Barbara Boxer: Nothing like providing great fodder for the GOP.

[Skwmom]

Last edited Mon May 16, 2016, 02:47 PM - Edit history (2)

While the event seemed stage for Clinton's short term benefit I think they have totally overlooked the long term damage that can be caused by this.

Why does it seemed staged?

First there was the stuff that happened with the NV caucus which really upset Bernie supporters.

Then they have the convention and more stuff occurs to upset Bernie Supporters.

Cue the stage for Barbara Boxer (an EXPERIENCED politician)

1. She asks for civility when she knows the crowd is upset. So we just screwed you but by all means lets be civil. How uncivil of you to boo because what we pulled. Chastising people to be civil after they've just been screwed is a real winning strategy. No Barbara, we NEED a system that is not corrupt and rigged.

2. She calls Bernie her friend when people have heard her on the corporate propaganda channels being less than flattering to Bernie.

3. She says you are going to boo yourself out of this election.

4. We had the vote, we had the voice, we had victory and she praises and praises Clinton.

5. She calls the crowd bullies for being upset about the crap that happened. You shouldn't hide behind a bullying label Barbara - shame on you.

6. To add further fuel to the fire she says Clinton was a civil rights worker and LOTS of Bernie Supporters know about the photograph and the smear that Bernie was lying about what he did for civil rights. Knowing this will be watched, that's a great piece of misinformation to get out there. (And I have yet to see good evidence about Clinton's civil rights work).

Is she an idiot? Does she understand the GOP can use this, add in video of the crap that occurred in the NV caucus (including newspaper headlines), the times she dissed her friend Bernie, claiming Clinton was a civil rights worker while having their tools try to say Bernie was lying about what he had done, etc.

Great job Barbara. You sure in the hell know how to win a general election.

It was staged for use in the California Primary. But what's the good in winning a battle when you lose the war?

Update: And please stop lecturing about the future of this country being at stake. We realize that.


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[CobaltBlue]

1. Skwmom—Barbara Boxer was acting as a tool for Democratic Elite…

to see what they could do to control Bernie Sanders’s voters.

It was an effort to exert command over dissidents.

[Skwmom]

3. Well I predict this is going to come back and bite them in the ass. God are they stupid.

[MisterP]

18. that's how it works--their lips move but someone else's words come out

anyone remember the 2004-5 Boxer Rebellion? now it's just sad

[MADem]

2. You're doing exactly what she said the crowd was doing. Astounding you don't see it.

If you don't understand HRC's work in civil rights and the Children's Defense Fund, that's YOUR problem. You've got Google--get to work.

Dragging a liberal lioness like Boxer who has for years done right by us through the mud with your petty and trumped up complaints? Wow, what a smart move on your part!

Keep "helping" Bernie win CA (LOL) by trashing one of the most popular politicians in CA history.

You keep booing. Keep bashing. Keep trashing. Heckuvajob!

[Skwmom]

7. It was staged for the CA primary and nothing will change that. But it's a gift to the GOP.

Nobody does a better job of torpedoing Clinton's chances than Camp Clinton and their clueless band of surrogates who will do anything to win. But they forget, you might win a battle but in doing so lose the war.

[MADem]

9. Please--Keep "HELPING!" The more you "help" the sooner this sorry "Long Goodbye" will be over.

And stop with the insults (who's clueless if they think that's a good idea--LOL) and threats--they make you look petty.

"If you don't do what I say, BAAAAAD things are gonna happen!!" is not a viable, winning, positive strategy--but that's what you have reduced yourself to employing. Sad.

No, bad things aren't going to happen. Bernie lost. Deal with it. He gave it a good run, but he's impossibly behind, and if you think shitting on Barbara Boxer is going to make people say "OOOOOH--I SEE THE LIGHT, I do!!!! BERRRNNNIE is WUNNNNNNERFULLLLL!!!" I have a bridge to sell you. All you're doing is destroying his legacy. How are you going to pivot when he tells you to stop, if you keep this bitter, nasty stuff up?

Get used to saying Madame President. It's happening, and it's going to be wonderful.

[NanceGreggs]

27. SO well done, MADem!

This and your previous post are so dead-on accurate.

[MADem]

33. Thank you! Hopefully we'll all be feeling the love again soon!!

This has just been an interminable process--it really does illustrate the meaning of the term "bitter end!"

[fun n serious]

21. Why are Sanders surrogates aloud but not Clintons?

Do you hear yourself? Susan Sarandon. AOK. Tina Turner AOK... Barbara Boxer ( Omagawd the horror) IMO the reason why BB and TT had to be there was because of the busing in of people that happened in April.

Hillary won Nevada and there was Shennanigans at the April state convention. Why are you not talking about that?

:large


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[PATRICK]

31. That's being politie

It's more like dividing your forces before promenading over to Little Big Horn. Unprofessional, imprudent decisions were made right at the start to have a fixed centrist platform of low expectations and a non competitive hand me down primary. That is way too much just to blame on Hillary. They got called out and bloodied and like the Redcoats think to bluff it out with all their power. Then they were so afraid of the platform and donor base change they threw away the chance to deepen their well punished base. then there was- and is still it seems- some secret fishing about for another centrist candidate- an anti-Sanders unHillary person but also another past losing star of rather dismaying age.

