Sanders Wins West Virginia Primary (And No, It's NOT Inconsequential)

[99th_Monkey]

Sanders Wins West Virginia Primary - And No, It's Not "Inconsequential&quot
'Regardless of what the mainstream media would like you to believe, these victories matter.'
byJon Queally, staff writer * May 10, 2016 * Common Dreams

Bolstering his argument that voters in every state deserve a chance to have their preference registered, Bernie Sanders proved too much for rival Hillary Clinton in Tuesday's Democratic primary in West Virginia, a state she carried handily in 2008 when running against Barack Obama.

With nearly half of precincts reporting, NBC News reports that Sanders had captured 51 percent of the vote compared to Clinton's 39 percent. ~snip~

"With this outcome, we now have won primaries and caucuses in 19 states. We are in this campaign to win the Democratic nomination and we’re going to stay in the race until the last vote is cast. We expect more victories in the weeks to come when voters go to the polls in Kentucky, Oregon, the Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, California, Montana, New Jersey, New Mexico, North Dakota, South Dakota and the District of Columbia.

"We fully acknowledge we have an uphill climb ahead of us, but we’re used to that. We have been fighting uphill from the day this campaign began. And after all the votes are cast and counted and this contest moves to the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia, the delegates will decide which candidate is the strongest nominee to take on Donald Trump in November. All of the evidence indicates that I am that candidate.

"As voters in the remaining states and territories make up their minds about the future of the Democratic Party, I believe they deserve a chance to compare my record and Secretary Clinton’s record on creating jobs, raising the minimum wage, war and peace, the need for health care for all, breaking up big banks, combating climate change and other critical issues. Secretary Clinton’s campaign already has agreed to another debate in California. I hope that we can soon settle on a date and place for that debate."

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/05/10/sanders-wins-west-virginia-primary-and-no-its-not-inconsequential

[Silver_Witch]

1. 51% - Go get em Bernie!

51% that is something indeed.

[Renew Deal]

3. And 44% of those were Trump supporters.

[mindwalker_i]

4. Keep spanking that monkey

Ain't heard it squeal yet.

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. You mean DEMOCRATS who will *NOT VOTE for HRC*

there, corrected for you

[JudyM]

7. Well said, and despite its obviousness, somehow lost on some here.

[hack89]

19. Dems that consistently vote republican in presidential elections

look at Obama in 2012.

[nadinbrzezinski]

38. You can pretend otherwise but they are Democrats

if the Clintons have one thing going for them, which their supporters don't, is the ability to read tea leaves. I am sure the war room is in DANGER, DANGER Will Robinson mode

[hack89]

39. Who historically vote republican in presidential elections

so their choice in the primaries says nothing about their votes in the GE.

[nadinbrzezinski]

41. As I said, you can still pretend otherwise,

[hack89]

43. Don't have to pretend when we have actual election results. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

44. You can still pretend

and I am going to enjoy this. Yes Reagan Democrats are real, so were Bush Democrats, and guess what, so will Trump democrats. Ain't that lovely. But you will, as always blame the voters, who are on the left side of the wheelhouse. At this point it is entertaining as hell.

And from what I hear many of them (on the left) who actually always vote democratic and are reliable, even in dog catcher elections, some at least are indeed planning to sit it out. They will get blamed anywhere, instead of the always mercurial right wing (far right wing0 of your party.

It is kind of amusing the pretzel logic at play.

[hack89]

45. You are going to enjoy a Trump victory?

ok. At least we know where your ego is in relationship to the good of the county.

[nadinbrzezinski]

46. Nah I am going to enjoy the pretzel logic

as to what will happen in November, it will be much closer than you think. And that is as far as I will take the prediction game. The dynamics this year are way off. Mind you, I have taken Trump not as a joke, but seriously from word go, ok a week after he launched. It took me that long to read though speeches and see where he actually seems to be coming from.

But I will enjoy the blame game from hard core partisans who cannot understand what is really happening. It is kind of fun. After all the level of cognitive dissonance is well... amusing at this point.

I am sure that what happened in WV last night, is being taken as a sign of trouble by the campaign though,. They might be hard core, but at least I hope they are not as incompetent as you guys.

To your posts, I should insert this.

[puffy socks]

61. They need to pretend.

Thats why we keep hearing Bernie still has a chance.

[asuhornets]

33. If they were Trump supporers then they were not Democrats.

They just meddle and interfered with our primary yet again. Sanders did not reach his target, so they tied in delegates.

[nadinbrzezinski]

36. You can pretend otherwise

but THEY ARE DEMOCRATS

[Silver_Witch]

8. You are wrong...

And full of yourself.

[bigtree]

31. um

NBC News ?@NBCNews 8h8 hours ago

Donald Trump supporters gave Bernie Sanders a boost in West Virginia http://nbcnews.to/27cydiq #Decision2016

[nadinbrzezinski]

37. Take a DEEP DIVE in there BT you can do it

same fucking poll finds that 15 percent of HRC supporters will vote for Trump in November.

