Now I see the Sanders fans vandalized the Dem Party Headquarters!

[riversedge]

So-the Sanders fan had a protest today--SUNDAY and vandalized the building. Shame on them! Do they think this child-like bully behavior is helpful?




Jon Ralston @RalstonReports
Reid talked to his "friend" Bernie and they love each other other and want the Bernie people to behave tomorrow.





Jon Ralston ?@RalstonReports 2m2 minutes ago

I looked from Berniebots to Trumpbots, and from Trumpbots to Berniebots, but already it was impossible to say which was which.
10 retweets 8 likes
Jon Ralston ?@RalstonReports 23m23 minutes ago

Here's another sample of the Sanders protesters' handiwork outside Dem HQ:






Jon Ralston ?@RalstonReports 29m29 minutes ago

Here is how Bernie's NV supporters protested outside state Democratic HQ today -- by scrawling messages on the bldg.



Jon Ralston
?@RalstonReports

Jon Ralston Retweeted Jesus Palma

Bernie folks to protest at Dem HQ. Unity Now!


Jesus Palma
?@JesusPalma

I'll be at the @nvdems HQ for the #NVDemConvention protests at 10AM PST live streaming for @GRForSanders.

[Silver_Witch]

1. Oh for pete's sake - get over it.

It is chalk and will wash right off. Put on your big boy/girl undies and get over yourself. The DNC headquarters is not scared ground. It is called Nonviolent Resistance. We did it to protest War in the 70's.

Really take a deep breath everything will be okay.

[timmymoff]

2. They are constantly poutraged!

[Skwmom]

3. Bring out the fainting couches...

[Sejon]

4. +1

[MineralMan]

5. Still vandalism...

What's next? Poor idea, that. Childish, too.

[ancianita]

15. Washable messages on any surface are not vandalism; a corporate party's tools should see them

when they come to mindlessly work for a corporate government.

Winning by cheating is a market value, not a democratic value.

I don't agree that there will be a "next." Just saying.

[Live and Learn]

121. So let me get this straight, using a private server and exposing government secrets is okay but

writing with chalk now makes one a 'super-predator'. My how the party has changed.

[ancianita]

149. You misunderstand me. I'm agreeing with you.

[Live and Learn]

166. No, I just posted in the wrong place. My reply was meant for Mineral man. nt

[Demsrule86]

138. nobody cheat unless it was Sanders folks

She won Nevada...and someone still has to climb up and wash it...could be carved into the building also Disgraceful behavior but no unexpected from that camp who in my opinion actually hurt their candidate.

[BlueStateLib]

163. Chalking is illegal

Chalking is illegal. UCLA Law Professor Eugene Volokh, who specializes in the First Amendment, says that according to California law, it is.

"California law says that any person who malisciously, with respect to any real or personal property not his or her own, defaces it with inscribed material, is guilty of a crime," Volokh said. "It's clear, from past cases, that includes inscribed material that's relatively easy to wash off."
http://www.scpr.org/blogs/news/2012/07/20/9070/ask-lawyer-chalking-illegal/

[Adaisyifudo]

171. Nevada isn't California

News flash!! California law isn't valid in Nevada.

[Hekate]

181. Try checking Nevada law. Here's a clip from the first google search

Nevada "Graffiti" Laws | NRS 206.330
www.shouselaw.com/nevada/graffiti.html
Nevada law makes it a crime to carry graffiti in certain locations if the carrier ..... 9Sidewalk chalk could land four protestors in jail for a year, Francis McCabe Las ..... more including any modest fees if I had further incidents or needs regarding ...

[Ash_F]

64. It was also a poor idea to break the party's own rules to maintain power

...and prevent change from within. You used to advocate for working within the system.

[bunnies]

67. Next is hopscotch.

Be afraid. Chalk is a gateway weapon.

[nadinbrzezinski]

156. This has been used actually as a defense by defense lawyers in courts

around the nation... there has been a concerted effort to criminalize this since Occupy.

[morningfog]

69. It is not vandalism. No matter how much you want it to be.

[Lordquinton]

114. Do you call the cops on kids playing hopscotch too?

[Hekate]

183. I would if they got in my face and screamed the names that Sen. Boxer was called.

You're welcome. Thanks for asking.

By the way, Nevada graffiti laws can be a bit rigorous. Here's a super-quick snippet right off the google page.

Nevada "Graffiti" Laws | NRS 206.330
www.shouselaw.com/nevada/graffiti.html
Nevada law makes it a crime to carry graffiti in certain locations if the carrier ..... 9Sidewalk chalk could land four protestors in jail for a year, Francis McCabe Las ..... more including any modest fees if I had further incidents or needs regarding ...

