2016 Postmortem
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(5,792 posts)beaglelover
(3,495 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)but I'm just as concerned (for different reasons) about the transcripts (if they even exist)
Interesting Theory from CoffeCat
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1937517
BeyondGeography
(39,385 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)But when CNN is saying this you know Clinton is in trouble.
reddread
(6,896 posts)My ignorant assumption. Cant say I would pay 2 cents for cable, given what you get.
and what they get away with.
The entire media agenda reeks of Coke and Pepsi.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)The only issue I've had so far is trying to watch the debates live. So sad.
reddread
(6,896 posts)I know PBS and all those analog subchannels were WAY too busy to provide a public service.
they bought off the process in broad daylight, and moved it to a safe place.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Yup! I agree.
reddread
(6,896 posts)now thats a money trail worth following.
shall we ask the media to do their job?
oh. wait.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)That's the reason they shut down the live streams.
I do wonder how much ad revenue if any reaches the DNC and RNC
reddread
(6,896 posts)I will ask again.
BeyondGeography
(39,385 posts)Whether it'll be their doing is highly debatable. I think the R's could put pretty much any old white guy out there and be competitive. The funny thing this time around is Trump trolls the Jake Tappers of the world all the time and they still speak in hushed, reverent tones whenever he purports to deliver a policy pronouncement. His abuse of them is a major source of his strength.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Let's make a big joke out of a terrible burden that our Democratic party faces, with our frontrunner at the epicenter of a serious, year-long FBI investigation.
Let's hahaha and yuck it up that our party may experience a crisis, leaving the Democratic Party with our frontrunner unable to continue in the race because she'll be stripped of her security clearance.
Please continue!! This is such a hilarious topic!! Because the hubris of Hillary Clinton destroying our party is such a fucking laugh riot!
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)By people who are praying for the indictment fairy to arrive.
coffeeAM
(180 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)is every bit as blatant and arrogant as Bill's "I did not have sex with that woman".
And if I didn't already know that she's lying, she shakes her head no while she says it.
I think when the FBI interviews her, she is toast.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Not only "No," but "FUCK NO!" she didn't. It's hard to give permission to something you don't even know about.
http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/we-now-know-more-about-why-clinton-set-up-private-server-and-its-sketchyy/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/how-clintons-email-scandal-took-root/2016/03/27/ee301168-e162-11e5-846c-10191d1fc4ec_story.html
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/03/nsa-refused-clinton-a-secure-blackberry-like-obama-so-she-used-her-own/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/how-clintons-email-scandal-took-root/2016/03/27/ee301168-e162-11e5-846c-10191d1fc4ec_story.html
thesquanderer
(11,995 posts)And legally, that could be a reasonable defense. The mere existence/use of the server might not be much of an issue.
But then not taking the step to assure that email sent/received on that server was archived on a government approved system is definitely a violation.
Still, how bad a violation is it? Is it necessarily "criminal" or, from a legal perspective, is it more like turning without signaling? What is the punishment? Probably not enough to stop someone from running for office.
Things get more complicated than that, though, if any of these things might be true:
...did the private server contribute to mishandling of classified information? (And people who are found to have mishandled classified info typically have security clearances revoked, but you can't be president without security clearance...)
...is there evidence that the system was set up specifically to get around archival requirements and avoid FOIA access? (That would be a serious charge, though also one that would be difficult to prove, as "intent" generally is)
...does this discovery lead to any evidence of improper coordination between activities of the State Dep't and the Clinton Foundation?
And then the question is, practically speaking, does any of this result in an action that can hurt her chances of winning in November, or impact her presidency thereafter?
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)There doesn't have to be intent. People have been prosecuted for inadvertently leaking that data. But you're absolutely correct in that the LEAST that happens is that these offenders are stripped of their security clearances.
To your other points:
1. We don't know if she was intentionally trying to avoid FOIA requests, but we DO know that she ignored the NSA's warning about the use of the Blackberry out of convenience.
2. We don't know nor do we definitively know whether the FBI is looking into the convoluted web between State and the Foundation. All we do know is that the FBI has subpoenaed some Clinton Foundation info.
3. It could cost not just her the election, but would severely damage the Party for years to come. If she does become president, I can't fathom how she could continue as the president while defending a CRIMINAL charge. This isn't the same thing as the civil proceedings her husband faced.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)Bob41213
(491 posts)Laughing Mirror
(4,185 posts)Dead giveaway. You can trick the mouth to say what you want it to say, but the body's unconscious signals have their own language, over which you are helpless to control, unless you practice a lot.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)I'm sorry, I'm no Hillary fan, but this runs so clearly against common sense that it is not behavior I would want to see in a President.