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kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
Tue May 10, 2016, 09:53 AM May 2016

Sanders campaign winding down.

Excerpts from the Boston Globe:

To travel with Sanders now — as his chances of capturing the Democratic nomination recede — is to see a politician in transition. He talks more about winning upcoming contests than winning the nomination that once seemed so plausible to his supporters.

Thousands still come to see him — waiting hours — even though the most fervent supporters acknowledge he’s not likely to win.

And the question surrounding him at every turn is: What’s next?

Driving through Kentucky and West Virginia this week there were no Sanders signs in lawns. The field staff in Kentucky was running low on gas money at one point.

The campaign staff has gotten dramatically smaller, with about 200 people laid off last month. Many news organizations have stopped following him.

The fund-raising shrank, too, dipping in April to $26 million from March’s jaw-dropping $44 million.

Sanders’ campaign TV advertising in West Virginia is about as faint as his chances of clinching the nomination: Federal records show that in the state’s largest town he bought a total of three dozen television spots.

The campaign took this weekend off, with Sanders returning to Vermont. He fired off a letter to Democratic National Committee chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz, accusing her of “installing Clinton loyalists” in leading roles on the committees that will oversee the July convention and ignoring most of his suggestions.

Here’s the cruel reality, which was made abundantly clear this week: Even though Sanders bested Clinton in Indiana, the nomination prize actually slid further away. Before votes were tallied, Sanders needed 65 percent of the remaining pledged delegates to overtake Clinton’s edge. Afterward he needed 66 percent.

Does that math seem head-scratching? Yes. But with Indiana done, the pool of remaining pledged delegates grew smaller. That means in order to overcome Clinton’s commanding lead, he needs to win even more of the reduced pot.

The place with enough delegates left for him to overtake her is California, and by then he would probably have to win with an improbable margin of nearly 70 percent of the vote.


http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/05/06/bernie-sanders-campaign-transition-but-not-smooth-one/I1UW3BZwlbfCoAXX8xjAhN/story.html
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Sanders campaign winding down. (Original Post) kstewart33 May 2016 OP
Fuck that noise. n/t kayakjohnny May 2016 #1
Its like a zombie campaign now. nt LexVegas May 2016 #2
A zombie campaign that drew 21,000 people in Sacramento last night. Fawke Em May 2016 #14
+100000000000000000000000000000000000.... whatchamacallit May 2016 #15
Bam! MrMickeysMom May 2016 #19
Zombie campaign = DOA. JaneyVee May 2016 #23
Doesn't look very dead to me. Fawke Em May 2016 #26
Zombie-ism is very contagious. lagomorph777 May 2016 #24
When will you guys learn re: crowds? CorkySt.Clair May 2016 #34
what this tells me is that he is fervent in his message and it is one that people respond to. CTyankee May 2016 #3
The key question for Bernie: What happens after the election? kstewart33 May 2016 #5
I have no idea. It will be interesting to watch. CTyankee May 2016 #7
That is why is important not to just let Clinton and the Democrats slide Armstead May 2016 #17
I agree. kstewart33 May 2016 #43
He's focused on the present campaign and gaining votes and delegates Armstead May 2016 #45
Very pertinent comment from under the article: Surya Gayatri May 2016 #25
Bernie's no fool. I think he is planning his support for her campaign. CTyankee May 2016 #30
He may well have begun his quest with honorable intentions, but his ego seems to have got the better Surya Gayatri May 2016 #33
I don't see him the way you do. I think he is still on a quest. CTyankee May 2016 #36
Seeing Hillary Supporter post about Bernie's ego is fucking rich. frylock May 2016 #38
"...Bernie's ego is f_cking rich." Agree. Over-developed and growing Surya Gayatri May 2016 #39
More herp, less derp. frylock May 2016 #40
.../... Surya Gayatri May 2016 #41
It's not spiteful if you truly don't trust her. Fawke Em May 2016 #16
They will do everything Demsrule86 May 2016 #42
With Trump running a general now, the sooner Bernie winds down the better. CrowCityDem May 2016 #4
Bernie justifies staying in because he polls better than Hillary. oasis May 2016 #44
Sort of like a GREATFUL DEAD tour... brooklynite May 2016 #6
Oh, please. That's just silly. CTyankee May 2016 #8
You're telling me everyone in those crowds is a new attendee? brooklynite May 2016 #10
Most of them, yes. Fawke Em May 2016 #20
Sorry but Bernie is not Jerry Garcia Armstead May 2016 #21
I have no idea. But your comparison to the Grateful Dead is silly. CTyankee May 2016 #29
Ugh. MADem May 2016 #9
At this point, Jane is espousing sour grapes. kstewart33 May 2016 #11
You're complaining about a "golden parachute" that's Fawke Em May 2016 #27
They paid a high price because they wanted Hillary to show up and provide her wisdom... Corporate666 May 2016 #46
"...needed 65 percent of the remaining pledged delegates... Afterward he needed 66 percent Tarc May 2016 #12
"The field staff in Kentucky was running low on gas money at one point" KingFlorez May 2016 #13
Yeah too bad they didn't have a Goldman Sachs Credit Card in hand Armstead May 2016 #22
"The cable network had refused to send a nearby correspondent to interview him in person" amborin May 2016 #18
LOL. Smarmie Doofus May 2016 #28
The small dollar donors have been drying up for Sanders since New York Gothmog May 2016 #31
I donated again this moning Tom Rinaldo May 2016 #32
Support the candidate of your choice Gothmog May 2016 #37
You guys wish. blackspade May 2016 #35