[Lordquinton]

186. Except Vegas deemed all sidewalk chalk writing equal

that the police couldn't selectively enforce it.

And Sen. Boxer (Why she was in Nevada I'll never know) spent a good amount of time inciting a riot, which was never delivered, except in the words of reporters who couldn't deliver the evidence they claimed.

[Ken Burch]

134. Not if it's just chalk. And as a fair-minded person, I think you'd have to agree

that the state party had no right to de-credential those 64 Sanders delegates or do all of the other roughshod tactics they used(such as refusing to rule that the Sanders position had won voice votes when it clearly had.

There was no reason for any hardline tactics by the NV Dems against the Sanders campaign, any more than there was for the Mayor Daley and LBJ to do what they did to antiwar Democratic delegates in Chicago.

[riversedge]

17. I would expect Trump fans to do the vandelizing, NOT Democratic Sanders supporters. And your

comment to me was rude.

[morningfog]

68. It's not vandalism, it's chalk. For fucks sake.

Go back to Brock for some better poutrage material.

[Silver_Witch]

75. Your post deserved the response it got

You post on a Democratic site about protests by democrats to democrats. This country is for free speech - be with that my friend. It is what saves us from becoming something quite ugly.

If Hillary is a good candidate she will win and run in the General. The DNC better listen to us Dems who are terrified about where this party is going.

We call that protest...not horrible behavior.

[riversedge]

98. Protests are fine. Vandalizing Democratic Property is NOT. You are Democrats and are approving of

this crap. Shame on you.

[Silver_Witch]

107. No shame on YOU!

You are going on and on about Chalk - Chalk that is easily wiped off and yet have nothing to say about the corruption of the Police at the Convention.

Protests are wonderful!!! And amazing and show we still care.

May that caring never end....may love WIN....may Peace be for all of us.

[riversedge]

111. bye

[puffy socks]

168. Then Sander's supporters

should hike their cabooses over there cleaning supplies in hand and wash it off.
Its so easy after all.

[KingFlorez]

42. I don't care if it washes off. Vandalism is vandalism

[w4rma]

55. You sound just like a Republican. All New Democrats sound like Republicans. (nt)

[KingFlorez]

60. You don't want me to tell you what you sound like, darling

[Logical]

117. Lol, always some tough guy on the Internet! Nt

[Silver_Witch]

82. They really really do.

That is what I find so scary.

[Silver_Witch]

73. It is called Protest.

Have you gone so far to the right that you can't recognize it any longer?

[KingFlorez]

76. Would you be saying that if someone did that to Sanders' headquarters?

I think not.

[Silver_Witch]

85. Yes actually I would be saying the exact same thing!

Especially if it was chalk and easily removed. I once protested a bunch of crazy anti-abortion nuts in DC by splashing their signs with paint that was easily removed with paper towels and water - they wanted me arrested cause I hurt their feelings.

Many of the democrats I respected are beginning to sound like those crazy anti-abortion nuts. YOu are so sad and so hurt by anything that means other democrats don't like your candidate.

Get over it. I don't like Hillary and you don't like Bernie - such is fucking life.

So you and your very tight ass friends go over and chalk up Bernie's headquarters and see how "hurt" we are - cause we won't be.

[KingFlorez]

89. I have more productive things to do than drawing on walls

I filled out my ballot and voted for Hillary Clinton.

[Silver_Witch]

95. Interesting - I filled out my ballot and voted for Bernie

I am glad you voted. That is what is important.

If you don't like drawing on walls, then just don't do that. Don't like abortion - don't agree with it don't have one, don't like smoking - don't light up.

Acting as if this was so horrible act is hyperbole so just let it go.

[Lordquinton]

115. Do you call the cops on kids playing hopscotch?

[puffy socks]

172. Are they chalking up the side of a building and hop scotching?

Are they doing for the purposes of angering people?

Not even remotely the same....but then you knew that already.

[Lordquinton]

173. So it's only vandalism when you don't like it?

They actually struck that down in Vegas not too long ago. All chalk writing has to be treated equally. But you know that since you've been following the situation in Vegas so closely.

[puffy socks]

174. Its vandalism when the intent is to mess things up for the purposes of venting rage or for the kicks

of "getting away" with damage to be an ass.

"But you know that since you've been following the situation in Vegas so closely."



I really couldn't care less, but now that I have been so informed. pity Las Vegas is such a cess pool and allows that.

[Lordquinton]

175. Yea, pity Vegas treats all speech the same

and doesn't discriminate based on if they like it or not.

Anyways, this is hilarious how much of a stink people are making over chalk. Well, it would be if it weren't so shameful.

