Hillary Is Repeating the Auto Industry Bailout Lie As She Campaigns in Kentucky

[amborin]

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[NewImproved Deal]

1. She never "Lies". She Misspeaks, or misremembers or misrecalls...

[-none]

2. Or just plain misses.

[pdsimdars]

9. And it's called "lying" in the common tongue. Lying right to your face with real conviction.

Who know, maybe some day she'll actually be a real convict.

[CorporatistNation]

54. Hillary Is Especially Adept at That!

[Hortensis]

36. It's not a lie, though. It's very slightly complex truth

that is therefore slightly tricky to make people understand. Bernie voted not to fund the bill that included rescuing the auto companies.

A standard GOP trick for killing progressive initiatives that Bernie supporters have no difficulty recognizing for what it is when they want to.

[Hoyt]

3. What Lie? Sanders' wants to bail out other industries by imposing tariffs to keep jobs here.

Letting the auto industry go under a few years ago, would not have been wise and was a smart investment -- that was repaid.

[RKP5637]

6. Letting the US auto industry go under would have been a huge mistake and a disaster. Yep,

the right thing was done!

[BootinUp]

10. +1

[Hortensis]

37. +1.

[Armstead]

43. He didn't oppose the auto bailout. he wanted to separate it form the Bank bailout

Perfectly reasonable.

Two separate issues should have been two separate votes.

But you knew that.

[Hoyt]

50. Is that the the "lie?"

[Armstead]

55. Saying it without any context is certainly a lie

"he voted against the auto bailout" implying he was opposed to the auto bailout and wanted to let it die. yes it is a blatant shitty and deliberate lie by omission, yes.

That kind of crap is one reason I, er, am not kindly disposed towards the former Secretary.

[Hoyt]

56. He did vote against it, because of his hatred for banks. Luckily others weren't so stupid at

the time.

[Armstead]

57. It could have been seperated....but they had to use the old slight of hand...

I know...politics as usual.

But she should not fucking lie about it.

Truth will be in very short supply from the WH for the next eight years.

And I don't even want to think of what is likely to go on behind the scenes.

[Skwmom]

4. It doesn't matter if they are called out on a lie, they will continue to repeat a lie.

[kstewart33]

5. Another Hillary attack?

Geez, this is getting so tiring.

[SFnomad]

14. 23 days and counting

Skinner won't be able to let this crap continue on after Secretary Clinton has clinched the nomination

[Hare Krishna]

32. You'll have to wait a bit longer than that.

Less than 60 days then you can celebrate the true standard bearer of the Democratic Party after a roll call is completed and it is discovered that many Clinton delegates didn't even meet the majority of the pledged delegates, and Bernie does.

[SFnomad]

34. June 7th Secretary Clinton will have enough delegates for the nomination (pledged + super)

believing anything else will be delusional. If BS decides to draw it out all the way to the convention, Secretary Clinton will have the nomination on the first ballot.

[silvershadow]

7. She is still evolving?

[NewImproved Deal]

15. She has "Evolved" from Goldwater Girl to Goldman Sachs shill...

And dragged the Democratic Party down with her...

[link:|

[BootinUp]

8. So what is the Bern Squad spin on that?

[pdsimdars]

11. Spin on lying? We don't need to spin on lying or explain lying, Bernie doesn't do it.

Hillary supporters are the ones who need to keep rationalizing and making excuses, because she is CONSTANTLY LYING.

Classic, landing under sniper fire.
Latest, FBI doesn't do "security reviews", they do investigations. So says Comey.
Auto bailout lie, Forbes called her out on that one.

SHE CAN'T STOP LYING, because that's all she has.

[BootinUp]

13. Yes, yes, obviously... cough. But explain how it was lied about.

[pdsimdars]

58. Go do your reaserch. Forbes called her out on it. You'd think you would want to look things up

before simply parroting Hillary's talking points. Or don't you care about the truth?

[Octafish]

12. The $350 billion dollar Detroit bailout?

Give or take $350 billion.

It was all over the airwaves the day before the primary along with a clip saying Bernie voted against it.

[Demsrule86]

19. so Bernie supporters were against helping autos.

I see.

[Octafish]

22. No. That is the lie Hillary radio saturation ads were repeating in Michigan.

Heard this commercial at least ten times that Monday while driving around Michigan:

Came Through

Narrator: It wasn’t long ago. The auto industry was on the verge of collapse. Major American companies about to be liquidated. Millions of jobs were at risk. Michigan's economy was teetering. America’s auto companies asked for help. And President Obama came though. Now …in Sunday’s debate …we learn only one candidate for president supported him. Hillary Clinton.

Hillary Clinton: When it came down to it, you were either for saving the auto industry or you were against it. I voted to save the auto industry.

Narrator: And she was right. Today the auto industry is thriving and millions of people have jobs who could have lost them, jobs in manufacturing, technology, jobs up and down the supply chain. On Tuesday, March 8th, vote for the one candidate who stood up for the auto industry……and came through for Michigan …when it really mattered. Hillary Clinton.

