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Question: if the Revolution "isn't about Bernie Sanders"... (Original Post) brooklynite May 2016 OP
We like him for his goals. Eric J in MN May 2016 #1
If Hillary is elected POTUS, I will support a rateyes May 2016 #15
There is no "revolution." There's just an old socialist have delusions of grandeur. Gomez163 May 2016 #2
Living out the fantasies of his youth ... NurseJackie May 2016 #4
Bernie Sanders is a co-sponsor of Eric J in MN May 2016 #20
How did this move from Bernie to Elizabeth Warren? tonyt53 May 2016 #42
I was responding to the charge that Sanders Eric J in MN May 2016 #48
That is what it turned into. Buzz Clik May 2016 #5
delusions of grandeur? lol a caring, good person us now mentally ill? you are pitiful. wendylaroux May 2016 #8
Buying his own hype KingFlorez May 2016 #16
It might have happened, Gomez. He tried and he actually Hortensis May 2016 #19
Debbie Wasserman Schultz was a Clinton co-chair in 2008. Eric J in MN May 2016 #24
No. Hillary is now our party leader, so of course Hortensis May 2016 #34
Yes. But it takes actual thought, such as your post, to describe an libdem4life May 2016 #25
Yes. Hortensis May 2016 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author Blue Meany May 2016 #31
Wow! The right wing Democrats are out in force... Human101948 May 2016 #33
Bad to help Republicans! Good meme! Hortensis May 2016 #40
No projection, just reading comprehension...attacks on socialism are right wing Human101948 May 2016 #44
same reason the Clinton right fawn over her.they think she's the cats pajamas. wendylaroux May 2016 #3
Someone on the right is fawning over Hillary? Buzz Clik May 2016 #6
yea,right of Bernie wendylaroux May 2016 #9
That is 99.9% of the political spectrum. Buzz Clik May 2016 #11
So in your mind 99% of the political spectrum is to the right of liberal? AgingAmerican May 2016 #22
Wow! I am proudly part of the .01%! Juicy_Bellows May 2016 #43
0.1%. And you should be. There's no shame in one's political beliefs and... Buzz Clik May 2016 #45
Good to hear - being left of/with Bernie seems out of place here lately. Nt. Juicy_Bellows May 2016 #47
yep...many-- center right. Economic Corporate Conservatism with a socially liberal veneer Armstead May 2016 #12
Question: if Hillary "isn't all about Wall Street"... Wilms May 2016 #7
If Trump is not "all about the IRS", why will he not release his tax returns? Buzz Clik May 2016 #10
Perhaps he took a page out of HRCs book...lord knows she's used his... libdem4life May 2016 #27
I love all these GIFs and memes! Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #13
"Revolution" is a campaign slogan. There is nothing revolutionary about Sanders or his platform. NCTraveler May 2016 #14
wrong,both are. wendylaroux May 2016 #18
If it's not a revolution, then why all the "hair on fire" denouncments we libdem4life May 2016 #30
"The Revolution" only ever was a call to participate in replacing failed establishment politics whatchamacallit May 2016 #17
Clueless OP AgingAmerican May 2016 #21
I think Clinton is OK and will vote for her. hollowdweller May 2016 #23
Bernie is the vehicle and the symbol of our revolution. dchill May 2016 #26
Are you asking why movements coalesce around leaders? RadiationTherapy May 2016 #28
When the People are ready, the Leader will appear. libdem4life May 2016 #32
Fail, and an astute political observer such as yourself knows it. Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #29
I'm not writing this about Sanders...I'm writing this about his apparent fan base brooklynite May 2016 #37
Good, yes many of them are guilty of completely misunderstanding what Bernie Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #39
Because our need is so great... Orsino May 2016 #36
They tried to get us all to pose for a group shot, but there was a scheduling conflict Vote2016 May 2016 #38
Haz bitter sadz while candidate is winning? Warren Stupidity May 2016 #41
Of course it's about the candidate. "Stupid" - see John Oliver snowy owl May 2016 #46

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
1. We like him for his goals.
Mon May 9, 2016, 11:24 AM
May 2016

Supporting him is supporting his goals.