[puffy socks]

185. Yeah

I'll bet it goes over well when bullies chalk 'slut' , 'whore' and other nasty messages on the sidewalks in front of their victim's houses as a form of harassment. It doesn't just easily wash off. and there's no recourse.


No ones making a stink about the chalk itself and you know it. This wasn't art , this wasn't hopscotch, the intentions were to be nasty.

I realize the justifications will continue.

onward HO! on the Bernie bull--i- Brigade!

[Sheepshank]

78. Entitled pissants, make a mess and walk away

...and leave their crap for those less fortunate working stiffs to clean up after them.

They care for those with less? Really!

[Silver_Witch]

87. It is called Job Security

How many fucking messes do I clean-up a day. Untold actually. Get over it. You will be okay and the workers will be okay....and maybe there will be freedom in the end.

[Sheepshank]

110. No it not job security...its adding unnecessary work

Justifying the entitled, spoiled actions, and even worse justifying the added labor to those that had to clean up, is pretty pathetic.

[Demsrule86]

139. It is called disrespectful and rude

My kids would not behave that way ...and two of three were Sanders supporters...their allegiance has been wavering because of stories like this. My kids work and go to school by the way and have no time for this sort of nonsense.

[Silver_Witch]

157. It is called protest pure and simple.

Congratulations on your children and their success. You should be very proud.

[Demsrule86]

164. Thanks!

They are smart kids...2 of the 3 are Bernie supporters...which is fine with me. My other daughter likes both. They will vote for Hillary in the fall. We go to protests all the time ( slut walk, abortion rights,police shootings in Cleveland,gay marriage, )...but we don't act in rude disrespectful ways. Cleveland is a wonderful city with many opportunities to help. Right now we are gearing up for the damn GOP convention which since these losers can't get backing is going to be funded by the taxpayers...these things always lose money...hate Kasich and his minions.

[snowy owl]

120. Thank you Progressives for making a ruckus in the face of corruption. Good job.

Wish more Americans would combat political corruption. We might be a democracy again.

[whistler162]

145. And since it doesn't rain in Las Vegas

it is permanent!

THE HORROR!!!!!

[JimDandy]

182. I know. Gunshots in Sanders headquarters - chalk on NV Dem headquarters...

Hmmm, whose supporters committed the real act of violence?

[Loudestlib]

6. I've got you covered.

[link:
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[morningfog]

7. Lol.

[Meteor Man]

8. Chalk!

Really? Chalk talk is now vandalism? Can we get any more hysterical about trivialities?

[Arkansas Granny]

29. Despite being easily cleaned, it is as much vandalism as spray painted graffiti.

Property was defaced.

[pangaia]

33. Human beings were defaced inside by Boxer et al.

[riversedge]

40. Your post is one of silliest of the day and there have been lots of crappy posts from

Sanders fans.

[AgingAmerican]

59. I see your tweet and raise you a facebook post

[morningfog]

70. You are wrong.

[Arkansas Granny]

79. Nope. Not wrong.

Vandalism is "action involving deliberate destruction of or damage to public or private property".[1]

The term includes criminal damage such as graffiti and defacement directed towards any property without permission of the owner.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandalism

vandalism
Vandalism is the destruction of someone else's property. Some people think of graffiti as public art, while others dismiss it as nothing but vandalism.

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/vandalism

van·dal·ism (văn?dl-ĭz?əm)
n.
Willful or malicious damage or destruction of the property of another.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/vandalism

[morningfog]

81. No destruction, no damage.

[Arkansas Granny]

83. Someone will have to pay to clean it. That is called damages.

[morningfog]

86. Lol. It's probably terrorism, intimidation, threats and coercion too, right?

Y'all are off ya rockers.

[Arkansas Granny]

97. It's breaking the law and you're condoning it.

[morningfog]

99. Name the Nevada criminal statute it is in violation of.

[Arkansas Granny]

109. Nope. I'm not jumping through hoops for you.

It's vandalism, it's against the law, I know it, you know it. To prolong this conversation is pointless. Good evening.

[morningfog]

113. You saying it is a crime is meaningless. It's goddamned chalk. Grow up.

[nadinbrzezinski]

165. I showed my local case that went against the City Attorney

and here is a federal one

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-13/news/os-chalk-protester-wins-federal-lawsuit-20120413_1_chalk-free-speech-first-arrest

This is triggering, not kidding, memories of OCCUPY. Conservatives have been trying to criminalize protest for a while. That includes chalk. Fortunately the courts have said not so fast.

[Fawke Em]

123. They can just call the police to hose the protesters.

That'll clean it and make you authoritarians very happy.

