2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBoxer Unhinged..."Boo yourself out of the election"
WTF does "Boo yourself out of the election"
even mean???
It is a COMPLETELY meaningless statement
given the context in which it was made!
Does BOOING somehow effect vote totals?
If Sanders loses the convention
the boos would be irrelevant.
If Sanders wins the convention
the boos would also be irrelevant.
In what context can voters
"Boo themselves out of the election"
Sounds more like Boxer was panicked
and feebly tried to scold the convention
into submission?
Barbara Boxer appeared desperate
and unhinged as she incoherently
scolded Sanders supporters
at the Nevada convention.
The Boos were a response to disapproval
of the convention irregularities,
Boxer wrongly assigned/pretended the
disapproval was for Senator Sanders.
Boxer, in a desperate outburst,
praised Hillary and ignored the FACT
THAT THE BOOING was directed at her
and the corrupt convention chair's
biased support for Hillary.
Boxer's seemed panicked as she tried
to praise Hillary in the fact of an
unexpected challenge to rigging
of the convention results.
Boxer was clearly out of her element
outside of the cordial and managed
settings she is accustomed to.
Dealing with REAL voters is much
more difficult than the cordial backroom
dealings with which she is accustomed.
Like most Congress Critters, she is inept
and easily shaken when she is off script
and her narrative fails to win
the audience approval.
Gothmog
(145,291 posts)MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)puffy socks
(1,473 posts)Let Sanders rabid supporters whine his entire campaign into oblivion.
And, as evidenced by this OP
theyre completely cluless as to who exactly is crashing his campaign...naturally its someone else's fault. Smh
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)It's Clinton and her henchmen who have been the bullies this campaign.
I know how to handle bullies. I walk away - and so will all the Bernie supporters. Good luck with that in the fall (if you're candidate isn't indicted by then).
Merryland
(1,134 posts)and will regret doing so when her selected candidate is indicted.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)our Bernie supporters will drink and share the coolaid.
Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)The GOP isn't going to lose the House with HRC on the top of the Dem ticket. Then they will impeach her. If the GOP has the Senate, she may get tossed out on her ear, and her VP will need to pardon her.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)bigtree
(85,998 posts)...Sanders folks are in the process of opening up a wider campaign AGAINST BOXER, even though she's retiring. She's well liked and loved in California so this should help the Sanders campaign there to run her into the ground; all in defense of a primary Sanders has all but lost.
This should go over just swimmingly in California. Keep it up.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/89ae8247abe8493fae24405546e9a1aa/Article_2016-05-15-US--DEM%202016-Nevada/id-c3b7ab9ad09a47ecae4ac614538a4915
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)about a stalwart Democratic senator.
Some examples:
- unhinged
- panicked
- feebly tried
- desperate and unhinged
- incoherently scolded
- desperate outburst
- panicked
- clearly out of her element
- inept
- easily shaken
This is the language of tabloid journalism, not political discussion.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)puffy socks
(1,473 posts)on steroids
riversedge
(70,239 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)RW propaganda language.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)in how Hillary is treated.
the ammo is the same and was used against Kerry. Kerry volunteered to go to viet nam. Bush, the coward that he is, found a loophole to stay in the US. Kerry, who actually did something, was ridiculed and called names and his record in viet nam was turned into a huge negative.
So now we have Hillary - Secretary of State, who could have enjoyed her wealth, but instead worked hard. Once again the republican smear machine turns her hard work into a negative. And this time we have a tea party on the left, filled with hate and bile, who are piling on with more animosity than they show republican candidates.
Maru Kitteh
(28,340 posts)that has earned you the well-deserved admiration of Democrats and progressives for 20+ years.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Did you even see what happened? And did you comprehend? The BULLIES were the leaders of that meeting. They didn't want to listen or even acknowledge the Bernie people, but bullies through what they wanted without any DEMOCRATIC input.
Boxer is just one more of the sell outs. Unhinged is the perfect word.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)of this post, CosmicKitten. Senator Boxer has a new autobiography out, and at the moment I can't think of a single person who might benefit more from reading a book written by a progressive about her 32 years in Congress than you.
