2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumRush: Christie is Obama’s “Greek column”
So much for the love affair between the New Jersey governor and the right wing
BY ALEX HALPERIN
The inimitable talk show host slammed the former conservative hero. It looks like Chris Christie cant count on El Rushbos support if the governor is just a jerk some of the time:
http://www.salon.com/2012/10/31/rush_christie_is_obamas_greek_column/
Still Sensible
(2,870 posts)on everything Greek. Just a guess.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)Another one is Grover Norquist.
These are both guys who positioned themselves as "king makers" and an Obama victory would knock them down a whole bunch of rungs.
We are potentially looking at some revolutionary changes in the pecking order within the GOP.
I'd think another big loser is Mitch McConnell. He was the one pushing the zero-cooperation strategy. President Obama still accomplished most of his big goals. That left the GOP sitting outside the decision process -- and they didn't accomplish the goal of getting rid of Obama. This was supposed to be the year that Obama would be swept out on a bad economy and McConnell would preside over a solid Senate majority.
If I'm a GOP Senator, I am not very happy with McConnell at this point and wouldn't be nearly so eager to walk the plank for him again.
russspeakeasy
(6,539 posts)DonViejo
(60,536 posts)another man; Karl Rove. I think his reputation, after this election, will be lower than whale doo-doo
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)#1, he is the brains that got Bush 2 elected -- twice. That's a pretty strong bit of evidence.
#2, he has a bunch of big money donors who trust that he is the guy to get Republicans elected to high office.
Both of those claims take a huge setback of Obama wins next week. This was set up as an election that he just about couldn't lose, with the economy being so weak at the beginning of the cycle. But Rove wasn't able to manage to get any winning candidates to represent the party, and he didn't have a strategy to sell Romney. Granted, that wasn't entirely his job, but still if you are the king maker, you need to deliver a king.
And regarding the money, his donors cannot possibly be happy with their ROI.
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)They will pay the price. The Rep leaders =
believeinhope
(16 posts)Not at all.
Romney was never Rush's guy. He has nothing invested in him.
If Romney loses, Rush comes on the next day and says "Once again the GOP establishment sold conservatives down the river. Once again they gave us another Dole, another McCain. And once again we saw the same result. Conservatism wins every time it's tried. We saw it with Reagan. We saw it in 1994. We saw it with the Tea Party in 2010. But they forced this Massachussetts liberal on us and thought they had ll the answers"
And his listeners will eat it up and after a few days of morning they'll be ready for 2014 and 2016, swearing "never again".
His ratings and those of other conservative talkers will likely be better in an Obama 2nd term than a Romney 1st term. Talk radio and blogs are always better being against something. We saw the same thing with dems and liberals during Bush's 2nd term which was the high point of the liberal blogosphere and netroots in 2006 and 2008. We'll see it during Obama's 2nd term.
Rush will come out of this just fine.
McConnell? Agreed he'll definitely be a loser and a top tea party target in 2014 along with Graham, Alexander, and Cornyn.
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)There was a period where basically everybody had to run every position past him or else he would beat them mercilessly on his program.
He has invested 4 solid years trying to tear Obama down. True, Romney wasn't his man, but that just goes to show he isn't really the king maker after all. And either way, he painted such a terrible picture of Obama that anybody with a pulse should have beaten Obama.
He is left with a core of wingnuts. That's a couple million people. But he loses some of the status that he had used to create the illusion that he was effectively the chairman of the party. That is over. After this, he's basically just another Ann Coulter or Glenn Beck. And meanwhile, Huckabee is building up an audience that seriously competes with Limbaugh.
Another way of looking at this is that a period of Civil War might transpire in the GOP. My guess is that it is time for the pendulum to swing away from Limbaugh. The GOP has run with the teabaggers and extremists for a few years now and it has not been good for the party.
We'll see how the election goes. If people like Akin and Mourdock lose in their Senate bids and some of the teabaggers lose their seats in the House, there will be people trying to put more distance between themselves and people like Limbaugh and Norquist.
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)to see the pendulum swing back to the left... it's been too long.
xfundy
(5,105 posts)Ha, ha. What a load of BS.
Conservatism is nothing more than scared old white men trying to revert back to days that never were. SEE: Ozzy and Harriett; Leave it to Beaver; Amos & Andy.
They want the "good old days," when everyone but them lived harder lives, thanks to their ludicrous belief that they were somehow "superior," back up by "gawd sed so."
Cha
(297,238 posts)Cha
(297,238 posts)Not happy at all! What do they have to show for their obstruction at any and all cost to America and all her citizens? Besides low polls that is?
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)If Romney wins he might get to play "king maker" (although I think he has far less influence these days than he used to, but still).
If Obama wins, he has a punching bag for 4 years that he can use to bring in listeners on his show and make a lot of money. With a Republican in office, he has less red meat for his audience.
TroyD
(4,551 posts)I agree.
Before we even get to the question of the Presidency, there's the issue of the Senate itself.
While Obama is likely to be re-elected, the odds for the Democrats retaining the Senate are even greater. Some of the Senate numbers for the Republicans are just terrible right now. They went from having the odds of taking back the Senate just a few months ago to now having virtually no chance of doing so.
As they did in 2010, they once again fielded a set of bizarre & unstable candidates who had meltdowns over the course of the year and threw away their chances to win.
So whereas Mitch McConnell began the year 2012 having a very good chance at becoming Senate Majority Leader by the time the year closed, he is now watching the end of the year approach and it very much looks like Harry Reid will be Senate Majority Leader once again.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)4 more years of a Dem Administration give Rush and his minions 4 more years of airtime.
CurtEastPoint
(18,644 posts)mak3cats
(1,573 posts)And the graphics one gets while listening looks like a really, really bad match.com profile!
Cha
(297,238 posts)"The backdrop to Obamas 2008 speech, where several large columns rose behind him, was often described as a Greek temple. In actuality, it was a replica of the colonnade at Chicago's Soldier Field built in honor of Obama's hometown."
http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/romney-no-greek-columns-for-obama-this-time-around-20120418
nsd
(2,406 posts)Did he mean Fifth Column?
Cha
(297,238 posts)Adenoid_Hynkel
(14,093 posts)Sad, I know
They have nothing
Adenoid_Hynkel
(14,093 posts)Thanks, wingnuts, for making the campaign for the next Democratic president (whoever they may be) that much easier!
q_e_d
(20 posts)For the life of me, I cannot fathom why so many Americans take him seriously.
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)when they question some right wing position of his, making Rush proud of him again.
Texas-Limerick
(93 posts)Mitt rolled out the Libya surprise at midnight
Obama shut down free speech was his accusation
When Darrell Issa found out he began to shout
And he started the investigation
It's against the law
It was against the law
What the Mittens saw
It was against the law
Then Issa looked down and spit on the ground
Every time Barry's name gets mentioned
Jim Dement said oy if I get that boy
I'm gonna break him like he's on a plantation
Mitt's Sandy relief truck is on it's way
He don't know where it's going
It's on it's way but he's taking his time
Got to take more pictures
Here in Ohio
New York is sunk,
But this is a swing state
Sean and Rush can hardly miss
Seeing Barry and Chris
Down by the Jersey Shore
Seeing Michael, Barry And Chris
Workin it out on the Jersey Shore
In a couple of days they come and
Take Mitt away
But the press let the story leak
Seems the Romneys have long been dead
And been replaced instead by a family of Zomneys
Even Ann was snared
She couldn't be spared
Even though she looks unhurt
she'll spend eternity in a thousand $ t-shirt
Goodbye Annie, no more FLOTUS
Seeing Barry and Chris down on the Jersey Shore