Hillary post from facebook

[applegrove]

"SNIP.........

We’re going to do everything we can to make sure every young person in this country has the skills and the education they need to succeed, from preschool to college. We need to expand access to high-quality early childhood education. Every kid should have a good school and good teachers from K-12 in his or her zip code. Community college should be free. Four-year college should be debt-free, so you don’t have to borrow a penny to go to a public college or university. And if you already have student debt, you should be able to refinance it to relieve that burden. It's time to make sure costs or where you live aren't a barrier to a good education, and debt doesn't hold you back. 

.......SNIP"

[Prism]

1. This sounds suspiciously like "Free Stuff!"

Which Hillary supporters have assured me, for the better part of a year now, is basic Soviet communism geared towards a lazy generation who doesn't want to work for anything.

So, are we chill with this now all of a sudden?

[applegrove]

2. Liberals always take the best ideas of leftists. They do it all around

the world.

[Prism]

3. Now it's a "best idea of the leftists?"

After the months of vilification and denigrating an entire generation of voters for pushing for it?

It's like a black hole landed somewhere in Kansas with attendant time dilation, and no one can get their neurons firing quickly enough to figure out what they said as recently as two weeks ago.

So, I'll lay it plain.

I. Do. Not. Believe. Her.

Anyone who spends a year slamming an idea does not suddenly see the light in a little-viewed Facebook post.

And any of her supporters who slammed all this for the entirety of the primary cycle and who will now whirl around and pretend they supported it all along are the worst.

[pmorlan1]

5. I couldn't agree more

[MissDeeds]

8. I don't believe her either n/t

[QC]

20. It's easy to do this sort of ting when one has absolutely no core convictions. n/t

[pmorlan1]

4. She Proves Over and Over

why people don't trust her. This is so pathetic and yet so predictable. She is undoubtedly the WORST Democratic candidate ever. And you know what will come next....oh I thought this all along.

[SpareribSP]

6. If she plans to fund it through a tax on wall street speculation you'll know she's gone full-Bernie

[merrily]

7. Somewhere in evolutionary heaven, Darwin has never felt more vindicated.

[pdsimdars]

16. No, Darwin is saying, "This bull sh*t isn't the evolution I was talking about."

[merrily]

17. In evolutionary heaven, no one is ticked off. That would be evolutionary hell.

[Vattel]

9. Ugh, the free community college plan is so dumb.

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It penalizes students who choose to do all four years at a university. Those students, on average, are brighter, which makes it even worse.

[TCJ70]

11. Community Colleges have some real benefits for people...

...and it isn't just less-"bright" people who use them. I have a college degree. Got out into the world and discovered a new direction for myself. Rather than going back to a four year university I'm taking classes to get IT certifications to keep moving forward. $200 a class is better than ending up several thousand in debt. There are also plenty of bright people who just don't have the money for a four year university.

[mindem]

12. Brighter students?

How elitist of you. Community college has nothing to do with how "bright" a student is.

[SunSeeker]

30. Exactly. nt

[timmymoff]

13. Are the students who go to community college less bright?

Or do they maybe need to enter the workforce much faster and with better earning power than they previously had? Do they maybe already have their goals in order and this suits them as well financially?

[Vattel]

24. On average, yes, they are less bright.

Setting that aside, I don't see why students who do all four years at a university should have to pay for their first two years while the student who goes two years to a community college should get two years for free.

[hootinholler]

14. Bullshit

Many CCs have courses that teach trades in addition to the 3 Rs.

Also there are specific courses related to contractor law.

[oldandhappy]

35. oh oh oh only brighter students

do the four year route? ha ha ha

[Starry Messenger]

39. Whut?

[lumberjack_jeff]

41. You know, this elitist dumbfuckery is why I didn't support Obama in '08.

"Clinging to their guns and religion" and suchlike.

I liked Clinton better when she was Annie Oakley.

[firebrand80]

10. Sounds just like a Republican nt

[pdsimdars]

15. I doubt if she posted it. One of the recent emails that was released was an email from

Hillary to one of her staff asking them to reply to Pagliano's email. He had sent her an email wishing her a happy birthday. . .and she had a staff person send a response. Nice touch.

[frylock]

18. FREE STUFF!!!1!2!

[Armstead]

19. What does that even mean?

Four-year college should be debt-free, so you don’t have to borrow a penny to go to a public college or university.

Either it's free or it's not.

[DookDook]

21. She's the quantum candidate!

It means whatever you need it to mean and tomorrow it will mean something totally different.

If she promised free stuff then people would accuse her of promising ponies and we all know how crazy that would be, so she needs to 'borrow' the idea and wrap it up slightly different so that she can claim it was her idea all along. Just like how she always fought for 15/hr and thought that we should have some sort of Single Payer health plan that people could buy into, if they're over 50.

[840high]

33. .+1

[Kittycat]

31. She needs to keep it open ended for republican

Input.

[pinebox]

22. Whichever way the political wind blows!

You can count on Hillary to be the weathervane!

[Arugula Latte]

25. Which is it? Free stuff good? Or free stuff bad?

[underthematrix]

28. You should read it again because this was not about getting

free stuff.

[underthematrix]

27. When I went to a state college for a year, I left debt free

The fees were very affordable because that was the purpose of state colleges and universities.

[sadoldgirl]

29. You still believe her? good luck with that.

Wheathervane, weathervane , where did the wind
blow from today?!

[applegrove]

32. People always complain politicians are not listening to them. So what gives.

[840high]

34. Hillary listens to polls and Bernie.

[oldandhappy]

36. Some of her phrases are direct copies!

[840high]

38. Yes - I've noticed.

[Ash_F]

37. Are there details on her plan?

I have read that she intends for students to pay for it with work-study, but unless it pays like $80/hr I don't see them being able to work part time and go to school full time and still make ends meet.

I don't see how she can make it work without cost controls and tax subsidies.

I confess ignorance here. A link or brief explanation would be appreciated.

[lumberjack_jeff]

40. "We're going to do everything we can". I lost interest after that. n/t

[Mike__M]

43. "Do everything we can"

is how many degrees higher commitment than "look into it"?

I mean when using language as a legalistic implement.

[JRLeft]

42. How could she do that and support Bush's donors at the same time?