[Silver_Witch]

93. "Destruction" - the property was not Destroyed.

Here since you like truth!

Destruction "the action or process of causing so much damage to something that it no longer exists or cannot be repaired."

You sound like a conservative now my friend. You really think this property was DESTROYED????

Please take a deep breath and get over all this turn to the right - come back to the left - we want you!!!

[nadinbrzezinski]

158. Key word in the statue: PERMAMENT

Chalk is not permanent.

[Silver_Witch]

90. Oh NOOOOOO property has been defaced.

You sound just like a republican. This is what FREEDOM looks like - unlike the DNC bringing in 10 police to "guard" the Nevada convention. Hillary's machine is looking more and more fascist every day.

That should scare you - not chalk.

[MrMickeysMom]

92. No, it wasn't

That is precisely why chalk would have been used. Unlike spray paint messages, these are meant to get the attention they deserve and then wash off.

Looks like the message worked. You and I can see how an unfair election process will be dealt with. I personally hope this discussion goes where it should be... HOW AN UNFAIR ELECTION PROCESS WILL BE DEALT WITH.

[Lordquinton]

116. Do you call the cops on kids playing hopscotch?

[Meteor Man]

125. Zero Tolerance for Free Speech

Is this your considered legal opinion Granny?

[nadinbrzezinski]

128. Take it up with the courts

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-chalk-verdict-20130701-story.html

This has been argued wrongly due to occupy.

Chalk is not vandalism.

[politicaljunkie41910]

106. If some street hoodlums did it to your house, I'd bet you'd be singing a different tune.

And don't tell me that the DNC HQs is not a house. It's still private property just like your house is and no one should be vandalizing private property. If the thugs are so proud of the work and insist that it will clean up easily, why didn't they hang around to take credit for it?

[nadinbrzezinski]

130. You might

But it us not vandalism.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-chalk-verdict-20130701-story.html

[uponit7771]

9. Yeap, if they're doing this right now what are they going to be doing when he endorses Hillary?!?!?

[Silver_Witch]

96. I don't think he will endorse Hillary...

I do think he will concede if he looses at some point. I think he will do as the party wishes and tell his supporters to support the democratic candidate and then he will go on to do better things. As will all of us.

This is not over if/when Hillary gets the GE...it is just the beginning - get used to the loud Democratic Voices decrying the unfairness of this election and our actions to change it to represent real Liberal and Progressive people.

We will work to get the party back on track and turn away from selfishness, greed and conversationism.

[uponit7771]

133. If he doesn't endorse Hillary and strongly campaign for her then he'll only establish what many ...

... thought of him in the first place that he was in it to progress the country but an agenda.

It'd be nice if life was about clear choices, it's not...

When it comes to humans the RULE is having to choose between two fucked up people and not two people you'd want to have a revolution or a beer or a sit down with...

The exceptions are JFK or Obama which both having the levels of being fucked up too...

None of the Sanders camp would ever vote for a union busting president who rounded up people because of their race and that was FDR all day long.

Sanders should not only endorse Hillary but campaign strongly for her, I like many gen-xrs are new to the far left / progressive / socialist... I'm already soured on the Naders and Sanders ... he acts like that towards her then I'm done with them

[Silver_Witch]

160. Perhaps you don't understand....

When you stand for an idea you don't turn you back on it. Bernie may concede but I doubt he will campaign for her.

Do you want democrats to be republicans where they are a standing behind Trump even though he is disgusting and generating hatred and ugliness! Of course not. You want those republicans to declare him for who he is a man not fit for office!

I don't believe Hillary is as bad as trump but I would certainly not campaign for here!

[Barack_America]

10. Dear God, not sidewalk chalk!

They'll just have to demolish the building and start over.

Hey, let's demolish the whole fucking party and start over!

[Doctor Jack]

12. Demolish the whole party?

The hyperbole is strong with this one

[Doctor Jack]

11. Kind of rude but file this one under "who cares?" n/t

[sufrommich]

13. "I looked from Berniebots to Trumpbots, and from Trumpbots to Berniebots,

but already it was impossible to say which was which."



Well done,Mr. Ralston.

[BootinUp]

22. lol nt

[Mark 750]

14. This defacing is nothing compared to what happened to democracy Saturday

I was a Bernie State delegate at the convention Saturday. Here is a press release from the Nevada Bernie Grassroots: ALLEGATIONS OF GROSS CORRUPTION NEARLY CAUSE A RIOT AT THE NEVADA STATE DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION

Las Vegas, NV – The day after a Nevada judge ruled that there was no cause for a court to interfere in the affairs of the Nevada State Democratic Party, State Party Chair Roberta Lange had to flee the State Democratic Convention after her mismanagement of the convention caused a near riot.