SOURCE: http://blog.4president.org/2016/2016/03/new-hillary-clinton-2016-radio-ad-came-through.html

It was a low shot...a torpedo aimed below the waterline...with no mention of the UNAUDITED and FORGIVING FOUL BANKSTER BAILOUT which cost the nation about $16 Trillion actuall the taxpayers, not the billionaires who stole it.

[Attorney in Texas]

16. What do you expect? The truth doesn't work for her and she's happier with a lie than the truth so

this is a no-brainer for team Hillary.

[Ferd Berfel]

33. Just like republicans

huh....

can you imagine?

[Demsrule86]

17. It is not a lie

hubs worked for GM...Sanders voted against the final bill...had it failed the autos would have gone under....the banks got money and St Bernie could not live with that so...thousands of jobs would have gone...the President used capital for this..bailouts were unpopular. Bernie Sanders stabbed the auto union and the autos in the back. What would have happened if we lost all those jobs...a depression most likely. This is why I don't think Bernie would be a good president. He has no judgement. He has an obsession with one thing only. There is a GM plant in Kentucky.

[LisaM]

27. It is NOT a lie

He voted against the final bill and the pretzel logic of insisting he didn't eludes me. How did he manage to reverse the reality here?

[beastie boy]

18. Does she have no shame? Everybody knows it was Bernie who bailed out the auto industry!

[rbrnmw]

20. Are you effing serious?

Everybody knows it was Bernie who bailed out the auto industry!

[Demsrule86]

23. He voted against the final bill

Had it failed...there would not have been another...they barely got that one through...as voters were bailout-weary.

[Demsrule86]

28. From Fact Check

Jan. 15, 2009: The Senate fails to pass a resolution that would have blocked the second installment of TARP funds. Sanders voted to block the release of the $350 billion, which as we said included $4 billion for the auto industry. On the Senate floor, Michigan Sen. Carl Levin urged his Senate colleagues to vote against the resolution and to provide the remaining $4 billion for the auto industry. “We must complete the job started in December and ensure that the additional funding necessary for the financial health of this critical U.S. industry is provided in a timely manner,” Levin said.
We asked the Sanders campaign about the senator’s claim that there was only “one vote in the United States Senate on whether or not to support the auto bailout.” Warren Gunnels, a policy director for the Sanders campaign, said the senator’s remarks were “based on your fact check.” But our fact-check mentioned two Senate votes that were designed to provide funding for the auto industry — not just the one that Sanders now cites as the only vote.
Gunnels also said Sanders “never believed that the [TARP] money would be used for the auto industry.” Gunnels can safely say that about the first TARP vote in October 2008, and he can also safely say that Sanders could not envision that ultimately Bush and Obama combined would use about $80 billion of TARP funds for the auto industry. But Gunnels cannot plausibly say that Sanders did not know that the second vote in January 2009 did not contain funding for the auto industry. As we said, Levin spoke on the Senate floor about the auto industry, saying “this additional $4 billion must come from the second $350 billion.”

[beastie boy]

30. Oh c'mon guys, do I have to put :sarcasm: in every one of my posts?

OK, I know how to fix it. I am putting it in my signature line!

[doc03]

21. What lie would that be I don't see any evidence of what she said?

Where are the links? It would be nice to know what the f--- you are talking about.

[Mnpaul]

42. They don't want to give you a link

because it doesn't support their claims
http://www.factcheck.org/2016/03/factchecking-the-seventh-democratic-debate/

[doc03]

51. There you go that sums up the whole problem with Bernies' supporters no

compromise got to have it all mentality. There was a plan to save the auto industry but rather than support it he goes for
the perfect that would have had zero chance of ever getting enacted, that may make them feel good but it doesn't help anyone.
His supporters have this pipe dream of a Socialist revolution that happen as soon as he gets elected. Sometimes you have to compromise to make progress like President Obama has done. You can't turn the USA on a dime it takes small steps over time to make progress.

[Mnpaul]

52. No, it sums up the problem in Washington

We can't bailout the auto industry unless Wall St. gets a pile of cash as well. It's just like the Republicans here in Mn. who held up an unemployment extension for laid iron workers by attaching a tax cut package to it. The letter asking for Sanders vote made no mention of the funds going to the auto industry. It said none of the funds shall be used for industrial policy.

[djean111]

24. That is because Hillary is a liar. n/t

[FlatBaroque]

25. She no longer has any idea what the actual truth is.

#Clintonism

[Demsrule86]

40. You all say she lied

I provided proof she didn't...this is the Sanders campaign...

[Demsrule86]

26. Link to Sander's vote?

I already checked and would be happy to send you a link...He voted against the final bill. The autos would have failed if that had not gone through.

[Demsrule86]

29. Bernie is lying

I posted the truth below...there were two votes...one in December and one in January...Bernie voted against the autos the second and most important time...he says there was one vote there were two votes...thus, he lied.