If in 8 years another candidate credibly runs on his agenda then we may support him or her. And there may be GIFs portraying that candidate.

rateyes

(17,438 posts)
15. If Hillary is elected POTUS, I will support a
Mon May 9, 2016, 11:34 AM
May 2016

Real progressive who primaries her in 4 years. In the meantime we "Berniecrats" will be primarying the third wayers in the mid-terms. The revolution isn't about Bernie even for Bernie. It's about US. We will not be silenced, and Ed Rendell can go fuck himself if he expects us to "behave" (read come to heel) before her majesty. The peasants are restless.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
4. Living out the fantasies of his youth ...
Mon May 9, 2016, 11:29 AM
May 2016

... out of place, out of time, outdated. There's more to a "revolution" than just pointing out the problems, he needed a realistic plan (and voters) to deal with them.

Can't have one without the others. Anger and "willpower" aren't enough.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
20. Bernie Sanders is a co-sponsor of
Mon May 9, 2016, 11:48 AM
May 2016

...Elizabeth Warren's bill to restore Glass-Steagall (require investment banks, savings banks, and insurance companies to be owned by separate corporations.)

Is Warren unrealistic and outdated?

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
42. How did this move from Bernie to Elizabeth Warren?
Mon May 9, 2016, 12:19 PM
May 2016

Keep the conversation in the context that is running. No need to move the subject matter. Besides, she isn't the only Democrat working for that. Not by a long shot.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
48. I was responding to the charge that Sanders
Mon May 9, 2016, 02:42 PM
May 2016

...doesn't have realistic plans. Elizabeth Warren's Modern Glass-Steagall Act is one of his plans.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
19. It might have happened, Gomez. He tried and he actually
Mon May 9, 2016, 11:44 AM
May 2016

succeeded in something the "experts" would all have declared impossible before he entered the field. In the process he helped a large part of America realize it had actually become fairly comfortable with the world "socialist."

That's not nothing, and he's going to be around for a while. The question to me is whether he will be a statesmanlike progressive leader who can further inspire a nation or a cranky old gadfly sidelined back into relative Senate "obscurity" because he's just too bothersome and irritating to work with.

The DNC's putting only 3 of the 40 of the names he gave them on convention committees suggests he has so far not adopted a workably cooperative approach. Or maybe he's being punished for refusing to fund-raise and make appearances for other candidates? Does anyone have any idea?

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
24. Debbie Wasserman Schultz was a Clinton co-chair in 2008.
Mon May 9, 2016, 11:52 AM
May 2016

Maybe that's why DWS is giving Sanders less representation than he should proportionally have.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
34. No. Hillary is now our party leader, so of course
Mon May 9, 2016, 12:08 PM
May 2016

as our nominee-to-be she gets "more." As for DWS, she probably didn't particularly like Bernie before this election season. Most of his colleagues don't. BUT, that doesn't mean this is personal.

Not using the national stature he developed to help other Democrats into office was a HUGE failure of the responsibility Sanders assumed when he ran as a Democrat. The entire House is up for reelection, a third of the Senate, many governorships, and hundreds of state offices. He raised many millions of dollars and gave a pittance to 3 candidates (three!) whose ideology he approved of. And what about all colleagues who could have benefited from appearances of support that never happened?

Sanders turned his back on the opportunity to help us Democrats regain majorities in the Senate and even, conceivably in the House. This was a betrayal -- of US, make no mistake. Martin O'Malley would have done his best to elect as many as possible and done it very well.

He also filed that phony suit against the DNC after his staffers committed felony-level theft of important HRC campaign data. And who knows what other sorts of dirty laundry accumulated that they tried to keep in-house to not distract the press even further from the issues?

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
25. Yes. But it takes actual thought, such as your post, to describe an
Mon May 9, 2016, 11:53 AM
May 2016

element of a complicated issue. Often these guys/gals have it all "figured out" in one, bolded title, sentence. I'm getting sick of the lack of thought/hubris. But then, that pretty much describes their "leader", so there's that.


Response to Gomez163 (Reply #2)

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
40. Bad to help Republicans! Good meme!
Mon May 9, 2016, 12:17 PM
May 2016

Like the direction your projection is taking, Human. Doing good. Keep it up.

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
44. No projection, just reading comprehension...attacks on socialism are right wing
Mon May 9, 2016, 12:23 PM
May 2016

All the things that have been traditional Democratic Party tenets are socialistic government programs. Those of us who want to continue and expand that tradition by adopting socialistic programs like national health care and publlc education beyond high school are real Democrats. The corporate right wing of the Democratic Party fights against those things--somuch so that it is hard to comprehend how they are Democrats.

wendylaroux

(2,925 posts)
3. same reason the Clinton right fawn over her.they think she's the cats pajamas.
Mon May 9, 2016, 11:28 AM
May 2016

Ad no Bernie is not the revolution,he has however, shown many many people,

the truth about how things are run,and how far right the dems have become.

and candidates like clinton and her ilk,are not going to cut it anymore.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
22. So in your mind 99% of the political spectrum is to the right of liberal?
Mon May 9, 2016, 11:50 AM
May 2016

So you are a right winger? Which Republican policies do you ascribe to?

