2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumRCP: HRC Loses to Trump in OH, Only 1 Point Diff in FL, PA, While Bernie Beats Trump by Wide Margins
Tuesday, May 10
Race/Topic (Click to Sort) Poll Results Spread
Florida: Trump vs. Clinton Quinnipiac Clinton 43, Trump 42 Clinton +1
Ohio: Trump vs. Clinton Quinnipiac Clinton 39, Trump 43 Trump +4
Pennsylvania: Trump vs. Clinton Quinnipiac Clinton 43, Trump 42 Clinton +1
Florida: Trump vs. Sanders Quinnipiac Trump 42, Sanders 44 Sanders +2
Ohio: Trump vs. Sanders Quinnipiac Sanders 43, Trump 41 Sanders +2
Pennsylvania: Trump vs. Sanders Quinnipiac Sanders 47, Trump 41 Sanders +6
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton PPP (D) Clinton 47, Trump 41 Clinton +6
General Election: Trump vs. Sanders PPP (D) Sanders 50, Trump 39 Sanders +11
dsc
(52,166 posts)griffi94
(3,733 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)But if we want to win the GE (does anybody care about the GE?) we will need him. Trump has easily knocked out every Republican they threw at him. Do we want to throw one more Republican at him? It'd be like throwing a steak at a lion.
griffi94
(3,733 posts)Bernie is lame duck candidate.
He's getting crushed by hundreds of deleagtes and millions of votes.
You say Not Yet.
I think in 2024 Bernie will be too old to run again.
It'll be over soon now and his supporters
can give up raging against
the dying of the light.
It's time for Hillary to focus on the GE
She's got this in the bag.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Else why would Hillarians be desperately begging Bernie to quit?
If you don't care about handing the country to Trump, by all means vote for Hillary.
griffi94
(3,733 posts)I'm thrilled.
This is the first time in my life
that my preferred candidate is going to
win the nomination.
This is great.
I'm also enjoying watching the Bernie fans
try to contort reality...and math.
Watching poor losers lose and then watching as they try to
use Bernie math to defy reality.
Then get angry when reality doesn't budge.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Get out of your little lalaland and stop disrespecting your fellow Democrats in WV, CA, OR, etc.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)It's too late...
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Keep telling yourself that everything is OK. Good thing you only care about the past, where your candidate lives. The GE will not be pleasant if she gets the nomination.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)They laughed
Will be interesting at least
Renew Deal
(81,870 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)She built that.
Renew Deal
(81,870 posts)And you get all the benefits. Got it.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Of policy dictated by corporate special interests?
I'll pass. She's got those bases covered on her own.
Renew Deal
(81,870 posts)Your judgement speaks for itself.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)firebrand80
(2,760 posts)Since we're polling impossible races
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)The Establishment wants to make. She has never been elected, on her own, to anything. The New York carpet bagging was fixed for her by the NY Dem Establishment. Other than that, she married into FLOTUS, and got appointed to SOS.
Yes, she has done many good works...and for those I applaud her. But she's just not the right woman for the job at this point in time. 2008 was her shot at it. And since then she's managed to embroil herself in consistent shady events.
Then we have/had Bernie with decades of consistent views and actions and little political baggage.
They got rid of Howard Dean with the Dean Scream, John Kerry with Swiftboating and Bernie with, well, putting all the eggs in Hillary's basket. All three were honest and qualified...emphasis on Honest.
Time will tell.
yellowcanine
(35,701 posts)Why not just say they are Quinnipiac polls? Would be more clear.
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)several huge segments of our own base - how could that possibly go wrong?
If Donald Trump or Jill Stein could have cherry picked a Democratic nominee who will leave millions of dissatisfied Democrats available for poaching, they could not have done a better job than our own super-lobbyist-delegates at tilting the process against grassroots Democrats interest in a candidate who reflects widely held FDR values which unite us rather than dividing us between the neolib/neocons and the FDR Democrats.