[msongs]

2. massive win for sanders. really chops down her lead in a consequential way nt

[hack89]

21. No it doesn't

he badly missed his delegate target. It just makes the next state that much harder.

[Beacool]

42. Not really where it matters.

He just got 7 pledged delegates more than Hillary out of WV (18-11).

[LoverOfLiberty]

5. 55 more of these

and we've got ourselves a horse race.

[uponit7771]

9. Another non diverse Obama hating state goes to the "progressive" candidate, I'm soured on ....

... progressiveness if this is what it means

[99th_Monkey]

10. When a candidate is genuinely Progressive, I don't give a rat's ass WHO votes for them.

The more votes the better. That's how elections are won: by broadening ones appeal
by being genuinely who you are.

The operative word is GENUINELY Progressive -- which leaves 3rd Way
neo-liberals out.

So trashing the very notion of even being a progressive has begun? Interesting tack
to take.

[uponit7771]

11. I do if they're mostly white in a country that celebrates its diversity, if the country is to TRULY

... make progress there shouldn't be this type of racial polorization towards a dem candidate

[99th_Monkey]

12. I don't feel that states that are mostly white should be demonized

and stigmatized ... any more than a state packed with minorities should be written-off
or demonized.

Hint: It's called the UNITED States of America.

[uponit7771]

13. But you support the candidate that dismisses the states with large black dem primary voters...

... it ok, this too shall pass and be over quick.

[99th_Monkey]

14. Universally, candidates reflexively minimize the importance of losses & talk-up their wins

I can think of no exceptions, unless we're taking about Vermin Supreme, et. al.

We both know this is true of both Hills and Bernie.

Using this to conjure-up some nasty attack-narrative on Bernie is in very poor taste,
and this would cut both ways.

[uponit7771]

25. Hillary didn't minimize demographics that way in 08 iirc, this is not a narrative this is Sanders he

... said in 14 that social issues when it comes to race isn't important and he's carried on his campaign as such.

The "southern states" dismissal was at least tone deaf

[hellofromreddit]

22. Key difference:

Sanders dismissed the south because he knew the politics there were not friendly to his platform.

You're dismissing WV because those people are the wrong color.

Those things are not equivalent.

[uponit7771]

29. Neither is the rest of the northern red states he won, what the hell!?! Oklahoma is the reddest of..

... red states in the US and went to Sanders without the dismissive meme

[hellofromreddit]

34. This is the primary. "Red-ness" is irrelevant.

[uponit7771]

40. The Sanders should NOT have mentioned how conservatives those states are then, the progressives

... in the states aren't conservative at all by no means

[NewImproved Deal]

15. Your Racism is showing.

Why do so many Clinton Apologists believe that gratuitous White-Bashing is not only acceptable, but fashionable?

[all american girl]

17. Well, a lot of Bernie supporters here at DU were bashing the southern states

where there is more diversity, as if they didn't matter...even Bernie, himself, downplayed Hillary's wins and that was heard.

Some in the AA community right here was very upset about the attitude of the Bernie supporters towards the southern states...but it fell on deaf ears.

[senz]

51. But NO Bernie supporter bashes PoC.

Bernie is a lifelong advocate for PoC and his supporters know that.

So don't be making lies out of it. Thank you.

[all american girl]

56. I never said he wasn't, and so was Hillary for AA...

Just look back at around Feb. and Mar. it was ugly around here for AA people...Do you see many of the the "old folks" responding anymore...just saying

[senz]

57. I've never been convinced that Hill is for AA.

[all american girl]

58. Seriously...I'm going with the AA community...they know way more than me, and they believe in her

Just remember, the Dems are made of the backs and the souls of the AA women...

[senz]

59. Younger AAs who use social media are trending toward Bernie.

Those who rely on the MSM know nothing about Bernie because the corporate media ignores him and advocates for Hillary. A year ago, Bernie was not known outside of congress.

[all american girl]

60. There's nothing wrong with the youth...

but, please don't disregard the women who aren't that demographic.... many AA women are that...

[senz]

62. I am a woman and, since the 1970s, a feminist.

Yes, older Americans of both sexes and all races tend to rely on the corporate media for information and tend to be Hillary supporters. Younger Americans of both sexes and all races trend toward Bernie.

Some older Americans, like me, have learned to distrust the MSM, but I think we are in the minority.

I don't "disregard" anyone.

[uponit7771]

30. Sanders getting stomped in diverse America looking places is Sanders own doing because he...

... , like many in the DNC, dismiss the power of the Hispanic and black and female votes AND ISSUES in America.

He did an interview in 14 about getting back the working class white votes !!

In that interview he KNOWINGLY said we shouldn't focus on racial issues and said "that's not important" when it came to them.