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
45. 0.1%. And you should be. There's no shame in one's political beliefs and...
Mon May 9, 2016, 12:23 PM
May 2016

... one should never attempt to shame someone else for their political stances.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
27. Perhaps he took a page out of HRCs book...lord knows she's used his...
Mon May 9, 2016, 11:57 AM
May 2016

and is awaiting her transcripts. I would do same. Everyone knows Bernie is not a multi-millionaire and does not own five gaudy mansion compounds and have a Foundation, uh, watching millions come and go.

Release the transcripts, Ms. Clinton. Otherwise STFU about others releasing stuff. And that little trick she pulled of relenting if all others released their speeches...and no one had any. Well, that was a stroke of something...Brock, maybe.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
14. "Revolution" is a campaign slogan. There is nothing revolutionary about Sanders or his platform.
Mon May 9, 2016, 11:34 AM
May 2016

The revolutionaries have been taking to the streets in towns like Ferguson and Detroit. Other claims at revolution seem to be a distraction taking the countries eyes off the groundswell of support we are seeing for social justice. It appears to be a planned deflection from the great work we are seeing by BLM and others. With the known Paul aspects of the Sanders campaign I believe there is a lot more here than meets the eye. I feel the Sanders campaign very well could be the opposite of a revolution. They are attempting to shut out the real movement we are witnessing.

The "What's Happening" gif is a great symbol. The hands disappear and then reappear. Look at the lights, not my hands.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
30. If it's not a revolution, then why all the "hair on fire" denouncments we
Mon May 9, 2016, 12:00 PM
May 2016

are so privileged to laugh at. And, what is "the opposite of a reveloution" unless it is status quo...which, at least in DU, Bernie is not even close.

This pretzeling is dizzying.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
17. "The Revolution" only ever was a call to participate in replacing failed establishment politics
Mon May 9, 2016, 11:36 AM
May 2016

with something more favorable to 99% of this country's citizens. Every other representation is an intentionally false projection for the purpose of ridiculing and discrediting. But you knew that (if you're honest and/or smart).

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
23. I think Clinton is OK and will vote for her.
Mon May 9, 2016, 11:50 AM
May 2016

But I think Bernie is more honest. Says what he believes and always has. I think the fact that he is honest and he has stood up for working people even back during the DLC days makes him pretty loved.

dchill

(38,517 posts)
26. Bernie is the vehicle and the symbol of our revolution.
Mon May 9, 2016, 11:57 AM
May 2016

Hillary is the vehicle and the symbol of her own aggrandizement. And her followers are fine with that.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
32. When the People are ready, the Leader will appear.
Mon May 9, 2016, 12:06 PM
May 2016

I actually went to the internet and read a very interesting timeline of this quote. I thought it was The Buddha, but seems it had American roots. But it is a concept that transcends religious, social or cultural boundaries.

For anyone who cares...

http://fakebuddhaquotes.com/when-the-student-is-ready-the-teacher-will-appear/

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
29. Fail, and an astute political observer such as yourself knows it.
Mon May 9, 2016, 11:59 AM
May 2016

You and I both know there is not a single act or moment in his 25 years as a US representative/Senator where he did something to enhance his own PERSONAL finances or fame.

Everything he has done for these 25 years has been political in that he is a radical of the type who wants change and works for such and never for his own aggrandizement.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
39. Good, yes many of them are guilty of completely misunderstanding what Bernie
Mon May 9, 2016, 12:17 PM
May 2016

is all about, proof of that is the Bernie or bust mentality.

But Bernie the man, cant get any better than him. Not for a white guy, anyway.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
36. Because our need is so great...
Mon May 9, 2016, 12:14 PM
May 2016

...that even the least photogenic candidate can be inspiring.

The movement isn't about Sanders, and began before Sanders announced his run. The movement isn't about a president, or an ekection, or even about a party.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
46. Of course it's about the candidate. "Stupid" - see John Oliver
Mon May 9, 2016, 12:26 PM
May 2016

How could anyone "feel the bern" without Bernie?

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