If Sanders gets the nomination, despite having less pledged delegates and millions less votes

[fried eggs]

he will not get my vote. Everyone has a line in the sand and that would be my line.

I was prepared to support whoever the nominee was, but that was under the assumption that the nominee would have won fair and square. If Sanders and his supporters somehow got what they wanted, do you really think unity would be even remotely possible? We're talking about the first woman to win the most votes and pledged delegates in a national primary. It's not surprising that Sanders and many of his supporters are oblivious to the historical and symbolic aspects of this primary. But the importance of this moment is not lost on most Americans, and this effort to snatch away such an important moment won't be forgotten.

I really want Sanders and his supporters to think about what they're asking of the millions of democrats who voted for Clinton. I'm confident that Sanders will not get the nomination, but take some time to think about what you're asking and how things would play out if you actually got what you wanted. It's a lose lose. It's time to end this with dignity and class.

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. So what happens if he somehow overcomes her in PDs?

[Demsrule86]

32. Then I would vote for Bernie

Assuming they are not Gop votes like in WVA...but not if he overturns the primary vote. I don't think he can anyway. I despise Bernie but if he won fair and square, I would vote for him...although he would lose for sure. But i would have done my part.

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. Conditions conditions

you do know 15 percent of hillary voters yesterday are Trump voters.

[morningfog]

2. And what if he gets more PDs but less pop vote. Then what?

[Demsrule86]

33. Pledged delegates count

no popular vote.

[jwirr]

43. That has happened in the past and no one objected to that.

[morningfog]

44. When and what result?

[jwirr]

49. I am not really sure but I have been voting since 1960 and

have not once heard any talk about who got the most votes until 2008. I just know it did not come up as a problem as traditionally it has been the delegate count that mattered.

[dsc]

50. 2008

[morningfog]

52. Hillary didn't win pop vote, can't count MI and FL.

Plus, she conceded before the convention, so not on point.

[Cali_Democrat]

3. If he won in that scenario, I would not vote for him either. nt

[TCJ70]

4. The only metric that matters is pledged delegates...

...and whoever has the most of those should get it.

[w4rma]

12. Depending on this FBI investigation. (nt)

[CoffeeCat]

20. Oh come on now

Please don't bring up the elephant in the living room!

Not only do some people want is us to pretend it's not there, they want us to throw a blanket over it, pretend it's a table and have a picnic on it.

Can you pass me sime of that chicken salad?

[BillZBubb]

28. It's no "investigation" it's a "security review"! Yeah, that's the ticket!

[Bleacher Creature]

5. It's a moot point.

No superdelegate is switching to the runner-up, who wasn't even a member of the party until six months ago.

[Nye Bevan]

6. I would still vote for him come what may. Stopping Trump is the most important thing. (nt)

[morningfog]

7. Same goes for Hillary. If Bernie wins the PD race but supers flipped

It to her, she would lose and I would not vote fm for her.

[onehandle]

8. Impossible. nt

[Vote2016]

9. Why don't you hold off on your tantrum until the people get a chance to vote?

[grasswire]

10. First and second.

First: Do you really think there is any dignity/class to nominating a candidate under criminal investigation by the FBI?

Second: Are super delegates not delegates? If Sanders won with a majority of pledged and super delegates, would he not legitimately have won?

Most of America does not care about HRC's "turn" because of her vagina. Seriously. Not even young women.

[edbermac]

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[Nye Bevan]

23. Weird how some seem to need to use the word "vagina" when criticizing Hillary (nt)

[lunamagica]

24. Please, stop with the "Vagina" insults. The people have chosen Hillary by millions more than

they have chosen Sanders. You are defending a fantasy scenario. You say: "If Sanders won with a majority of pledged and super delegates, would he not legitimately have won? " Of course, under this scenario, he would be the legitimate winner.

But that is not what is happening. He is losing, and losing badly. He is behind by millions of votes and hundreds of PDs.

So, I'll ask you the same thing If Hillary won with a majority of pledged and super delegates, would she not legitimately have won?

[Skink]

11. Atleast their not voting wouldn't hand the election to Trump

[farleftlib]

45. Thread winner

[silvershadow]

13. Oh no. nt

[PufPuf23]

14. Do really believe that Hillary Clinton won fair?

Hillary Clinton was treated from the start as an incumbent and presumed candidate.

The DNC failed to provide a slate of potential candidates and Sanders came out of no where to eventually be competitive but got a late start.

I have not mentioned this before but I question some of the elctions, especially New York in the same mind frame I question the GWB elections.

You ignore the historical issues of the Democratic party in favor of a group of neo-liberals that have infiltrated and taken over the party apparatus beginning with Bill Clinton.

What was not initially apparent is now blatantly obvious.

You want more crony capitalism, war, status quo on environment, continued decline of middle class, less education opportunity, and scant social safety neck for the poor, old, and otherwise less privileged?

Continue to support neo-liberals in the Democratic party.

Pound your line in the sand.