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
14. A zombie campaign that drew 21,000 people in Sacramento last night.
Tue May 10, 2016, 10:59 AM
May 2016




(15,000 in the stadium and the remaining outside).

A zombie campaign that will win West Virginia today.

A zombie campaign that has a chance to shut Clinton out in Oregon.



Gotta love the M$M and Hillary fans. They've been trying to shut Bernie and his supporters' enthusiasm down since Iowa.

Pro-Tip: We don't listen to you guys. We have social media and we will be determining our fate.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
3. what this tells me is that he is fervent in his message and it is one that people respond to.
Tue May 10, 2016, 09:59 AM
May 2016

OK, he's passionate, not cold and calculating. I voted for him in our CT primary. If Hillary wins, I will join my husband and daughter and vote for her in November. No way will I abet a Republican in pursuit of the White House by not voting. That's harmful spite, IMO.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
5. The key question for Bernie: What happens after the election?
Tue May 10, 2016, 10:03 AM
May 2016

He's grown a real movement of millions of supporters. Will he continue to build the movement and into something that actually gets results (e.g., running candidates and the local, state and federal level) or will the movement dissipate?

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
17. That is why is important not to just let Clinton and the Democrats slide
Tue May 10, 2016, 11:09 AM
May 2016

Trimp is noxious and should be squashed like a big.

But the problems that existed before him -- and will exist after he returns to licensing golf courses -- require that Clonton and the Democratic Establishment not be allowed to assume they have a mandate to ignore appx. 40 percent of primary voters, and the larger number of people they reflect.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
43. I agree.
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:35 PM
May 2016

The focus should be on Bernie's movement - how to organize it and grow it so that the hard work starts to get done - getting donations to establish a media presence, ground-up organizing, and laying the groundwork for progressive candidates at the local, state and federal levels.

This should be Bernie's focus, marshaling his supporters for this gargantuan job. So far though, not a peep from him about this far more important work than the hopeless task of getting the nomination.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
45. He's focused on the present campaign and gaining votes and delegates
Tue May 10, 2016, 03:23 PM
May 2016

I doubt he'll think beyond that til it's all over, one way or another.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
25. Very pertinent comment from under the article:
Tue May 10, 2016, 11:47 AM
May 2016
se9705/07/16 08:46 AM

I so wish Bernie would start acting like an effective LEADER of progressive causes rather than a candidate. Progressive policy changes do not occur in one election cycle, but rather down-ticket and at a local level over multiple years.