Delegates from the convention reported instances in which Lange repeatedly ignored petitions, motions from the floor, and even appeared to rule against the clear majority in multiple voice votes, leading to a convention full of enraged and shocked delegates.

The trouble began when Lange opened the convention and moved to approve her own self-written temporary rules of order, which had been the subject of some controversy. Although video suggests that the voice vote to approve the rules was overwhelmingly against, she nonetheless called the motion as passed, inciting the first disruption of the convention. Later, although Sanders delegates were able to raise multiple petitions with double the amount required signatures to bring motions to the floor, Lange refused to hear the motions, causing more frustration among Sanders supporters.

In addition, party members of the credentials committee pulled the credentials of sixty-four Sanders delegates, refusing to hold hearings on their delegate status, which is an otherwise normal procedure at any democratic convention. These delegates were previously registered as democrats and served as county delegates (a requirement to participate at the state level), but for some unknown reason their status as registered democrats had changed or was unclear, and they were never given a chance to reconcile the situation.

Per democratic convention procedure, a Minority Report was produced by credentials committee member Leslie Sexton to formally disagree with the credentials report and inform the room of the sixty-four delegate credentials in question. Roberta Lange refused to allow Sexton to announce the Minority Report to the convention attendees. It wasn’t until DNC member Andres Ramirez, who, as a member of the party committee is allowed to speak on the microphone, stole the microphone from Lange and declared his right to announce the Minority Report, and deferred to Sexton to read the report.

After 12+ hours of convention voting, patient Sanders supporters waited for the appropriate step in the convention process per rules and bylaws to motion for a recount by headcount, after the Party did not bring the count up for approval via vote. The motion was ignored with Lange claiming she couldn’t hear the motion coming from the floor. Frustrated by several attempts to motion that were ignored or unheard by Lange and the committee, Bernie grassroots leader Angie Morelli responded to her claim by using a megaphone to announce the motion for a headcount. Lange responded by requesting security to confiscate the megaphone, who then threatened to have her permanently 86’d from all Caesar’s properties for use of the megaphone. Further attempts to motion for a headcount, or any other motion, were not acknowledged by Lange.

The most shocking moment of the night came when Congressional Candidate Jesse Sbaih, while giving a stump speech from the stage, used his allotted time to motion for a headcount vote. The crowd erupted in cheers, while Vice Chair Chris Wicker appeared to panic. Rather than request a 2nd to the motion and hold the headcount vote, the party leadership conferred. Lange then ran to the podium and motioned for the convention to be adjourned. With remaining Sanders supporters vastly outnumbering Hillary supporters at around 11:00pm, the voice vote against the motion to adjourn by Sanders supporters was overwhelmingly against the motion. Lange again refused to acknowledge the correct voice vote results and declared her motion to adjourn to have passed. She immediately fled the stage, and moments later police flooded the convention floor to remove remaining convention attendees.

In the week leading up to the convention, the state party had been defending against allegations that they had manipulated the rules to prevent the Sanders majority from taking control of the party leadership by blocking Sanders nominees to Party leadership positions. The party dismissed the allegations as the rantings of “disgruntled activists”

However, the allegations took on a new light after a convention that could best be described as a disgrace. Lange’s repeated steamrolling of convention procedure and disregard for the spirit of democracy have effectively killed any chance of party unity or inclusion.



Also, please beware that Jon Ralston's reporting is so biased. He's a regular on MSNBC for Nevada and wants to feed on Comcast's gravy train and move to D.C. Here's some video's of democracy in action:

http://heavy.com/news/2016/05/nevada-democratic-co...

[pangaia]

35. THAT was the true vandalism.

[Jackilope]

37. +1000 n/t

[Kittycat]

39. •••• read for democracy ••••

Or cry over chalk.

[SusanCalvin]

44. Very interesting. Thank you. nt

[beedle]

50. Seems to jive with this interpretation of events as well.

&feature=youtu.be

P.S. if you've not already, you should make your post an OP. It deserves its own thread.

[Silver_Witch]

100. Thank you for this post!

It should be a thread really. But the Hillary Supporters won't care that it is unfair or demonstrates the corruption in our party...as apparently all of them are fine with us becoming the New Republican Party.

[lumberjack_jeff]

159. Democracy, Clinton style nt

[WhiteTara]

161. This post exceeds 4 paragraphs and

is violation of copyright rules. Please edit your post to comply with DU rules.

[ReasonableToo]

190. +++++

[AgingAmerican]

16. Oh look! No link!

[riversedge]

19. They are tweets. NOW you know.

[AgingAmerican]

20. Anyone can tweet anything

Tweets aren't news

[Hare Krishna]

24. I just sent out a tweet that I farted.

It made national news.

