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Jake Tapper: Hillary Clinton still spinning emails (Original Post) NWCorona May 2016 OP
This email stuff is gonna get her. bkkyosemite May 2016 #1
Yup! NWCorona May 2016 #2
Nope. beaglelover May 2016 #4
We will see soon enough NWCorona May 2016 #6
There is probably something "there" Ferd Berfel May 2016 #20
What Obama said BeyondGeography May 2016 #2
That was very good by Obama and I somewhat agree NWCorona May 2016 #5
are MSNBC and CNN on different teams with a merger on the line? reddread May 2016 #7
I've cut the cord a long time ago and haven't looked back NWCorona May 2016 #8
and one of their great achievements this primary, wouldnt you say? reddread May 2016 #9
And they way it's talked about in regards to revenue generation is sickening. NWCorona May 2016 #15
who's revenue? reddread May 2016 #16
Ad revenue for the stations hosting the debates. Also there's market share bragging rights. NWCorona May 2016 #17
you mean kickbacks? reddread May 2016 #29
They'll have their horse race BeyondGeography May 2016 #11
Any second now!!! JoePhilly May 2016 #10
It's looking that way. NWCorona May 2016 #13
Because the possible indictment of our Democratic frontrunner is so damn hilarious! CoffeeCat May 2016 #19
I've enjoyed these hair on fire rants since they started more than a year ago. JoePhilly May 2016 #25
Bernie let it go, but the carnival barker is gonna go nuts with the emails. coffeeAM May 2016 #12
No doubt about it. NWCorona May 2016 #14
That "I absolutely had permission" bold-faced lie Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #18
Had permission? Fawke Em May 2016 #21
I think the idea is that anything not specifically prohibited is permitted. thesquanderer May 2016 #22
The thing is that merely mishandling national defense data is a crime. Fawke Em May 2016 #23
And you cannot have classified data outside of the government system. And she did. pdsimdars May 2016 #27
So Hillary is lying through her teeth, as per usual. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #24
Well of course she is. 840high May 2016 #26
But the important thing is she's *trying* not to Bob41213 May 2016 #28
Shakes head no while saying yes Laughing Mirror May 2016 #30
Bad news. A child, much less a presidential candidate. would know this was suspect behavior. highprincipleswork May 2016 #31

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
20. There is probably something "there"
Thu May 12, 2016, 01:18 PM
May 2016

but I'm just as concerned (for different reasons) about the transcripts (if they even exist)

Interesting Theory from CoffeCat

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1937517

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
5. That was very good by Obama and I somewhat agree
Thu May 12, 2016, 12:50 PM
May 2016

But when CNN is saying this you know Clinton is in trouble.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
7. are MSNBC and CNN on different teams with a merger on the line?
Thu May 12, 2016, 12:53 PM
May 2016

My ignorant assumption. Cant say I would pay 2 cents for cable, given what you get.
and what they get away with.
The entire media agenda reeks of Coke and Pepsi.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
8. I've cut the cord a long time ago and haven't looked back
Thu May 12, 2016, 12:56 PM
May 2016

The only issue I've had so far is trying to watch the debates live. So sad.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
9. and one of their great achievements this primary, wouldnt you say?
Thu May 12, 2016, 12:58 PM
May 2016

I know PBS and all those analog subchannels were WAY too busy to provide a public service.
they bought off the process in broad daylight, and moved it to a safe place.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
16. who's revenue?
Thu May 12, 2016, 01:07 PM
May 2016

now thats a money trail worth following.
shall we ask the media to do their job?

oh. wait.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
17. Ad revenue for the stations hosting the debates. Also there's market share bragging rights.
Thu May 12, 2016, 01:13 PM
May 2016

That's the reason they shut down the live streams.