"One goal of this memoir is to inspire people to fight for change. It takes what I call the Art of Tough and I've had to do it all my life."- Senator Barbara Boxer
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)is impossible practically defines them, but political scientists include an extreme righteousness that justifies in their minds anything they might want to do. Like the bizarrely inaccurate slander of the OP.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)for it last summer, Dem. It'd been a while.
CosmicKitten, here's a quotation for you and the people you're trying to defend to consider.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Benito Mussolini went from being an ardent Marxist in his youth to a fascist in his later years but believed in both with an equal fervor.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)And a terrible object lesson. There is the kind of strong leader zealots yearn to follow.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)And yes, that does include Bernie Sanders. I don't like how angry and red-faced he always is.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)You know, I really was drawn to the doors he was opening for pushing liberal goals further, and certainly his proposed programs are not politically extreme. But personality-wise, though his company manners are better than those of the zealots' he's drawing, the same personality patterns of extreme righteousness, intolerance and ruthlessness are being revealed over time.
When he couldn't explain how he would turn aspirations into reality in the context of current laws, it seemed to show him as an air dreamer. But as he became more and more hostile and aggressive toward the Democratic Party and revealed a pattern of dirty tactics, contempt for process, and elaborate plans to take the nomination by setting aside the majority vote, I started wondering if there could be a whole different reason why he wouldn't discuss what he would do as president.
Of course, our system of government (and the GOP) should keep someone like that fairly in check and we'd never know how abusive of power he could be. But what if at some point he and his followers were able to join with fellow extremists on the hard right to to block attempts by moderates to limit them in some common goal? Those alliances are usually really bad for a lot of people.
Not a happy thought.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)I've gone from thinking Bernie Sanders is a dreamer to thinking he's something far more ruthless.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)What the actual fuck??? Oh please let this be a career ender.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)That is an awful thing to say but given the source I am not surprised.
She is retiring. Do keep up.
shanti
(21,675 posts)TG!
Tarc
(10,476 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)"You are either with us or against us."
DrDan
(20,411 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)Truer words have NEVER been spoken. I entered this election season with only a vague idea of who Bernie Sanders was. As I learned more about his policies, I thought he was ok, a bit too far left for me, but just fine as a candidate. But his boorish misogynistic supporters are so awful, so off-putting, and SO far out of control that I have been entirely turned off to his angry, shouting message. All he wants is to rile people up - he has no concrete, attainable plans to achieve ANY of his platform.
He is not ready for prime time, and some of his supporters are vicious thugs.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)Rather than authoring a bill - getting support for it - and pushing it through, he has relied on the coattails of others to get changes to their bills passed.
One qualified to be president needs to have experience in "owning" the COMPLETE process of change.
My experience coming in to the primary season is very similar to yours. I was open to either. I have since decided that some smaller steps toward progress are better than his all-or-nothing approach, and that of his supporters.
Doremus
(7,261 posts)Oh yes, let's have more. Like more environmental legislation deregulating fracking and pipelines cause yea! Hillary! And who cares if lobbyists and Wall Streeters are writing the bills these days, hip hip hooray for Hillary!
/s
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)Not all of his supporters act this way, but those that do aren't winning him any votes. They're just making a goodly number of people who support him rethink their support.
I voted for Bernie in my state's primary. I think we could do with a swing to the left and we need someone who'll fight for the middle and lower classes.
But Bernie supporters make me ashamed of my vote. They use extremist and absolutist language and the consume all the air in any debate or discussion. They say they are for democracy but they won't let anybody but themselves talk. And when someone else talks, they refuse to consider the other view point, they just ignore everything but their own righteousness.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)I wondered about that. Particulary Bernie's women supporters - surely they are embarrassed that a fellow supporter would shout "Who gives a shit, bitch?" at Democratic Senator Barbara Boxer, of all people. From what I can see, many Bernie supporters are for peace, for protecting the environment, and for health care for all. I'm sure they didn't sign up to be aligned with misogynistic thugs.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)She is spot on. She is highlighting the immaturity and highly unethical behavior of Sanders supporters.
Great democrat, progressive, and champion.
Go Boxer!!!
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Not a chance Boxer will stand quietly by as a group of Sanders supporters tries to subvert the will of the people and steal an election. She has chatacter, strength, and a strong ethical compass.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)You want to see unhinged:
Watched this many times. Still can't believe a white guy yells "who gives a shit, bitch" at Boxer for "progressives"
https://twitter.com/CMPreciado/status/731547437047775233
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)This is brilliant.
