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Jon Huntsman Gotta Be Beside Himself (Original Post) iloveObama12 Oct 2012 OP
I totally agree center rising Oct 2012 #1
It would have been better because Huntsman is sane, but I would still vote Obama because he does his The Wielding Truth Nov 2012 #12
I'll bet y'all $10,000.00 Astazia Nov 2012 #30
Yep. More proof that HUntsman is a sane yet conservative dude. The Wielding Truth Nov 2012 #45
Huntsman is the last of an almost dead breed naaman fletcher Nov 2012 #2
He is good man! imanamerican63 Nov 2012 #3
Then why is he a republican? Paulie Nov 2012 #4
Years ago republicans used to be human Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #8
Exactly, years ago Paulie Nov 2012 #11
I would compare it to a Catholic that uses birth control, believes in abortion under certain Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #17
Ah, a C and E republican Paulie Nov 2012 #20
C and E ?????? Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #21
Christmas and Easter Paulie Nov 2012 #22
okay Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #23
or we could say it like they do in England KatyMan Nov 2012 #40
I saw him on Colbert once. GallopingGhost Nov 2012 #5
Worthy challenger, unlike Mitt the Shit Alekei_Firebird Nov 2012 #6
Really Like JiminyJominy Nov 2012 #7
He is very not pro-choice n/t LadyHawkAZ Nov 2012 #24
you don't know anything about him, but you'd be willing to put "the guy" up? magical thyme Nov 2012 #41
I've met him and his wife. defacto7 Nov 2012 #9
I thought he was the best GOP candidate also! By far! marew Nov 2012 #10
After mzteaze Nov 2012 #13
I don't know why anyone thinks he was a credible candidate TroyD Nov 2012 #14
I think he just had a different way of thinking about and handling things. wisteria Nov 2012 #16
DITTO. MotherPetrie Nov 2012 #18
Look who he was running against in the primaries. He didn't want one of those nuts elected. Indpndnt Nov 2012 #19
I respectively disagree davidpdx Nov 2012 #33
Just because you worked for somebody doesn't mean you can't apply for their job magical thyme Nov 2012 #42
Yes, he was intelligent, knowledgeable and likable. wisteria Nov 2012 #15
yes, he is all those things Merlot Nov 2012 #26
Agree. aletier_v Nov 2012 #25
Next up... BouzoukiKing Nov 2012 #31
LOL! and welcome Carolina Nov 2012 #39
He might have made the debate substantive fujiyama Nov 2012 #27
He could have been a difficult candidate Ebadlun Nov 2012 #35
He was the only sane person in the Republican doc03 Nov 2012 #28
Huntsman never had a chance, with today's Republican party renate Nov 2012 #29
I was semi-worried about him way back before the primary, because he seemed kind of normal (ROFL). NCLefty Nov 2012 #32
The only one who had a real shot underpants Nov 2012 #34
Huntsman will never make it past the primaries because he doesn't spew the right bushisanidiot Nov 2012 #36
Huntsman got tossed away early-Ron Paul supporters got screwed at the last second Sunlei Nov 2012 #37
he wasn't a better candidate, necessarily, but he would have made this a more noble race WooWooWoo Nov 2012 #38
Your purpose is quite transparent. GeorgeGist Nov 2012 #43
If you want to call what he said an endorsement!! center rising Nov 2012 #44

The Wielding Truth

(11,415 posts)
12. It would have been better because Huntsman is sane, but I would still vote Obama because he does his
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 12:22 AM
Nov 2012

job and does it very well!

Astazia

(262 posts)
30. I'll bet y'all $10,000.00
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 02:52 AM
Nov 2012
That former Governor/Ambassador, Huntsman is voting for President Obama too!