[riversedge]

25. They are when a reporter tweets them as Jon Ralston did today after the Bernie fans had

another protest--and a bully tantrum. Your post shows your desperation and its not pretty.

[AgingAmerican]

57. Actually your posting tweets as if they are news shows your desperation

Cuz that's all you got

[.99center]

18. Smells Rovarian

Why would they use washable chalk? It would be pretty low to fake this sort of thing.

[timmymoff]

21. Yea it would almost be as bad as lying about

Sanders supporters yelling English only. Oh wait, they did that in NV also.

[dflprincess]

34. Or Brock like.

[hellofromreddit]

23. Chalk? CHALK!?! OHMYGODTHEHUMANITY!!!

Seriously, it's chalk.

[riversedge]

27. So you approve of this vandalism!! Shameful

[hellofromreddit]

31. It's not vandalism (it's chalk) and I 100% approve of protest.

The chair grossly mismanaged the convention and earned this blow back. The DNC's best bet is to honestly address the problem instead of trying to silence people through tsk tsk and shame.

Lots of Hillary delegates knew it was bullshit too.

[NurseJackie]

147. If it defaces the property, it's vandalism. Egging is also vandalism. TP-ing a tree is vandalism.

What a childish display. No wonder you guys are losing. All this "energy" and "effort" should have (could have) been used much earlier to achieve positive results. Now? Not so much. You're setting yourselves back and appear to be happy about it ... and in four years, you'll all be scratching your heads while wondering "how come nobody takes us seriously".

[dflprincess]

36. Oh please, it's chalk

vandalism implies actual damage was done.

When I was in grade school our teachers would have us take the blackboard erasers outside and bang them against the school building to clean them. I don't think their intent was to have us damage the building with chalk dust.

[Fawke Em]

124. You mean you weren't charged with vandalism?

[dflprincess]

170. No

not were our teachers accused of contributing to our delinquency.

[morningfog]

71. No vandalism, get a fucking clue.

[bahrbearian]

26. My God , Think of the Children

[Biaviians]

80. Haha

[Trust Buster]

28. Those vandals are just losers who can't deal with the fact that they lost.

[Historic NY]

30. Douchebags.........

[mcar]

32. This is infantile!

What do these idiots expect will happen from this? None of this makes any sense at all.

[riversedge]

38. And look at all the Sanders fans supporting this crap!!

[Kittycat]

41. Look at HRC fans supporting corruption & cheating

But freaking out over chalk. Quick, get the hoses. Right?

[fun n serious]

43. Hillary won the popular vote. The cheating and trying to flip delegates is what Bernie is trying

:large

[Kittycat]

46. Cool story. Is that a BrockBro?

Here's what happened.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1968835

[fun n serious]

84. Nope. That post is not credible

Hillary won NV with the popular vote originally. Shenanigans happened in April by Bernie camp it's well documented. They tried to do it again but it did not work. The people of AZ voted. Trying to flip delegates by cheating is something your peeps are doing.

[redstateblues]

52. Corruption? Bernie could not name one instance of corruption in the last debate

After railing about it for the last year

[Kittycat]

53. Let's start with last night.

[timmymoff]

77. He couldn't or didn't?

Seems Elizabeth Warren could. Maybe Bernie just kept up with the kid gloves routine. Oh she's been vetted though, so he certainly couldn't harm her could he? You guys are consistent only in your inconsistency.

[mcar]

51. If Bernie's supporters try to cheat, it's democracy!!11

If Hillary legitimately wins, it's cheating.

Hard to keep track, sometimes.

[Iliyah]

162. Ditto!

[Silver_Witch]

103. And look at the Hillary Supporters Supporting Corruption.

That is what is terrifying.

Blinded and cannot see.

[KingFlorez]

45. These people are not playing with a full deck

There is no telling what they will do next. They could seriously end up hurting someone and dismissing it as being for "democracy" and "for Bernie".

[Kittycat]

47. They might end up putting the chalk on the sidewalk!

THE HORROR!!!!11!!eleven!!

[KingFlorez]

48. It's the principle

I happen to have principles, so I see this sort of thing as a problem. But it's ok, this brings a great amount of truth to light.

[Kittycat]

49. Then clearly you have a problem with how

The NV Chair conducted business yesterday. One doesn't have to be on anyone's side to see she didn't follow rules, ignored motions, overruled voice majority votes, etc. She created the situation that led to the protest, by silencing voices and votes.

[KingFlorez]

56. People who weren't registered and refused to show proof were disqualified

Seems like that complies well with the rules. To participate in the convention, you had to be a registered Democrat by a certain date.