J_J_
(1,213 posts)They apparently have never understood what happens when you order people around for too long.
They are about to get a serious taste of teenage rebellion.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Well played.
J_J_
(1,213 posts)Hillary supporters are more like old rich people "I got mine so screw you types"...
....with a touch of alzheimers as they seem to 'misremember' just how easy their lives were compared to what young people are up against today
....and time and apathy have taken their toll as they regress to the mind of an 8th grader who just wants to win no matter what, so they can feel good about themselves.
What is strange is that Hillary supporters, who trend older, have been around much longer, actually witnessing when we had a real Democratic party and proud liberals like JFK, who fought for our ideals, peace in the world and focusing on making the lives of Americans better
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I have seen people die from Alzheimer's Disease. Some die because they forgot how to swallow when the disease progresses to its terminal stage:
....with a touch of alzheimers as they seem to 'misremember' just how easy their lives were compared to what young people are up against today
I don't believe we should be treating it as a punch line . Your mileage may vary.
J_J_
(1,213 posts)Millions of homeless school children born into a life of hopelessness, unemployed people dying from lack of basic necessities.
There are serious problems in this country, and they are a matter of life and death.
And the willfully ignorant Hillary supporters are doing far more damage to alzheimers patients and the entire country that my comparison.
If Hillary people are not suffering from a touch of alzheimers...how can they possibly support a 'democrat' like Hillary after watching the downfall of the party from true liberals such as JFK?
How can older people not care what they are leaving behind for younger generations?
I was being nice in assuming it was alzheimers, maybe older 'liberals' turned into greedy sociopaths just like Republicans but they are not aware of it and still self identify as liberals.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Politicians are three dimensional figures and not cardboard saints. JFK who is one of my heroes was all too human. He cut taxes on the rich, had a Republican as his Secretary of State and Secretary Of Defense, expanded the war in Vietnam, and took a pragmatic stance when it came to civil rights.
Protalker
(418 posts)I have worked in the public sector with addicted people, with AIDS folk for 30 years. I paid for my Masters degree. For most of my career never made.more than 30000 per year. I am retired which I can't afford, work with MI Substance Dependent people 6 days a week. My mother died with Alzheimers. My family is mixed. I believe it takes a village.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)My mom was in the hospital back in 1996. There was a patient there with Alzheimer's Disease. They asked him what year it was and who was president to see how oriented he was. He said said 1936 and FDR.
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)I know Hillarians just like to throw words out there, despite having no idea of their meaning, kinda like "throw under the bus." It might behoove you to actually know the meaning of the terminology you use before making yourself look foolish.
Seems Legit is an expression used as a sarcastic retort to a suspected attempt at deception and is often used to caption image macros depicting factually questionable statements and scenarios.
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/seems-legit-sounds-legit
You're welcome.
TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)Did your corporate coup get booed? Poor little child...
vintx
(1,748 posts)These people can't seem to grasp that things are changing. The old status quo defending song and dance doesn't impress that many people anymore
B Calm
(28,762 posts)FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)at the altar of Her?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)They said it was from New Jersey.
Good one
.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)It may make some of his supporters feel good, but it's not winning him any votes.
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)there is no recognition of context. A process had just occurred which will be eventually reported on when the perpetrators of the crime can no longer be held accountable. But over 4 dozen delegates credentials were sabotaged by the team that has come to be recognized as completely untethered from any ethical principle. So within that context, fuck you Barbara Boxer.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)When it's been established that 'sabotage' actually occurred, then we have something to talk about.
Until then, all of this upset is yet another episode of alleged conspiracy, spleen venting, and attacks that are not supported by objective reporting.
In other words, just another day on GD-P.
Fairgo
(1,571 posts)So, she was a civil rights worker....sorry, I need to sit down. All this methane has made me dizzy.
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)Merryland
(1,134 posts)both a "civil rights worker" and a Goldwater Girl. Wow, impressive.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Now under the bus because she didn't anoint St. Bernie's feet with oils.
Renew Deal
(81,860 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)Bernie himself will go under the bus with the rest of them before this thing is done.
