratic nomination for president, Sanders set himself on a path to become only the second Democrat to represent Vermont in the Senate, the other being Leahy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders

[procon]

22. Did you intend to make a point?

Thank you for the wiki C&P, it does highlight some of the generouls help Bernie has taken from the Democratic Party, but there is nothing that documents where he ever supported other Dems and campaigned for them, endorsed them, or raised money for them. I can't see anything that indicates he would suddenly start doing that on behalf of Hillary.

[azurnoir]

23. why would Harry Reid and Barack Obama campaign for someone who did not return that support?

Do you think either of them are naive or perhaps unintelligent?

[procon]

24. They have to adhere to an established political agenda.

America has a very conflicted relationship with anything connected to Israel; they have a great lobbying effort, yeah? Between the generous donations of money into the campaign coffers of politicians, pressure from the fundie fanatics and their Rapture/Israel fantasy stories, the Republicans who are fundraising off of every criticism directed at Israeli policies and government leaders, it's a great gig.

[BillZBubb]

33. procon(servative), yes Bernie has done all those things.

He's been on the Democratic team for a long, long time. Of course you Hillary fans don't care to educate yourselves. You'd rather just buy Brock's lies.

[procon]

36. BillZBubb (simulacrum) What's a brock, and why can't my thoughts be my own?

Where you buy your opinions from?

Now that we've sniffed our way past an introduction, Bernie has a mutually beneficial association with the Democratic caucus in DC, but as far as the Party goes, to employ the word "team" is a non sequitur. Look here, I can google to find the candidates he's worked to support and the funds he's brought in for the Party... and to be kind, you might want to do that too.

[CrowCityDem]

10. His rhetoric certainly isn't stopping it.

For a guy who says he's going to do "everything in my power" to stop Trump from getting elected, he has made no indication to his followers that they need to back off and support Hillary in the fall, if she is the nominee (I'll give him that it isn't *over* yet, even though it is).

When he's still threatening to sue the party, and calling them corrupt at every turn, how are his followers not supposed to read into those actions that they shouldn't support Hillary?

[frylock]

12. Is Herp 2016 Becoming Derp 2000?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

13. EEEEK!! Nader!!

[G_j]

14. I suppose he could be a convenient scapegoat

for the DNC's failures. What else is new?

[bobthedrummer]

18. +1 They couldn't call it a "coup", which it was. n/t

[reddread]

20. a crucial piece of propaganda to catapult

cover for both GW's illegitimate ensconcement and fodder for right wing DLC aspirations.

[One Black Sheep]

15. No, its becoming Hillary 2008

But I guess its only OK when Queen Hillary does it.

[KingFlorez]

16. Sanders doesn't have that ability

He's an irrelevant gadfly at this point.

[bobthedrummer]

17. Nope.

[AZ Progressive]

19. Gore lost Florida because of election fraud, Elian Gonzales, butterfly ballots as well

Katherine Harris purged hundreds of thousands of Democrats from the voting rolls

The Cuban community revenged on the Clinton Administration for Elian Gonzales by voting for Bush

Butterfly ballots also messed up many senior voters in Democratic leaning Palm Beach County.

And of course the Supreme Court went out of their way to stop the votes from being recounted

[workinclasszero]

25. But mostly because of that asshole Nader

I wonder if he is still working for the RNC?

[hobbit709]

27. how many Democrats voted for Nader and how many voted for Bush?

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. And the tens of thousands of Conservadems who were Bush democrats

[JoePhilly]

26. Na, most Ameircans will have moved own after the summer.

Bernie will have endorsed Hillary.

Average Americans will have forgotten the primary and the focus will be on the General Election.

And the perpetually disgruntled will struggle to find a hearing.

[Kelvin Mace]

28. We keep explaining this to you

Gore won. If you don't like what actually happened then take it up with the remaining members of the SCOTUS. More Democrats voted for Bush in Florida than all the voters for Nader by about a factor of ten.

Also, if Gore 2.0 had run (the one who wrote An Inconvenient Truth) instead of the Gore 1.0 (the DNC version) then he would have won in a landslide, instead of just winning by a fraction.

[me b zola]

29. Are you looking as large an idiot as you are?

...Juggling...juggling...yes, I believe that you are that asshat...

[BillZBubb]

30. Is the Hillary fanboy confidence so shaky they have to blame Bernie now?

Hillary's going to win or lose based on Hillary. Not Bernie, not Nader, not trump, not Santa Claus, not the tooth fairy.

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. Hmm it seems to me that you guys are not so sure anymore

Yes, makes me smile

[Warren DeMontague]

32. Those words- "In the Democratic Primary"

I believe they contain your answer.

[Vinca]

37. Did I miss something? Did Bernie say he was going to run as a third party candidate?

The last I heard he said he was going to support Clinton if she's the nominee. You know how this article struck me? They're cooking up an excuse for her loss in November. Here's a news flash: if she doesn't win, it's her fault.