2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSanders campaign winding down.
Excerpts from the Boston Globe:
Thousands still come to see him waiting hours even though the most fervent supporters acknowledge hes not likely to win.
And the question surrounding him at every turn is: Whats next?
Driving through Kentucky and West Virginia this week there were no Sanders signs in lawns. The field staff in Kentucky was running low on gas money at one point.
The campaign staff has gotten dramatically smaller, with about 200 people laid off last month. Many news organizations have stopped following him.
The fund-raising shrank, too, dipping in April to $26 million from Marchs jaw-dropping $44 million.
Sanders campaign TV advertising in West Virginia is about as faint as his chances of clinching the nomination: Federal records show that in the states largest town he bought a total of three dozen television spots.
The campaign took this weekend off, with Sanders returning to Vermont. He fired off a letter to Democratic National Committee chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz, accusing her of installing Clinton loyalists in leading roles on the committees that will oversee the July convention and ignoring most of his suggestions.
Heres the cruel reality, which was made abundantly clear this week: Even though Sanders bested Clinton in Indiana, the nomination prize actually slid further away. Before votes were tallied, Sanders needed 65 percent of the remaining pledged delegates to overtake Clintons edge. Afterward he needed 66 percent.
Does that math seem head-scratching? Yes. But with Indiana done, the pool of remaining pledged delegates grew smaller. That means in order to overcome Clintons commanding lead, he needs to win even more of the reduced pot.
The place with enough delegates left for him to overtake her is California, and by then he would probably have to win with an improbable margin of nearly 70 percent of the vote.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/05/06/bernie-sanders-campaign-transition-but-not-smooth-one/I1UW3BZwlbfCoAXX8xjAhN/story.html
kayakjohnny
(5,235 posts)LexVegas
(6,092 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)(15,000 in the stadium and the remaining outside).
A zombie campaign that will win West Virginia today.
A zombie campaign that has a chance to shut Clinton out in Oregon.
Gotta love the M$M and Hillary fans. They've been trying to shut Bernie and his supporters' enthusiasm down since Iowa.
Pro-Tip: We don't listen to you guys. We have social media and we will be determining our fate.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Yes... certainly looks like the post to go with here.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Ever watch "Walking Dead?"
CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)CTyankee
(63,912 posts)OK, he's passionate, not cold and calculating. I voted for him in our CT primary. If Hillary wins, I will join my husband and daughter and vote for her in November. No way will I abet a Republican in pursuit of the White House by not voting. That's harmful spite, IMO.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)He's grown a real movement of millions of supporters. Will he continue to build the movement and into something that actually gets results (e.g., running candidates and the local, state and federal level) or will the movement dissipate?
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Trimp is noxious and should be squashed like a big.
But the problems that existed before him -- and will exist after he returns to licensing golf courses -- require that Clonton and the Democratic Establishment not be allowed to assume they have a mandate to ignore appx. 40 percent of primary voters, and the larger number of people they reflect.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)The focus should be on Bernie's movement - how to organize it and grow it so that the hard work starts to get done - getting donations to establish a media presence, ground-up organizing, and laying the groundwork for progressive candidates at the local, state and federal levels.
This should be Bernie's focus, marshaling his supporters for this gargantuan job. So far though, not a peep from him about this far more important work than the hopeless task of getting the nomination.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)I doubt he'll think beyond that til it's all over, one way or another.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)I so wish Bernie would start acting like an effective LEADER of progressive causes rather than a candidate. Progressive policy changes do not occur in one election cycle, but rather down-ticket and at a local level over multiple years.
When I hear Bernie supporters talk about voting for Trump or using all the coded Republican words to attack Hillary I think of how disappointed McCarthy supporters ultimately gave us Nixon and angry Nader supporters led to Bush (and Iraq). I so hope Bernie channels his supporters energy into positive and long-lasting progressive political involvement. But I don't have much hope that will happen.
Sadly, I fear reader "se9705" is probably right...
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)He's old enough to remember McCarthy and Nader...
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)of him recently. It's not easy keeping things in perspective when you're being cheered by thousands of adoring fans.
He's existed in relative obscurity as a back-bench pol for 30 years. For the first time in his life, he finds himself in the national spotlight, and he seems determined to make the most of it for as long as possible.
Whatever the consequences for his recently adopted political party and for the general election.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)If he doesn't support Hillary in the end I will change my mind.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)with every rally.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Herp Derp
An expression used when a person, or yourself, has done something extremely stupid and dopey
Person 1: Dude, I just hit my head on the door.