When I hear Bernie supporters talk about voting for Trump or using all the coded Republican words to attack Hillary I think of how disappointed McCarthy supporters ultimately gave us Nixon and angry Nader supporters led to Bush (and Iraq). I so hope Bernie channels his supporters energy into positive and long-lasting progressive political involvement. But I don't have much hope that will happen.



Sadly, I fear reader "se9705" is probably right...

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
30. Bernie's no fool. I think he is planning his support for her campaign.
Tue May 10, 2016, 12:10 PM
May 2016

He's old enough to remember McCarthy and Nader...

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
33. He may well have begun his quest with honorable intentions, but his ego seems to have got the better
Tue May 10, 2016, 12:26 PM
May 2016

of him recently. It's not easy keeping things in perspective when you're being cheered by thousands of adoring fans.

He's existed in relative obscurity as a back-bench pol for 30 years. For the first time in his life, he finds himself in the national spotlight, and he seems determined to make the most of it for as long as possible.

Whatever the consequences for his recently adopted political party and for the general election.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
36. I don't see him the way you do. I think he is still on a quest.
Tue May 10, 2016, 12:42 PM
May 2016

If he doesn't support Hillary in the end I will change my mind.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
41. .../...
Tue May 10, 2016, 01:34 PM
May 2016

Herp Derp
An expression used when a person, or yourself, has done something extremely stupid and dopey
Person 1: Dude, I just hit my head on the door.
Person 2: HERP DERP.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
16. It's not spiteful if you truly don't trust her.
Tue May 10, 2016, 11:09 AM
May 2016

I am more frightened of her than Trump. And let me explain why before you tell me I'm insane - I'm not.

All of the Democrats and half the Republicans in Congress dislike Trump. They're not about to let him implement any of his agenda. Talk about people who know how to dish out spite. Our Congress makes pre-schoolers look mature.

However, if Clinton decides to "protect Social Security for those who need it most" (i.e. means-test it), all the Third Way Democrats in Congress and nearly all the Republicans - who have been itching to cut it for decades - will be on board to support this Draconian proposal.

That will be the end of Social Security as we know it.

As it took Nixon to go to China, I think it will take Clinton to kill Social Security.

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/6-reasons-joseph-stiglitz-and-other-top-economists-think-means-testing-medicare

You don't have to agree with me on this, of course, and I certainly won't be voting for Trump (but I won't for Clinton, either), but please understand my point of view.

Demsrule86

(68,643 posts)
42. They will do everything
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:01 PM
May 2016

Trump wants...and to think otherwise is foolish. They answer to the same voters. I am so sick of rationalizing voting for an avowed racist who would jail a woman for having an abortion and pick five judges. You don't think Trump is more dangerous than Hillary? Really than you have not been paying attention.

oasis

(49,401 posts)
44. Bernie justifies staying in because he polls better than Hillary.
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:56 PM
May 2016

Did he ever stop to think how her numbers would climb once his zombie campaign is eliminated?

brooklynite

(94,716 posts)
6. Sort of like a GREATFUL DEAD tour...
Tue May 10, 2016, 10:03 AM
May 2016

...his fans travel from show to show, and he always plays his most popular hits.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
20. Most of them, yes.
Tue May 10, 2016, 11:10 AM
May 2016

The average working or middle class voter doesn't have the time nor the money to travel all over the country to see him.

I'm sure that in some of the smaller states where travel is easier many folks went to see him more than once, but that's not true as a general rule.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
21. Sorry but Bernie is not Jerry Garcia
Tue May 10, 2016, 11:11 AM
May 2016

His speeches are not variable solos -- they tend to be the same. And his rallies are a pain in the ass to attend.

Try again for a better justification for the comparative advantage Sanders has in actual enthusiasm.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
29. I have no idea. But your comparison to the Grateful Dead is silly.
Tue May 10, 2016, 12:07 PM
May 2016

Bernie has a serious message and lots of people are listening. I think HRC's campaign is listening and paying attention too.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
9. Ugh.
Tue May 10, 2016, 10:06 AM
May 2016
The presumptive Republican nominee, too, senses Sanders is useful staying in the race as a wedge to split the Democratic party.