I do wonder how much ad revenue if any reaches the DNC and RNC

BeyondGeography

(39,385 posts)
11. They'll have their horse race
Thu May 12, 2016, 01:00 PM
May 2016

Whether it'll be their doing is highly debatable. I think the R's could put pretty much any old white guy out there and be competitive. The funny thing this time around is Trump trolls the Jake Tappers of the world all the time and they still speak in hushed, reverent tones whenever he purports to deliver a policy pronouncement. His abuse of them is a major source of his strength.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
19. Because the possible indictment of our Democratic frontrunner is so damn hilarious!
Thu May 12, 2016, 01:15 PM
May 2016

Let's make a big joke out of a terrible burden that our Democratic party faces, with our frontrunner at the epicenter of a serious, year-long FBI investigation.

Let's hahaha and yuck it up that our party may experience a crisis, leaving the Democratic Party with our frontrunner unable to continue in the race because she'll be stripped of her security clearance.

Please continue!! This is such a hilarious topic!! Because the hubris of Hillary Clinton destroying our party is such a fucking laugh riot!

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
25. I've enjoyed these hair on fire rants since they started more than a year ago.
Thu May 12, 2016, 01:58 PM
May 2016

By people who are praying for the indictment fairy to arrive.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
18. That "I absolutely had permission" bold-faced lie
Thu May 12, 2016, 01:15 PM
May 2016

is every bit as blatant and arrogant as Bill's "I did not have sex with that woman".

And if I didn't already know that she's lying, she shakes her head no while she says it.

I think when the FBI interviews her, she is toast.

thesquanderer

(11,995 posts)
22. I think the idea is that anything not specifically prohibited is permitted.
Thu May 12, 2016, 01:32 PM
May 2016

And legally, that could be a reasonable defense. The mere existence/use of the server might not be much of an issue.

But then not taking the step to assure that email sent/received on that server was archived on a government approved system is definitely a violation.

Still, how bad a violation is it? Is it necessarily "criminal" or, from a legal perspective, is it more like turning without signaling? What is the punishment? Probably not enough to stop someone from running for office.

Things get more complicated than that, though, if any of these things might be true:

...did the private server contribute to mishandling of classified information? (And people who are found to have mishandled classified info typically have security clearances revoked, but you can't be president without security clearance...)

...is there evidence that the system was set up specifically to get around archival requirements and avoid FOIA access? (That would be a serious charge, though also one that would be difficult to prove, as "intent" generally is)

...does this discovery lead to any evidence of improper coordination between activities of the State Dep't and the Clinton Foundation?

And then the question is, practically speaking, does any of this result in an action that can hurt her chances of winning in November, or impact her presidency thereafter?

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
23. The thing is that merely mishandling national defense data is a crime.
Thu May 12, 2016, 01:38 PM
May 2016

There doesn't have to be intent. People have been prosecuted for inadvertently leaking that data. But you're absolutely correct in that the LEAST that happens is that these offenders are stripped of their security clearances.

To your other points:

1. We don't know if she was intentionally trying to avoid FOIA requests, but we DO know that she ignored the NSA's warning about the use of the Blackberry out of convenience.
2. We don't know nor do we definitively know whether the FBI is looking into the convoluted web between State and the Foundation. All we do know is that the FBI has subpoenaed some Clinton Foundation info.
3. It could cost not just her the election, but would severely damage the Party for years to come. If she does become president, I can't fathom how she could continue as the president while defending a CRIMINAL charge. This isn't the same thing as the civil proceedings her husband faced.


Laughing Mirror

(4,185 posts)
30. Shakes head no while saying yes
Thu May 12, 2016, 04:22 PM
May 2016

Dead giveaway. You can trick the mouth to say what you want it to say, but the body's unconscious signals have their own language, over which you are helpless to control, unless you practice a lot.

 

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
31. Bad news. A child, much less a presidential candidate. would know this was suspect behavior.
Thu May 12, 2016, 04:38 PM
May 2016

I'm sorry, I'm no Hillary fan, but this runs so clearly against common sense that it is not behavior I would want to see in a President.

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