Drawing on walls certainly isn't going to advance your cause.

[timmymoff]

61. You mean people who had their registrations switched etc

happened to one of the members of DU in Iowa , of course another Bernie delegate, but hey , everyone's lying Camp weathervane is pure as new fallen snow

[brooklynite]

63. ...and the Government of Nevada, which has access to the voting records is Republican...

...so OF COURSE the Clinton Campaign is to blame...

[timmymoff]

65. Seems to be a lot more irregularities in the dems districts and they always benefit clinton

even six out of six coin tosses , nothing seems awry. It isn't about republican and dem this time it's about their bosses! things you fail to understand or choose not to understand. I am kind of busy right now I am eating dinner with 37 super delegate friends of mine, they just told me Clinton is suspicious. No idea what they mean by that.

[beedle]

58. Hey, let's not push our luck ..

... we've finally found a Hillary supporter with A principle ... asking them to have two principles in on day might be asking too much.

At least we know now that when Hillary loses to Trump in Nov, Sander's supporters will be free from any fears of chalk damage.

[Kittycat]

62. I will need to remind my son to be careful

When he chalks up the sidewalk, not to go over our half of the last connecting block with our neighbor. Wouldn't want to be threatened with vandalism

[morningfog]

74. You have fainting couches, pearls to clutch and panties to wad.

Trying to make it in to more than it is. Just like rat fucker Brock.

[morningfog]

72. I shudder to think of a drive by chalking.

[beedle]

54. Oh My ... I certainly hope there was no chalk dust

that accidentally seeped into Hillary's campaign office, which she she just so happens to (innocently I assume?) share with the NV Democratic Party office.

https://www.rt.com/usa/327290-hillary-bernie-office-conspiracy/

[bunnies]

66. Kids play hopscotch drawn in chalk on public roads.

Fucking vandals defaced the street. Punish them!

[nadinbrzezinski]

88. This is not what you call it.

And there is legal precedent

I will get you legal case. It is not vandalism

Here, one of many cases

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-chalk-verdict-20130701-story.html

[Maru Kitteh]

140. Well if it was fucking California, that might be relevant. It's not.

And from that same article "But courts have held that graffiti remains illegal even if it can be easily washed off, Goldsmith said."

It remains illegal.

Plus that case was about the public sidewalk outside the building, not the face so still more irrelevant.

[nadinbrzezinski]

152. Let me find you a case in vegas

Here a case for you

http://www.businessinsider.com/protestors-in-nevada-used-sidewalk-chalk-2013-8

http://www.citylab.com/crime/2015/05/where-sidewalk-chalk-laws-clash-with-free-speech/393041/

You guys remind me of the many folks who want to stop free expression... it is rather conservative. And yes if HRC supporters did this at the local BERNIE HQ, I would have no issue with it. After all it is free speech.

And no the law is not on your side, here is a FEDERAL case

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-13/news/os-chalk-protester-wins-federal-lawsuit-20120413_1_chalk-free-speech-first-arrest

[Joe the Revelator]

91. Yeah that chalk is going to cost a ton to take out.

Change isn't pretty.

[jillan]

94. Lol!!! I clicked on this thread thinking I would see broken windows or overturned cars

But instead I see chalk

[agracie]

101. I bet they used special Bernie Chalk that can't ever be removed.

[ucrdem]

104. Vandalism. It might be easily hosed off, but it might not be.

Somebody has to hire or buy a pressure hose. A permit might be required. What if the mess stains the stucco? What if the pressure hose knocks off some of the stucco? This was really a dumb idea and NOT civil disobedience which is basically non-violent physical protest. This is property destruction which is vandalism.

[Lordquinton]

118. It's chalk

The display of ignorance about how easy it is to remove chalk encapsulates the out of touch position that Hillary is in.

[ucrdem]

119. It's chalk on a finished surface. Walls are not sidewalks. They're visible and privately owned.

And there's no telling what effect the chalk and removal process will have on those surfaces which in all likelihood will need to be repainted when all is said and done.

That's vandalism.

[nadinbrzezinski]

155. We had these issues argued in San Diego court

more than once, and paint can be washed off. Trust me, at most they will need a tad more power on the hose. This will not be permanent. Or rather as permanent as Freedom Plaza in San Diego, or a bank. Oh wait the only permanent record is in my HD, in photos.

What should be of concern is that many district attorneys and city attorneys have tried to criminalize this, since Occupy, and he courts keep telling them to buzz off.

[TheFarS1de]

169. 10 seconds with a broom and a hose .