“Bernie Sanders has been treated terribly by the Democrats — both with delegates & otherwise,” Trump posted on his Twitter account Thursday night. “He should show them, & run as an Independent.”


That's unhelpful. And so's this:

...his wife, Jane, needed to tape an interview with Neil Cavuto, of Fox News.

She used the opportunity to blast the Democratic Party. “Bernie is bringing millions of people across the country into the Democratic Party, and yet the Democratic Party shuts the door on them and says: ‘Thanks, but no thanks.’ ”



You don't get your way by calling the people in the party who don't agree w/you names. He'd do better if he pivoted and became helpful. The sooner he does that, the better, but he's on his own time line. Nothing anyone says will convince him, save hard numbers and brutal reality.

When the money stops, so will he.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
11. At this point, Jane is espousing sour grapes.
Tue May 10, 2016, 10:11 AM
May 2016

That's all she's got. Except that $200,000 golden parachute in her bank account.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
27. You're complaining about a "golden parachute" that's
Tue May 10, 2016, 11:51 AM
May 2016
less than what corpo-Hill got in in one Wall Street speech?

Corporate666

(587 posts)
46. They paid a high price because they wanted Hillary to show up and provide her wisdom...
Tue May 10, 2016, 06:53 PM
May 2016

..and they paid Sanders a high price to go away and stop destroying their business with her "wisdom".

Either that or they just didn't like someone lying on loan applications, driving them close to bankruptcy, funneling money to friends and family and behaving like a tyrant to the staff.

Consider the mentality of someone who gives a pass to *actual* corruption, and instead focuses on corruption they assume to be there - but that nobody has ever seen or proven. I'll never forget Sanders looking like a bumbling fool when he was challenged to provide ONE single instance of Hillary engaging in impropriety and he just stood there with the deer-in-the-headlights look and realize he'd just been owned.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
12. "...needed 65 percent of the remaining pledged delegates... Afterward he needed 66 percent
Tue May 10, 2016, 10:50 AM
May 2016

I'm glad the media is finally giving the readers the solid math.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
22. Yeah too bad they didn't have a Goldman Sachs Credit Card in hand
Tue May 10, 2016, 11:13 AM
May 2016

Or maybe it would be better if could call Exxon and have them deliver some free gas under the table.

amborin

(16,631 posts)
18. "The cable network had refused to send a nearby correspondent to interview him in person"
Tue May 10, 2016, 11:09 AM
May 2016

This was right after Bernie's big win in Indiana, a crucial battleground state.

It attests to what we know: the M$M has ignored Bernie throughout the entire campaign.

This "article" chronicles some of the anti-democratic behavior that characterizes this
Democratic primary. The M$M and the DNC have been determined to stifle
any threat to their pre-annointed choice. And super delegates in states where Bernie
won by big margins, such as WI, are refusing to honor the choice of the voters in those states.

And people are celebrating this anti-democratic situation and eager for Bernie to
disappear? Unbelievable.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
28. LOL.
Tue May 10, 2016, 11:58 AM
May 2016

>>> Many news organizations have stopped following him. >>>>

I didn't know "many" were following him to begin with. Author should specify which ones, exactly.

I think the piece is just a wee-bit biased.

Gothmog

(145,496 posts)
31. The small dollar donors have been drying up for Sanders since New York
Tue May 10, 2016, 12:10 PM
May 2016

Sanders needed to win New York and failed to come close

Tom Rinaldo

(22,913 posts)
32. I donated again this moning
Tue May 10, 2016, 12:14 PM
May 2016

Dollar for dollar it's the best investment for a progressive future that I can make

Gothmog

(145,496 posts)
37. Support the candidate of your choice
Tue May 10, 2016, 12:56 PM
May 2016

It will be interesting to see what happens as it becomes clearer that Sanders will not get the 67%+ of the remaining delegates to catch Clinton.

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