Renew Deal
(81,860 posts)Some people will self destruct like the fembots at the end of Austin Powers.
all american girl
(1,788 posts)Bullying will not be tolerated, don't mess with B-Box.
All in it together
(275 posts)When you render people powerless they do get upset sometimes. Especially when it's the people we believe are on our side who betray us (Hillary and her supporters).
It's been happening since the early 90s with the Clinton's betraying us. I hate to let them get away with more betrayal of the American people. I don't think most Hillary supporters realize what betrayers they are to the real principles of the party.
Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)s
Merryland
(1,134 posts)How nineteenth century of you - or eighteenth maybe - shades of Marie Antoinette!
Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)Seriously...I know not all BSSers are guilty but some of them were just bad news. You don't call Sen. Boxer a bitch or boo...so rude and obnoxious.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)She's pissing off all the right assholes.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)kiva
(4,373 posts)Odds are pretty good this convention turned it red.
But hey, what do I know? I'm only someone who's been a Democrat for forty years, was actually at the convention and saw all of the underhanded nonsense the state party execs pulled. But why would Clinton need those electoral votes anyway?
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Since there are several million fewer of them than Clinton supporters, the % who are diehard holdouts will not cause much of a ripple.
kiva
(4,373 posts)used by Nevada Bernie supporters. After the fiasco on Saturday the videos and memes and discussions all focus on the dishonesty of Roberta Lange and the state party executives. We have a choice in Nevada, we can select "none of the above" in all elected positions and that's what's being discussed.
Maybe nationwide that many Bernie supporters will switch, but here, after Saturday? Nope.
But look at the bright side, it's only 6 electoral votes, she can make that up easily in those other contested states, right?
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Giving out her phone number and address too, classy. Still, a minority of bullies is still not significant.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)otherwise it's a joke.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Take a stats class.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)is a Fact.
antigop
(12,778 posts)riversedge
(70,239 posts)who acted like bullies.
oasis
(49,388 posts)The toast just got more berned.
riversedge
(70,239 posts)Beacool
(30,249 posts)They are both popular with their constituencies.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Someone needs to find better ways of communicating than yelling and booing.
Actor
(626 posts)Trump campaign.
I just want everyone here to know what they are participating in.
Whether you know it or not you are being propagandized directly by the GOP.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)The language used is extremely telling. Imagine using words like desperate and unhinged about BARBARA BOXER.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)She was a condescending windbag.
oasis
(49,388 posts)Boxer's used to dealing with REAL Democrats.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)She lives in an metaphorical
*gated community* where
she need not address nor be
confronted by real democrats...
unless you believe real democrats
are all millionaires and lobbyists?
oasis
(49,388 posts)Democrat her entire career.
Maybe you know more than the "Democrat" voters who continued to re-elect her.
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts).99center
(1,237 posts)Contrast her behavior on stage to Trump when a protester interrupts him. This explains what set off the violence inside the convention. There goes any chance of highlighting Trumps bullying tactics during rallies, thanks Boxer, you sure are "winning!" gracefully.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)They've made it very clear that they don't feel democracy is required for them to keep their power. They're entitled and we're just an annoyance to them.
Beacool
(30,249 posts)Barbara Boxer is a fine senator and deserved more respect than she got in NV. She will be missed once she retires from the Senate.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)Boxer was unhinged alright. And if that's a problem for CA (which I doubt), then so be it! I stand with the Nevada Sanders delegates.
Her behavior was shameful, and she deserved what she got. SHE wasn't the one damaged, the Sanders people were. THEY were the ones victimized by her side.
wundermaus
(1,673 posts)If you were not motivated before, then you sure as hell are now.
She stoked a serious fire under the asses of Progressive Democrats with her mask off.
The corruption is out in the open, in full frontal nudity and in living color.
If you were passive before there are no excuses now.
We all knew the republican party was corrupt and that there was little we democrats could do to fix that. But now the corruption is in full bloom in our democratic party.
That shit is now overtly in our party!
A little birdie told me it is time to take names and "kick boxers" ass!
TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)One person calling you a name does not justify shutting down the process. If you're really that thin-skinned you have no business trying to control others.
azmom
(5,208 posts)Have kept her composure. Wonder, why she exploded like that?
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