This is his own doing


Having someone who called Obama niggerized in IA and NH stump for him in front of mostly white people didn't help either

[azurnoir]

49. yes and I feel that candidates who've made comments about PoC particularly young men

such as "they must be brought to heel" and then go on to cynically use race as a polarizing factor both ways in 2 different election cycles, tell a majority Black crowd in Harlem that they are all for gun control and then mere days later tells a nearly all white crowd in rural PA that they are all for the 2nd amendment should condemned for that tactic as it divides the coountry not to mention the Democratic party

but it's nice to see you think the US 'celebrates diversity" is that along the same lines as being post racial ? If so how and if not why?

[uponit7771]

63. Only stupid ass'd racist think those terms are meant exclusively for young black men

[azurnoir]

65. yes because in 1996 when she made the superpredators comment we were all about white gang activity

except if you were alive then and remember white gangs were not even on the radar it was Black gangs and crack that were the crime concern du jour,

to imply that that I am a racist for knowing that and having lived that is ridiculous to put it very politely

[uponit7771]

66. White gangs were on the radar for people who weren't racist enough to think the phrase

... was exclusive to black kids or any other racial gangs.

I'm not implying anything about anyone, I'm making statements that are not in dispute relative to the child thread at hand.

If this does apply to anyone then they need to check their attitudes.

It's like Jackie Robinson said (iirc) "most things was fine (on his team) until we all had to take showers together", WE ALL need to check our attitudes and thinking.

[azurnoir]

67. it almost sounds as if you're try to 'whitesplain' Hillary to me

interesting in the M$M in the '90's it was all about Black Gangs and crack - to the point where in some places you could be arrested on suspicion simply for wearing certain colors of plaid

[senz]

47. An excellent point that gets lost around here.

[Waiting For Everyman]

16. Lol! Loveya West Virginia! They took HRC to the woodshed.

West Virginia You made my day, and my week!

It's a great thing for these establishment-type corruption puppeteers, to be shown once in a while that although most of the Party is cowed into submission by their "Hit List" of carrots and sticks -- meaning bribes and threats -- that...

SOME. PEOPLE. WILL. NOT. DANCE. TO. THEIR. TUNE.

She can sit up on Olympus all she wants and pull levers of power and snap her fingers for gum and talk about not needing their votes, but NEVERTHELESS, the voters of West Virginia had their say and

TOLD HER OFF!!! Good for them! That was a thing of beauty!

And Kentucky is watching, and waiting for its own chance to spit in her eye!

Not forgetting you Oregon, we know you're ready to be counted!


Bernie people are so cool.

[senz]

48. ^^ Thread winner ^^

Absolutely beautiful post, Waiting For Everyman.

[Agschmid]

20. Biased article. I expect nothing less from common dreams.

[randome]

23. The point of this article is that it was a consequential win because some WANT it to be.

No one has ever said that other states don't deserve the chance to vote. No one. But...the math.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"Everybody is just on their feet screaming 'Kill Kill Kill'! This is -hockey- Conservative values!"[/center][/font][hr]

[liberal N proud]

24. I don't think this win is going to make much of a dent in that delegate deficit

17 delegates for Clinton
17 delegates for Sanders

[JoePhilly]

26. Good ole commonfantasies.

[BeyondGeography]

27. This has all the excitement of September baseball

When the players are compiling stats for next year's contracts.

[Trust Buster]

28. Sanders is a Trojan horse. His sole purpose for staying in the race is to hand the election to Trump

[99th_Monkey]

52. Wrong.

Trump is the Trojan Horse if anyone is.

To lob a hand-grenade into the GOP mix, then hand the election to Hillary in the GE.

Remember? Trump & the Clintons are pals, and have been for a long time. It was Bill
who "advised & encouraged" Trump to run in the first place, and he's playing his role perfectly.

[Demsrule86]

32. Bernie won voters who

are so racist, they voted for a felon in jail in order to embarrass the president in 12. This is a state we have not carried in 20 years...so not important. In 08 they admitted in exit polls that race was a factor in voting for Clinton and the admitted this time that though they voted for Bernie...they would never vote for Bernie in the fall but would vote for Trump...sorry this is not a significant win and not just in terms of math.

[Tarc]

35. It is the epitome of inconsequential

Missed his target by 15% or so.

#math

[senz]

50. Why are all the Hill fans so SOUR?

So Bernie won another state. They've been telling us forever that he doesn't stand a chance, so why should this win bother them?

Ungracious when they win and ungracious when they lose.

[99th_Monkey]

53. +10 nt

[Waiting For Everyman]

54. They'd better get used to it

because Bernie's on track to run the table until D.C.

They might get a break in NJ. Or not.

https://www.laprogressive.com/bernie-could-still-win/

[senz]

55. Thanks, WFE.

Maybe this explains why they're even more sour than usual and why we're hearing that Hill is going to run negative ads to try to eliminate Bernie. I hope the Bernie campaign is ready for it. Her campaign can be very, very ugly. Guess I should kick in some more money.

[NurseJackie]

64. If you have to say it's not inconsequential ... it's inconsequential.