A lot less time to clean up than the moaning and bitching about legitimate protest . They should start issuing brown shirts for you lot .

[nadinbrzezinski]

129. Courts have ruled on shit like this

Here, example.

It is not vandalism

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-chalk-verdict-20130701-story.html

[ucrdem]

132. That was a sidewalk in front of a bank. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

151. It is one of the many cases my city attorney has tried to criminalize

and has been repeatedly told to quit it.

[Maru Kitteh]

141. For somebody who doesn't care you sure care a lot. And you're wrong.

From that same article "But courts have held that graffiti remains illegal even if it can be easily washed off, Goldsmith said."

It remains illegal.

Plus that case was about the public sidewalk outside the building, not the face so still more irrelevant.

[nadinbrzezinski]

150. That would be Jan Goldsmith, my city attorney

who is regularly wrong and the courts have told him such on these issues. He has been on a vendetta due to Occupy San Diego since 2013. He has been trying to criminalize the use of chalk since occupy and the courts keep rebuffing him. Learn the dynamics. Fortunately he will soon stop wasting time and money on these cases, he is termed out.

[Agnosticsherbet]

105. Destruction of Property. Let's see if Sanders will lead and call his followers to task.

[Thinkingabout]

108. Do we need leaders which does not disrupt such behavior? No we don't,

We need a leader who leads, stands up for professional responses.

[Ferd Berfel]

112. I"ve been watching DWS, Clinton and her supporters vandalize democracy and the Party for years now

But that seems to be OK with some.

I dont' condone the graffiti, it dosent' help. The frustration could manifest in worse ways though.

[riversedge]

187. You sure do make crap up and pass it off as the truth. LOL

[Norrin Radd]

122. Some "underground."

Worried about a little outsider art/protest art.

[silvershadow]

126. Do you have a link that actually substantiates your claim? nt

[northernsouthern]

127. What the heck is wrong with you!?!

They stole the election and cheated in the convention...and you are upset over sidewalk chalk! You have to be kidding me! No broken glass? You do know sidewalk chalk is made to be cleaned off? This is the most pathetic complaint I have ever read!!!!

[Warren DeMontague]

131. Sidewalk Chalk?

[Ken Burch]

135. Washable chalk is not vandalism.

And the NV Dems had no grounds for de-credentialing those 64 Sanders delegates or for refusing to recognize that the clear Sanders victories on all the voice votes.

[betsuni]

136. True revolutionaries use paint.

[NurseJackie]

148. There's NEVER a bad time for a little Monty Python!

[Buns_of_Fire]

137. Jeeves, bring my pearls and dust off the fainting couch!

I DO believe I feel an attack of the vapors coming on!

(How wussified do you have to be to get upset over sidewalk chalk?)

[Vattel]

142. Think about all the babies that graffiti kiled!

[riversedge]

154. Your post is something I would see from a Trump fan.

[Vinca]

143. Well, the messages do make a point.

I don't agree with the mode of delivery, but it's not the end of the world. It looks like chalk so it'll wash off.

[J_J_]

144. Get off of my lawn!

Do Hillary supporters also yell at children when they are doing their cute little chalk drawings on the sidewalk of rainbows and flowers?

What a bunch of sore cheaters!

[Gothmog]

146. This vandalism is sad

[workinclasszero]

153. I hope Democrat's that vote in these last primaries

Get a good look at the chaos, violence and vandalism of the last few days and vote accordingly.

[derpderpderp]

176. It's just chalk. Do you want to arrest kids that draw hopscotch on the sidewalk? Jeesh!

[ucrdem]

177. When they do it their school they get expelled.

Right?

[derpderpderp]

179. My kids' school hands out chalk at recess so they can draw on the sidewalks.

I have lots of pics of their artwork before the rain washes it away.

[ucrdem]

180. We're not talking about the sidewalks.

And we're not talking about kids:

[derpderpderp]

184. I see it more as graffiti than vandalism since vandalism is destruction. To each his own.

[ucrdem]

188. "Happy Birthday" = not vandalism. "You are scum" = vandalism. nt

[Agschmid]

189. Yeah it's a cycle which never ends.

[RufusTFirefly]

178. Another fine product...

https://m.

[TimPlo]

191. So all I see in this post are pictures of words

Where are the links showing that this was Sanders supporters? You say you see Sanders supporters doing it. You might want to contact the police if you saw them do it as I am sure they would want to arrested them.

[Katashi_itto]

192. Your screaming about Chalk?

[Bill USA]

193. Trick photos!!!! --obviously, the work of Tools of the Establishment!!

[LadyHawkAZ]

194. Any bullet holes? n/t

[Gothmog]

195. These acts of vandalism are unacceptable