What is the Justification for Nominating Sanders At This Point?

[Doctor Jack]

Lets say things stay on the expected trajectory and Clinton ends up with a few hundred more pledged delegates and a few million more votes. And lets say that the polls stay roughly the same in the next few weeks, showing Clinton leading trump by 6ish points nationwide and Sanders by a few points more.

Many people here say that Sanders must be the nominee and the superdelegates must hand the nomination over to him. Why? Whats the justification? How do you convince clinton supporters to get on board with this decision?

[Trust Buster]

1. Because they say so......LOL

[Baobab]

28. Honesty is the #1 reason I will vote for Bernie

leadership ability-
real- not phony
willingness to work for the country
not a "Drama Queen" like some other candidates
intelligence
ability to heal wounds, not create them/exploit them

[uponit7771]

2. Sanders knows the "collective energy" will change the mind of congress and that's all that's needed

... to win the dem nomination and you reality based people KNOW IT!!!

[morningfog]

3. The pledged delegate winner will be the nominee, barring something seismic.

The PD winner will almost certainly be who enough supers go to in order to secure the nomination.

None will switch simply because another candidate is polling better in the general.

His only path is to surpass Hillary in PDs. It's a damn near impossible path, but not yet impossible. With things as unpredictable as 2016 has been, it is worth it to play this out through the voting process.

[Doctor Jack]

8. Is see nothing wrong with that

If there is still a path, even a narrow one then no point in giving up. And if he surpasses clinton in pledged delegates or popular vote then i think he has a strong argument. Combine that with the fact that he probably is more electable (although i think either dem will crush Trump come november) and I think fighting for superdelegates is the right thing to do until the convention.

I don't think the primaries going all the way until the end really hurts either dem. I do wonder, if some people are actually arguing to overturn the pledged delegate and/or popular vote with superdelegates, what they think would actually happen.

[CorporatistNation]

12. Hillary Is A WEAK And Dramatically Flawed Candidate... The Numbers Really Matter Little...

especially when you consider "how" Hillary has "Acquired" many of her PD's...

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

4. Doing the right thing is pretty good justification.

[tritsofme]

26. Over-ruling the will of the people to nominate the loser is the "right thing"?

Interesting theory...

[silvershadow]

33. We don't rule by the will of the people. We rule based solely on the

delegates, many of whom represent corporate interests as lobbyists, to make up their minds and cast votes on who would be the better candidate to put forward. That's exactly how it works. The rest of this is just window dressing.

[virtualobserver]

5. The goal is to win a majority of pledged delegates

the argument to the supers is that they should not contradict the will of the voters.

[CobaltBlue]

6. Doctor Jack—Do you consider…platform?

[Doctor Jack]

10. Do I like Bernie's platform more? Sure...

...do I like asking myself questions and then answering them? Absolutely. Do I think that is a powerful enough argument if he doesn't close the gap? Not really.

[CobaltBlue]

15. Doctor Jack—I took your question to mean…an approach to one’s vote.

[Doctor Jack]

9. Anyone saying they will vote for Trump under any circumstances isn't a liberal or a Democrat

They are a fucking troll. Vote for Clinton, vote for the Green Party, write in Sander's name, these I can at least understand. But vote for Trump to stop Clinton? That is fucking stupid.

[onecaliberal]

11. She CANT beat trump. She should be indicted

She put national security at risk, she is owned by banks and corporations. 67% think she a liar. Her unfavorable among democrats is at an all time high. Get your head out of the sand, we're not a bunch of lemmings.

[MariaThinks]

14. she did nothing of the kind. stop believing republican talking points

if it was a slam dunk, she would have been charged by now.

[SidDithers]

13. There is none...

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the only ones who don't know that are Devine and Weaver, and the Sanders "revolutionaries".

Sid

[Go Vols]

16. This?

In the late 1970s, as large corporations turned into transnational giants, they pumped huge amounts of cash into the political system. This largesse lured, first, the Republican Party, in the 80s, followed by the Democratic Party in the ‘90s, and precipitated a rightward political shift as both parties rewrote their policies to compete for the same corporate contributions.

Before this, from 1932-1976, the Democratic Party as a whole was far more progressive. The issues and approaches advocated today by Bernie Sanders were considered mainstream Democratic ideas by Franklin D. Roosevelt, John F. Kennedy, and Lyndon Johnson, and even many moderate Republicans. It was common to support strict financial regulation, liberal immigration, social services for the poor, and progressive tax policies.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tony-brasunas/there-is-a-moderate-republican-in-this-race_b_9704194.html

[imagine2015]

17. The justification is that Sanders can beat Trump and Secretary Clinton will be buried by Trump.

If Democratic officials want to hand the general election over to Trump all they have to do is vote for Hillary at the convention.

[Old Codger]

18. Probably because

The polls have been miles off already and she is a lot closer to actually losing against trump than they polls show, besides the fact that she is not really good leadership material..

[Doctor_J]

19. because if he becomes president he will attempt to move the country to the left

whereas mrs Clinton will definitely move the country to the right

[Txbluedog]

21. The democratic nominee is simply

The person who leads the pledged delegate count---which is likely to be Hillary Clinton. There is no just argument for nominating anyone else unless a) Bernie Sanders manages to pull ahead in the pledged delegates or b) if Hillary is unwilling or unable to run in the general election.

[Recursion]

22. Well, the argument would be she would lose to Trump and Sanders would beat him

And making that call is pretty much explicitly what the super delegates are for. Now, I think most of them don't think Sanders's polling numbers are solid, but if they did, that's when you would hear that case being made.

[Joe the Revelator]

23. Because he can beat Trump, he can rally democrats and independents as well as get the young to turn

out.

[Txbluedog]

24. Even though he can't get the young to turn out to vote

In the primaries for him?

[Joe the Revelator]

25. They turn out more than they do for Hillary. According to any data you look at.

[Txbluedog]

31. True but not enough to win

He is over 3 mil votes behind so all data points to him not being able to get out the vote as effectively

[Agnosticsherbet]

27. You mean how do you disenfranchise millions of Democrats.

And force the Democratic Party to accept a candidate that could not win their nomination?

[NanceGreggs]

29. Uh, because he is way cool ...

... and all the on-line polls say so.

Just because Hillary has more votes shouldn't be the be-all and end-all. Apparently the majority of Dems who support her don't "get it". So the SDs should hand the nomination to the guy whose fans "get it".

Just a point of clarification: Do the BS supporters who think the SDs should ignore the will of the people and hand the nomination to Bernie NOT realize that would be a de facto "coronation" - something they claim to be against?

[enid602]

30. lawsuits

bern is just counting on the fact that people will realize that nominating him is the only way to avoid additional lawsuits.

[Meteor Man]

34. Deja Vu All Over Again

Because (A) Hillary wins and another Clinton impeachment starts on Day One.

or

Hillary will lose to Trump just like Gore lost to Shrub compelling the DLC to grovel and surrender to The Trump Mandate.

Hillary is a horribly flawed lose/lose candidate.

[Txbluedog]

35. And yet she is winning the primary

The rules of the game are that the person who gets to 2383 delegates wins. If she is flawed and loses a general or is impeached, it was still the will of a majority of the voters of the Democratic Party.

[Meteor Man]

37. Yep. The House Always Wins in Vegas.

And the M$M loves a train wreck. Hillary v. Trump is a media wet dream.

Hillary v. Trump is also a win/win for The Vampire Squid.

Why oh why are the peons complaining about a rigged game?

[grasswire]

36. first and second reasons

first: he's more likely to beat Trump, according to all the polls.

second: he's not under FBI investigation for crimes.