Poor Mittens....
 

naaman fletcher

(7,362 posts)
2. Huntsman is the last of an almost dead breed
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 12:00 AM
Nov 2012

Republicans who are relatively sane, and although I disagree with them are decent people. Not many of them left, which is why he went nowhere in the primaries.

imanamerican63

(13,795 posts)
3. He is good man!
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 12:06 AM
Nov 2012

He seems to be honest and sincere! Unlike, Romney and the other fools who he had to get through!

Paulie

(8,462 posts)
4. Then why is he a republican?
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 12:08 AM
Nov 2012

If he's a "good man", WTF is he doing being in a party with a bunch of wingnuts?!?!?!?!

Paulie

(8,462 posts)
11. Exactly, years ago
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 12:14 AM
Nov 2012

Is he like the old tale about a frog in a pot not noticing the water heating to boil? A frog in real life would jump out of the pot, hence my confusion.

Angry Dragon

(36,693 posts)
17. I would compare it to a Catholic that uses birth control, believes in abortion under certain
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 12:42 AM
Nov 2012

conditions, believes in sex education, thinks the Catholic is out of touch, etc. and still calls themselves a Catholic

KatyMan

(4,190 posts)
40. or we could say it like they do in England
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 07:48 AM
Nov 2012

Go to church 3 times in your lifetime...
bred (christening)
wed
dead

JiminyJominy

(340 posts)
7. Really Like
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 12:10 AM
Nov 2012

Huntsman.

is he pro-life or pro-choice?

if he's pro-choice..we should try and get him to switch parties and i'd be willing to put the guy up in 2016.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
41. you don't know anything about him, but you'd be willing to put "the guy" up?
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 07:54 AM
Nov 2012

Howzabout Elizabeth Warren? Or some other democrat?

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
9. I've met him and his wife.
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 12:13 AM
Nov 2012

He definitely would have been a worthy opponent.

One of the smartest people in politics and speaks fluent Chinese. His background is Mormon, his wife Catholic but he definitely defends the separation of church and state and claims religion has no place in his politics.

mzteaze

(448 posts)
13. After
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 12:27 AM
Nov 2012

seeing him on Colbert, I would have considered him if he had made it.

I still think, Myth is the sacrificial lamb for the 2012 GOP.

TroyD

(4,551 posts)
14. I don't know why anyone thinks he was a credible candidate
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 12:29 AM
Nov 2012

Are people forgetting that he WORKED for Obama?

How can you turn around and run against a President you just worked for and an Administration you were just a part of?

He was Obama's Ambassador to China. He would have had no credibility complaining about an Administration that he was just part of.

And it also indicates what a blatant political opportunist he turned out to be. He was given an Ambassadorship by Obama and then turns around and runs against him?

 

wisteria

(19,581 posts)
16. I think he just had a different way of thinking about and handling things.
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 12:34 AM
Nov 2012

He was never nasty when speaking about Obama.

Indpndnt

(2,391 posts)
19. Look who he was running against in the primaries. He didn't want one of those nuts elected.
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 12:49 AM
Nov 2012

So, he tossed his own hat in the ring.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
33. I respectively disagree
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 05:18 AM
Nov 2012

I think he could have run a campaign based on mostly domestic issues contrasting a conservative angle with no problem. The foreign policy would have been difficult, but the fact that he actually has creditably on foreign policy and can talk about the issues without shitting out his mouth like Romney did on his visit to Europe would have meant something. The problem would have been contrasting his views with that of President Obama's. Yes, he did work for the administration as an ambassador to China, but that doesn't mean he had to agree with every position Obama has on foreign policy.

Note: I'm not necessarily defending Huntsman only saying I agree with the OP that he would have been the best of the 10 or so candidates on the Republican side and that it was possible had he won the nomination he could have contrasted himself with Obama.

I think there were least a few candidates in the lot who would have been weaker than Romney like Santorum and Bachmann for starters.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
42. Just because you worked for somebody doesn't mean you can't apply for their job
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 07:58 AM
Nov 2012

if you think you can do it better. The job wasn't a "gift." It was something that he was seen as being the most qualified person for it. In other words, something he's done in life suggests he "earned" it.