Person 2: HERP DERP.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I am more frightened of her than Trump. And let me explain why before you tell me I'm insane - I'm not.
All of the Democrats and half the Republicans in Congress dislike Trump. They're not about to let him implement any of his agenda. Talk about people who know how to dish out spite. Our Congress makes pre-schoolers look mature.
However, if Clinton decides to "protect Social Security for those who need it most" (i.e. means-test it), all the Third Way Democrats in Congress and nearly all the Republicans - who have been itching to cut it for decades - will be on board to support this Draconian proposal.
That will be the end of Social Security as we know it.
As it took Nixon to go to China, I think it will take Clinton to kill Social Security.
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/6-reasons-joseph-stiglitz-and-other-top-economists-think-means-testing-medicare
You don't have to agree with me on this, of course, and I certainly won't be voting for Trump (but I won't for Clinton, either), but please understand my point of view.
Demsrule86
(68,643 posts)Trump wants...and to think otherwise is foolish. They answer to the same voters. I am so sick of rationalizing voting for an avowed racist who would jail a woman for having an abortion and pick five judges. You don't think Trump is more dangerous than Hillary? Really than you have not been paying attention.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)oasis
(49,401 posts)Did he ever stop to think how her numbers would climb once his zombie campaign is eliminated?
brooklynite
(94,716 posts)...his fans travel from show to show, and he always plays his most popular hits.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)brooklynite
(94,716 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)The average working or middle class voter doesn't have the time nor the money to travel all over the country to see him.
I'm sure that in some of the smaller states where travel is easier many folks went to see him more than once, but that's not true as a general rule.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)His speeches are not variable solos -- they tend to be the same. And his rallies are a pain in the ass to attend.
Try again for a better justification for the comparative advantage Sanders has in actual enthusiasm.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)Bernie has a serious message and lots of people are listening. I think HRC's campaign is listening and paying attention too.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Bernie Sanders has been treated terribly by the Democrats both with delegates & otherwise, Trump posted on his Twitter account Thursday night. He should show them, & run as an Independent.
That's unhelpful. And so's this:
She used the opportunity to blast the Democratic Party. Bernie is bringing millions of people across the country into the Democratic Party, and yet the Democratic Party shuts the door on them and says: Thanks, but no thanks.
You don't get your way by calling the people in the party who don't agree w/you names. He'd do better if he pivoted and became helpful. The sooner he does that, the better, but he's on his own time line. Nothing anyone says will convince him, save hard numbers and brutal reality.
When the money stops, so will he.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)That's all she's got. Except that $200,000 golden parachute in her bank account.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Corporate666
(587 posts)..and they paid Sanders a high price to go away and stop destroying their business with her "wisdom".
Either that or they just didn't like someone lying on loan applications, driving them close to bankruptcy, funneling money to friends and family and behaving like a tyrant to the staff.
Consider the mentality of someone who gives a pass to *actual* corruption, and instead focuses on corruption they assume to be there - but that nobody has ever seen or proven. I'll never forget Sanders looking like a bumbling fool when he was challenged to provide ONE single instance of Hillary engaging in impropriety and he just stood there with the deer-in-the-headlights look and realize he'd just been owned.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)I'm glad the media is finally giving the readers the solid math.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)That is comically bad.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Or maybe it would be better if could call Exxon and have them deliver some free gas under the table.
amborin
(16,631 posts)This was right after Bernie's big win in Indiana, a crucial battleground state.
It attests to what we know: the M$M has ignored Bernie throughout the entire campaign.
This "article" chronicles some of the anti-democratic behavior that characterizes this
Democratic primary. The M$M and the DNC have been determined to stifle
any threat to their pre-annointed choice. And super delegates in states where Bernie
won by big margins, such as WI, are refusing to honor the choice of the voters in those states.
And people are celebrating this anti-democratic situation and eager for Bernie to
disappear? Unbelievable.
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)>>> Many news organizations have stopped following him. >>>>
I didn't know "many" were following him to begin with. Author should specify which ones, exactly.
I think the piece is just a wee-bit biased.
Gothmog
(145,496 posts)Sanders needed to win New York and failed to come close
Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)Dollar for dollar it's the best investment for a progressive future that I can make
Gothmog
(145,496 posts)It will be interesting to see what happens as it becomes clearer that Sanders will not get the 67%+ of the remaining delegates to catch Clinton.