2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumQuestion: if the Revolution "isn't about Bernie Sanders"...
Why are there so many fawning GIFs and videos about him?
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)Supporting him is supporting his goals.
If in 8 years another candidate credibly runs on his agenda then we may support him or her. And there may be GIFs portraying that candidate.
rateyes
(17,438 posts)Real progressive who primaries her in 4 years. In the meantime we "Berniecrats" will be primarying the third wayers in the mid-terms. The revolution isn't about Bernie even for Bernie. It's about US. We will not be silenced, and Ed Rendell can go fuck himself if he expects us to "behave" (read come to heel) before her majesty. The peasants are restless.
Gomez163
(2,039 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... out of place, out of time, outdated. There's more to a "revolution" than just pointing out the problems, he needed a realistic plan (and voters) to deal with them.
Can't have one without the others. Anger and "willpower" aren't enough.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...Elizabeth Warren's bill to restore Glass-Steagall (require investment banks, savings banks, and insurance companies to be owned by separate corporations.)
Is Warren unrealistic and outdated?
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)Keep the conversation in the context that is running. No need to move the subject matter. Besides, she isn't the only Democrat working for that. Not by a long shot.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...doesn't have realistic plans. Elizabeth Warren's Modern Glass-Steagall Act is one of his plans.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Kinda sad.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)That's about all it is.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)succeeded in something the "experts" would all have declared impossible before he entered the field. In the process he helped a large part of America realize it had actually become fairly comfortable with the world "socialist."
That's not nothing, and he's going to be around for a while. The question to me is whether he will be a statesmanlike progressive leader who can further inspire a nation or a cranky old gadfly sidelined back into relative Senate "obscurity" because he's just too bothersome and irritating to work with.
The DNC's putting only 3 of the 40 of the names he gave them on convention committees suggests he has so far not adopted a workably cooperative approach. Or maybe he's being punished for refusing to fund-raise and make appearances for other candidates? Does anyone have any idea?
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)Maybe that's why DWS is giving Sanders less representation than he should proportionally have.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)as our nominee-to-be she gets "more." As for DWS, she probably didn't particularly like Bernie before this election season. Most of his colleagues don't. BUT, that doesn't mean this is personal.
Not using the national stature he developed to help other Democrats into office was a HUGE failure of the responsibility Sanders assumed when he ran as a Democrat. The entire House is up for reelection, a third of the Senate, many governorships, and hundreds of state offices. He raised many millions of dollars and gave a pittance to 3 candidates (three!) whose ideology he approved of. And what about all colleagues who could have benefited from appearances of support that never happened?
Sanders turned his back on the opportunity to help us Democrats regain majorities in the Senate and even, conceivably in the House. This was a betrayal -- of US, make no mistake. Martin O'Malley would have done his best to elect as many as possible and done it very well.
He also filed that phony suit against the DNC after his staffers committed felony-level theft of important HRC campaign data. And who knows what other sorts of dirty laundry accumulated that they tried to keep in-house to not distract the press even further from the issues?
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)element of a complicated issue. Often these guys/gals have it all "figured out" in one, bolded title, sentence. I'm getting sick of the lack of thought/hubris. But then, that pretty much describes their "leader", so there's that.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Response to Gomez163 (Reply #2)
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Human101948
(3,457 posts)doing the work of the Republicans for free.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Like the direction your projection is taking, Human. Doing good. Keep it up.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)All the things that have been traditional Democratic Party tenets are socialistic government programs. Those of us who want to continue and expand that tradition by adopting socialistic programs like national health care and publlc education beyond high school are real Democrats. The corporate right wing of the Democratic Party fights against those things--somuch so that it is hard to comprehend how they are Democrats.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)Ad no Bernie is not the revolution,he has however, shown many many people,
the truth about how things are run,and how far right the dems have become.
and candidates like clinton and her ilk,are not going to cut it anymore.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)So you are a right winger? Which Republican policies do you ascribe to?
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)and to think I would never have made it....
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)... one should never attempt to shame someone else for their political stances.
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Wilms
(26,795 posts)Why won't she release the transcripts?
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)and is awaiting her transcripts. I would do same. Everyone knows Bernie is not a multi-millionaire and does not own five gaudy mansion compounds and have a Foundation, uh, watching millions come and go.
Release the transcripts, Ms. Clinton. Otherwise STFU about others releasing stuff. And that little trick she pulled of relenting if all others released their speeches...and no one had any. Well, that was a stroke of something...Brock, maybe.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)The revolutionaries have been taking to the streets in towns like Ferguson and Detroit. Other claims at revolution seem to be a distraction taking the countries eyes off the groundswell of support we are seeing for social justice. It appears to be a planned deflection from the great work we are seeing by BLM and others. With the known Paul aspects of the Sanders campaign I believe there is a lot more here than meets the eye. I feel the Sanders campaign very well could be the opposite of a revolution. They are attempting to shut out the real movement we are witnessing.
The "What's Happening" gif is a great symbol. The hands disappear and then reappear. Look at the lights, not my hands.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)are so privileged to laugh at. And, what is "the opposite of a reveloution" unless it is status quo...which, at least in DU, Bernie is not even close.
This pretzeling is dizzying.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)with something more favorable to 99% of this country's citizens. Every other representation is an intentionally false projection for the purpose of ridiculing and discrediting. But you knew that (if you're honest and/or smart).
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)But I think Bernie is more honest. Says what he believes and always has. I think the fact that he is honest and he has stood up for working people even back during the DLC days makes him pretty loved.
dchill
(38,517 posts)Hillary is the vehicle and the symbol of her own aggrandizement. And her followers are fine with that.
RadiationTherapy
(5,818 posts)Because that seems odd.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)I actually went to the internet and read a very interesting timeline of this quote. I thought it was The Buddha, but seems it had American roots. But it is a concept that transcends religious, social or cultural boundaries.
For anyone who cares...
http://fakebuddhaquotes.com/when-the-student-is-ready-the-teacher-will-appear/
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)You and I both know there is not a single act or moment in his 25 years as a US representative/Senator where he did something to enhance his own PERSONAL finances or fame.
Everything he has done for these 25 years has been political in that he is a radical of the type who wants change and works for such and never for his own aggrandizement.
brooklynite
(94,699 posts)Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)is all about, proof of that is the Bernie or bust mentality.
But Bernie the man, cant get any better than him. Not for a white guy, anyway.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)...that even the least photogenic candidate can be inspiring.
The movement isn't about Sanders, and began before Sanders announced his run. The movement isn't about a president, or an ekection, or even about a party.
Vote2016
(1,198 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Y U Bitters?
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)How could anyone "feel the bern" without Bernie?