Jan. 15, 2009: The Senate fails to pass a resolution that would have blocked the second installment of TARP funds. Sanders voted to block the release of the $350 billion, which as we said included $4 billion for the auto industry. On the Senate floor, Michigan Sen. Carl Levin urged his Senate colleagues to vote against the resolution and to provide the remaining $4 billion for the auto industry. “We must complete the job started in December and ensure that the additional funding necessary for the financial health of this critical U.S. industry is provided in a timely manner,” Levin said.
We asked the Sanders campaign about the senator’s claim that there was only “one vote in the United States Senate on whether or not to support the auto bailout.” Warren Gunnels, a policy director for the Sanders campaign, said the senator’s remarks were “based on your fact check.” But our fact-check mentioned two Senate votes that were designed to provide funding for the auto industry — not just the one that Sanders now cites as the only vote.
Gunnels also said Sanders “never believed that the [TARP] money would be used for the auto industry.” Gunnels can safely say that about the first TARP vote in October 2008, and he can also safely say that Sanders could not envision that ultimately Bush and Obama combined would use about $80 billion of TARP funds for the auto industry. But Gunnels cannot plausibly say that Sanders did not know that the second vote in January 2009 did not contain funding for the auto industry. As we said, Levin spoke on the Senate floor about the auto industry, saying “this additional $4 billion must come from the second $350 billion.”

From Fact check. org

[Mnpaul]

31. Sanders was told none of this money would go to the auto bailout

As the Obama Administration carries out the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act, our actions will reflect the Act’s original purpose of preventing systemic consequences in the financial and housing markets. The incoming Obama Administration has no intention of using any funds to implement an industrial policy.

http://change.gov/newsroom/entry/letter_from_lawrence_h._summers_to_congressional_leaders/

[Demsrule86]

35. He knew the truth.

But Gunnels cannot plausibly say that Sanders did not know that the second vote in January 2009 did not contain funding for the auto industry. As we said, Levin spoke on the Senate floor about the auto industry, saying “this additional $4 billion must come from the second $350 billion.”

[Mnpaul]

39. What fact check really said

I can see why you aren't linking to it

But at the time of the vote, it was by no means clear that Obama would use more than one-fifth of the $350 billion for an auto bailout. And most of the money still went for the bank bailouts that Sanders opposed.

So Clinton’s claim that her Jan. 15, 2009, vote was “to save the auto industry” is — to be charitable — quite a stretch.

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/03/factchecking-the-seventh-democratic-debate/

[Demsrule86]

44. bottom line

No matter how much money Obama used...the money was in the second Tarp...and Bernie knew it and voted against it. Had his vote carried the day, there would be no autos today.

[Mnpaul]

45. Bottom line

Hillary was telling tall tales and you are cherry picking to distort the record

[Demsrule86]

47. Sander was out and out lying

he talked about his first vote...the second vote- which he denied happened- is where he would have helped destroy autos. Hillary told the truth...and your guy did not.

[Mnpaul]

48. a stretch at best

is telling the truth in Hillaryland?

Clinton twisted a Sanders vote on the Wall Street bailout package to claim he was “against the auto bailout.”

Clinton said that an auto parts supplier in Wisconsin got part of the auto bailout and is now moving to Europe. The company didn’t receive any bailout money, though it benefited indirectly from the program.

[Demsrule86]

46. links i said where the information came from in both instances and Hillary did not lie.

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/03/clinton-sanders-bailout-brawl/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/07/hillary-clinton/michigan-hillary-clinton-says-bernie-sanders-was-a/

[Demsrule86]

38. Here is a a good explanation.

This is why I don't want Sanders as president...he would have allowed autos to fail rather than help the banks...I personally do not think the banks should have failed either. When he voted this way he knew the auto money was in the second bill. She is not lying. The fact he voted for autos in December does not excuse his vote in Janurary.



"However — and this is what Clinton is talking about — Sanders voted to block the release of the second half of the TARP funding, including the auto bailout funds, while Clinton voted for the funds. (Sanders opposed and Clinton supported the initial TARP bill.)

Sanders said he opposed bailout funding for financial firms, which is where the majority of TARP dollars were headed.

"I have strong reservations about continuing this bailout without strong taxpayer protections written into law," he said in a statement. "I also object to using middle-class taxpayer money to bail out the exact same financial institutions whose greed and recklessness led to the greatest financial crisis since the Great Depression."

Politicfact

[jwirr]

41. If the USA elects this liar they are going to get exactly what

they asked for. And it is not going to be good.

[Demsrule86]

59. Bernie lied in this instance

I provided proof...so keep talking...because the voters are smarter than that...Bernie Sanders voted against the bill that contained the bailout bill on January 15th 2009. I provided links...I suggest you read them...but then you all have to attack Sen. Clinton because you have to have an excuse why your sorry candidate who lied about this is not winning. He said there was one vote ...there were two votes...one in December and the final bill in January.

[Nye Bevan]

49. Aren't congressional votes a matter of public record?

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Is Hillary saying that Bernie voted against a bill when he actually voted for it? Shouldn't be too hard to prove one way or the other.

[AzDar]

53. K & R