He'd have far more credibility "complaining" about it seeing as he would have seen it from the "inside."

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
26. yes, he is all those things
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 02:01 AM
Nov 2012

but he is also a repub: anti-choice, very corporate, very conservative. I thought if he made it through the primaries he would be the biggest threat to Obama. And for a while I also thought he was smarter than the average repub, until I looked into his policies.

His policies are not any different than rmoney. He puts a nice rational face on the really bad ideas and makes them sound good. But they're still bad ideas.

aletier_v

(1,773 posts)
25. Agree.
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 01:22 AM
Nov 2012

There's a reason that it was Romney, though. More and more, I think that Romney may have been spiritual test of the GOP. Romney is a cursed soul. Everything he touches turns to gold, which is anathema in the end.

Why couldn't the Republicans see this?

Why would they see that Herman Cain was the sin of lust?

Or that Palin was the sin of pride?

Romney is the sin of avarice and he is cursed, probably forever.

fujiyama

(15,185 posts)
27. He might have made the debate substantive
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 02:06 AM
Nov 2012

We may have had a more dignified campaign. He probably wouldn't have been constantly lying through his teeth. At the same time, this would have been a much more difficult race. It's very possible, Huntsman would have been several points ahead and winning. The real question would have been...

Never mind the meaningless hypothetical. The reality is he is a member of a party full of crazies. Unless people like him take control of the party (rather than the Koch types), we'll continue to see its appeal dwindle (well outside of the South and among middle aged and older white males).

Ebadlun

(336 posts)
35. He could have been a difficult candidate
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 07:14 AM
Nov 2012

There's not a lot Obama could hit him on. The base would have hated him but fallen in line like they always do. Romney's running about the worst campaign in living memory, is deeply unlikeable and has no clear agenda at all - and he's still level in the popular vote. A better candidate could have been real trouble.

On the other hand, maybe Mitt's doing as well as he is because he's shamelessly lying and at least partly getting away with it - so maybe Huntsman wouldn't do as well by playing nice.

Who knows?

doc03

(35,337 posts)
28. He was the only sane person in the Republican
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 02:20 AM
Nov 2012

primary clown car. So naturally he didn't get that far. If Romney loses (I think he will) the right wing wackos like Limbaugh will say it was because he wasn't a true conservative, then in 2016 they will go even crazier if that is possible.

renate

(13,776 posts)
29. Huntsman never had a chance, with today's Republican party
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 02:45 AM
Nov 2012

I liked him, because he seemed honest. (Therefore, he was doomed from Day One.) I didn't agree with him on a lot of issues, but at least he seemed genuine in his belief in them, which I could respect.

The person I think must really be kicking himself is Tim Pawlenty. Why on earth did he drop out after one stupid straw poll at the Iowa State Fair?

bushisanidiot

(8,064 posts)
36. Huntsman will never make it past the primaries because he doesn't spew the right
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 07:17 AM
Nov 2012

wing talking points. i hope he doesn't start bending in that direction just to have a shot
because then he'll just turn into one of "them".

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
37. Huntsman got tossed away early-Ron Paul supporters got screwed at the last second
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 07:21 AM
Nov 2012

McCain was right, this republican party are 'Hobbits'. Last ones to the cooking pot are tossed in.

WooWooWoo

(454 posts)
38. he wasn't a better candidate, necessarily, but he would have made this a more noble race
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 07:26 AM
Nov 2012

instead of the embarassment of lies and distortion we're seeing right now.

center rising

(971 posts)
44. If you want to call what he said an endorsement!!
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 09:28 AM
Nov 2012

He criticized Romney over not talking about his taxes, his father was the architect of the Bain stupidity, Huntsman has not been on the campaign trail supporting Romney. He would have been the most viable candidate to face Obama!!

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