[politicaljunkie41910]

22. It wasn't the DNC's responsibility to provide a slate of potential candidates.

As long as they didn't interfere with anyone running, that's all that matters. And we know that they didn't interfere because they allowed someone we was an Independent for the past 25 years, and never let them forget that he was an Independent, run on their Democratic ticket. Had they not let him run, it would have been an insurmountable task for him to do on his own.

[floriduck]

29. But the DNC had no problem working out the Hillary Victory Fund deal. Bullshit at its finest!

[Demsrule86]

35. Bernie could have had the same deal

But he is too pure ofcourse.

[floriduck]

51. That's bullshit. This was a Hillary plan well before either candidate officially announced.

Bernie wouldn't try to launder his donations so it would never have happened with him.

[oldandhappy]

30. Ah but it is their responsibility

to identify and nurture and support candidates all along the path -- local, state, national. They accepted the responsibility to shield one who was in the white house for eight years and had enormous name recognition for their own purposes. They allowed Bernie to run as a Dem - whoop whoop. They gave no support to O'Malley or Sanders other than what the campaigns forced them to do. The focus, single mindedness, on clinton means not so much is happening down ticket inspite of all the rhetoric. Our local Dem challengers against Issa and Hunter received nothing in 2012 and nothing has happened in 2016 so far. I question what DNC is doing.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

15. We are NOT oblivious to the historic and symbolic aspects of this primary.

If he gets the nomination. Are you implying that he would use dirty tricks to accomplish that?

He would not.

I really don't understand how you can think this.

Can you explain?

[elleng]

16. 'Smart,'

support tramp.

[riderinthestorm]

18. We're talking the first Jewish candidate to win...

Are you really pulling the gender card here at the expense of sounding anti-Semitic?

[Tarc]

25. Sanders downplays his Jewish heritage at every opportunity

He is not generally identified as "a Jewish politician", nor is he a friend to Israel, siding much more wit the Palestinians.

So, no, that isn't really a concern.

[scscholar]

19. Happened in 2008

Could happen again.

[RobertEarl]

21. California could take care of you

Enough votes there to fix your problems.

Thinkaboutit.

[lagomorph777]

26. Who is pushing this false meme that Bernie is planning to steal the nomination?

Could it be a bit of projection?

[nadinbrzezinski]

38. This is the latest from Brock and Coreect the Record

You got to wonder what got him that spooked though

[lagomorph777]

39. Yeah, they seem awfully obsessed with protecting those SDs.

...perhaps there is more wavering than we think.

[nadinbrzezinski]

40. That is what I think.

I wrote my story for the state of the race already. But what both candidates are increasingly arguing is...electability against Trunp for Sanders and Diversity of the voters (indirectly electability) for Clinton.

The SD system was created to prevent another McGovern. It failed utterly with Mondale. So I suspect some SDs are starting to have second thoughts. Then there is CA. It was not supposed to get this far

[jwirr]

46. The job of the SDs is to protect the party from a lose. They

have got to be worried about nominating a candidate who is under investigation and possible indictment. Even the ones who really like her must be questioning the issue.

[nadinbrzezinski]

47. I think that is part of it

[egalitegirl]

27. Go ahead and revolt

Just as supporters of other candidates have threatened to revolt under similar circumstances, we would not mind if Hillary supporters revolt and take other Hillary allies like Goldman Sachs, the Military Industrial Complex and the Bush family along with them out of the party.

[Jamaal510]

31. Understandable. eom

[Attorney in Texas]

36. If Sanders gets the nomination despite having fewer pledged delegates, it will be for extraordinary

reason (probably legal or medical in nature, and extremely unlikely in either case).

You will never know who has more votes because many caucus states don't tally votes so the bullshit about who has "more votes" is a nonsense talking point (interestingly, it is bullshit talking point Hillary used in 2008, too, because -- like Sanders -- Obama also did better than Hillary in caucuses where supporter enthusiasm counts more than name identification and so Hillary's talking point about "more votes" is a deceitful way to disregard caucus states where Hillary generally does less well).

[nadinbrzezinski]

37. I am going to add this here

who you vote for, is your business. It is your civic duty... if you believe in such lofty things. It is not my business if you vote for the man on the moon, sanders, trump, or HRC. Really it is not. I would prefer if people kept those votes between themselves their pillow their pets, and if you most your SO. and that is it. For the record, I am sure the conure shall not speak beyond loud squawking, so my secret is dafe, unless you speak Conure that is.

I am not going to beg you to vote, or try to frighten you, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE USSC? You are an adult, Vote however you chose to vote. Just don't badger others.

But I asked you above what happens if he somehow overcomes her in PDs? That is actually a valid, if highly unlikely, possibility and that will be known in CA. I notice you never answered... and that is part of the problem.

[GoldenThunder]

41. The same body that Obama placed into nomination a conservative...

Merrick Garland is all the proof you need to know that this ship has already sailed.

America couldn't vote its way out of Dred Scott and its not gonna vote its way out of Citizens United.

[nadinbrzezinski]

42. I agree.

For the record

Kennedy's inaugural is strangely prophetic for the US these days

[NorthCarolina]

48. It's OK, the votes of millions of registered Independents will help to

ease the loss of your vote. You can always write-in Hillary.