And then there is the chaos- which I don't expect, but boy have I been wrong before- of a Hillary indictment come Convention time or after. No matter who or what you support there is never a time like the present to swallow your cud and get some clear talking started among all in the party. Posting here or getting hidden or banned is nothing influential or indelible like acting like a fearful buffoon in getting live delegates working together. Let's encourage our party pros to start acting as such with some wisdom or rudimentary knowledge of political history. The last thing we seem to ignore, although we should, is the inevitable pissing contest that goes with most primaries.

[onecaliberal]

4. The fucking blatant cheating is doing that.

[Blue_In_AK]

5. With regard to your point 2,

I won't forget how astonished I was to hear Barbara Boxer on MSNBC comment derisively on the "whiteness" of Bernie's rallies a few months ago. I had always held her in high esteem, but that comment was completely uncalled for and destroyed my image of her. She has done good work over her time in the Senate, but I had no idea she could be so mean-spirited.

[MisterP]

19. 90% of the people accusing Sanders of running a "white campaign"

are themselves lilywhite, and for a candidate that embodies white privilege

it's like the Santa Monicans who think they're liberals because they hire Black people to keep the Expo Line from bringing "those people" near them

[JoePhilly]

6. I like # 1, asking for civility from Bernie supporters is now ...

... a bad thing.

Wow.

[Skwmom]

8. I expounded on my point.

[MADem]

10. +1,000,000! nt

[BootinUp]

11. consider taking a break. nt

[Hydra]

13. Consider respecting the votes of actual people

Not just Goldman Sachs and Citi.

[fun n serious]

23. Nevada voted and Hillary won

The votes of the people!

[roguevalley]

25. she cheated and she will be exposed ... video escapes you

[fun n serious]

26. She won Nevada months ago.

I saw the video it doesn't show anything. 64 people were not eligible. Most were from out of state!

[MADem]

35. Cough.

That piece of crap propaganda that you link to was written by "Angie Morelli." Who's that, you ask?


https://www.facebook.com/AngieMorelliforNVatLargeDelegateforBernie/

Angie Morelli for National Delegate for Bernie


So, we'll take THAT from whence it comes.


This delegate deservedly got his ass handed to him by his fellow Sandernistas on reddit--they called him every name in the book:





Some delegates moved out of the county they purported to represent. You can't DO that. What made you eligible in April doesn't make you eligible in May, if you're no longer living in the same place. A few Clinton delegates got caught in that issue, too, but since many of us Clinton supporters tend to be old fogies, we don't move around as much--or come from out of state to do things like caucus.


Get over it. Your guy got what he deserved, even as his "helpers" on the ground tried to game the results through bullying and intimidation.

[appal_jack]

12. K&r for the long view.

You are getting piled-upon by members of Camp Weathervane, but you make good points, Skwmom.




-app

[Hydra]

14. It was painful to watch her speak

I've never seen a more clumsy and obviously bought stump attempt. I hope it goes over as well as the lead balloon of "love and kindness."

[840high]

16. Maybe she wants to be in

Clinton's cabinet. Anyway, I was shocked.

[jillan]

15. I'm sure Trump was celebrating last night after watching her.

[Starry Messenger]

17. I'm proud of her for getting under the skin of several assholes.

[oasis]

24. +1

[MADem]

36. +1,000! nt

[amborin]

20. Spot On! I think your analysis nails it! My husband watched a clip of the news on TV, he said it

only showed Bernie supporters with their fists in the air.

Anyone just turning in, with no knowledge of what occurred (and that is so many viewers) could easily
buy into Boxer's and the DNC's and Clinton's lies

[LoverOfLiberty]

22. How many more

Democrats will Bernouts tear down on their way to destroying the Democratic party?

[coffeeAM]

28. The left got these old timer establishment types shaking in their boots. Their really lashing out

like never before. Really enjoying watching the foundation crumble this election cycle.

[silvershadow]

29. K&R. nt

[Prism]

32. I like Barbara Boxer

And I plan on voting for Kamala Harris for Senate.

But, I really don't understand her appearance.

It seemed almost designed to antagonize.

And so it did.

I think the party is starting to feel like it's losing its grip. They've gotten just a little too accustomed to deference and top-down control. And when the plebs rebel, they're not so happy.

Boxer seemed . . . annoyed.

Democrats should not be annoyed at populist sentiment. They should embrace it, or at the very least address it.

She came off as condescending and imperious. Of course, people not in the mood, who felt like they'd just been fucked over were going to react negatively.

Where is the mystery here?

And the fact it is apparently a mystery is more troublesome than the entire affair.

You don't get why people are pissed? Ok. Good luck in November, then.

Someone save these people from themselves.

[FlatBaroque]

37. As I wrote on another thread...

Booing became bullying when it was decided to be made a specific strategy in advance of the Philadelphia convention. They plan to steamroll half the voting base and they are pre-positioning the propaganda to conform to their chosen narrative. This is the absolute worst, most cynical political campaign that I have ever had the displeasure to witness.

[Prism]

38. "you can't boo her majesty?!"

Oh, damn, you wanna bet?

[LexVegas]

34. Looks to me like she aggravated all the right people. nt

[NorthCarolina]

39. She was doing as she was told. -nt-

[Eleanors38]

40. But Boxer had a great plan to end school shootings: Send in the Nat'l Guard.