2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSo, on a scale of 1-10, how confident are you about next Tuesday?
With 10 being certain of an Obama re-election, and 1 being a sense that we're doomed.
I put myself at about a 6 - It's closer than I'd prefer, but the electoral college polling has me optimistic.
TexasCPA
(527 posts)The WI recall eroded my capacity for confidence.
We need feet that stand in voting booths.
leftylauren
(51 posts)election? I most of us were being overly optimistic trying to read something into those polls that wasn't there.
I think Obama has the polls (electoral college) on his side and it's the other side that is being overly optimistic this time around. Just my two cents.
BlueDemKev
(3,003 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)The polls were off a whopping. 1/10 of a percent.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,446 posts)that a lot people weren't necessarily voting FOR Walker, they were voting AGAINST the recall itself. They had a poll out right after that recall that most people were still going to vote for President Obama. While that number has, of course, tightened, it is promising that the defeat of the recall wasn't necessarily an endorsement of Walker let alone Republicans.
madaboutharry
(40,234 posts)Ter
(4,281 posts)Major jinx, unless you're 15 points ahead.
madaboutharry
(40,234 posts)Ter
(4,281 posts)I'm just nervous still.
madaboutharry
(40,234 posts)You'll see! Jinxes, hexes, evil spells, voodoo, and whatever is just mumbo jumbo. The only thing that determines an election is the number of people who vote for each candidate.
Obama is gonna win!
Maximumnegro
(1,134 posts)BOO!
flowomo
(4,740 posts)too much conflicting info out there to be more optimistic, or pessimistic
MichiganVote
(21,086 posts)WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)mucifer
(23,576 posts)I'd say 9 out of 10.
Floyd_Gondolli
(1,277 posts)Sandy has muddied the water a bit. But I like what I see from our president.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)As confident as I was that the Miami Heat would be the 2011-2012 NBA Champions and Team USA would win Gold at the Olympics. Not a doubt in my mind.
I would bet my liver to a Trump million.
AndyA
(16,993 posts)Private corporations with GOP-leaning ownership developed and built so many of the voting machines in use. If not for that, I'd feel a lot better than I do, but I still think Obama will win because I keep telling myself people really are NOT that stupid.
(Then they prove me wrong!) (Again.)
Edit for correct smilie.
rug
(82,333 posts)still_one
(92,454 posts)Maximumnegro
(1,134 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,169 posts)I wish it was higher, but..........
Summer Hathaway
(2,770 posts)goes up to 11. And it's been at 11 since before the re-election process even started.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)TDale313
(7,820 posts)Be higher if I weren't concerned about Repug dirty tricks/election fraud. But my gut says Obama's gonna win big.
Alekei_Firebird
(320 posts)OH's nearly a lock by now. Therefore, Obama's nearly a lock for re-election.
chadnky
(18 posts)The president has the advantage in the states he needs to win.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)krawhitham
(4,648 posts)mil_5529dem
(37 posts)I really can't wait until it's over.
angrychair
(8,738 posts)10 10 10 10
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)SingleSeatBiggerMeat
(220 posts)Because even Romney and Eddie can't put together a 270 EV map...and it's a week out.
GeorgeGist
(25,324 posts)I'd say that Obama's re-election (10) won't offset the doom (0).
demOcrat11
(57 posts)Only because im being naive about politics at this moment in time.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)Pisces
(5,602 posts)underpants
(182,949 posts)leftylauren
(51 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)Just pulled that out of my hat
kerouac2
(449 posts)I can't see them letting Obama win ohio -- or any close state where they have their machines.
Phx_Dem
(11,198 posts)We are in good shape to win w/o OH even though we will win it if they don't rig the machines. I don't think they can steal it this time.
kerouac2
(449 posts)I think they're setting their sights on stealing several states to give Romney a bigger "victory," including Ohio. A few hundred thousand flipped votes here and there using their machines, without any accountability or solid proof of wrongdoing. These guys are brazen. Look at their campaign - who would ever think a candidate and campaign built entirely on lies would be in this position. You would think that at some point a candidate should be disqualified for being a cheater... but there are no ref's. Even when their guys get caught destroying voter registrations, they get off... it's shameful.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)davidn3600
(6,342 posts)tweeternik
(255 posts)WestSeattle2
(1,730 posts)ItsTheMediaStupid
(2,800 posts)Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)but I'm hoping for a happy surprise in the house
helpisontheway
(5,008 posts)MFM008
(19,823 posts)period
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)Phx_Dem
(11,198 posts)But still nervous because its SO IMPORTANT.
BlueDemKev
(3,003 posts)I'm hoping upon hope we are able to pull thru in Ohio, Wisconsin, and Nevada while holding onto to Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Minnesota (which we should). I have NO faith in the voters from Florida or Virginia, and Colorado and Iowa are neck-and-neck.
GET OUT AND VOTE!!!
struggle4progress
(118,379 posts)cdb
(1,067 posts)A solid six. Obama wins but not by a fucking mandate
BlueMan Votes
(903 posts)3.1416.
blue-kite
(432 posts)WCGreen
(45,558 posts)PlanetBev
(4,104 posts)I'm feeling that Obama might get a boost in the last week, as he is his usual calm, assured self in the face of the east coast crisis.
trixie
(867 posts)I just don't know. Too many stupid UAW pals are more racist then bright.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,446 posts)I like the polling in most of the swing states and some of the reports regarding early voting, particularly in Ohio. I'm still a little anxious about what shenanigans the Repubs might pull out at the last minute that *might* tip the scales to Romney, as well as this "True the Vote" teabagger group that's supposed to be flooding urban (read: minority) polling places with their minions to mess up the works. Hopefully, they get kicked out or not even allowed to enter in the first place. How what they are planning to do is remotely legal is beyond me.
Overall, I'm pretty optimistic that President Obama will pull off a decent margin of victory. He's got so many routes to 270 EV that Romney would have to be doing much better at this late stage to pull off one of his narrow routes to victory. I just can't envision a total Obama collapse on Election Night and Romney upset. I just can't- absent some serious and widespread vote manipulation. I also don't believe that it will be close enough to trigger a contested election either. My map at 270towin.com, based on current polling averages on TPM suggest around 303 EV: http://www.270towin.com/
DCBob
(24,689 posts)My only fear is our side may not show up in the numbers we need.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)They'll be there, they see what happened last time they sat on their hands.
Four More Years.
Maximumnegro
(1,134 posts)past couple weeks? LOL. FL, IA, NC, NV did not get the chicken little memo.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Im just saying if I have any tiny doubt at all... its turnout. We Dems often have a problem with that.
sofa king
(10,857 posts)Mitt Romney is a sociopath and if he's set up the criminal half of his operation properly, there is a line of cut-outs between him and the election thieves I think he is contacting this week by visiting "lost" states.
The smart play at this point would be to contact the election thieves and tell them to back off this time, so that their efforts are not statistically identifiable.
But Mitt isn't smart like that. This is the closest he's ever going to get to the White House, and if he's properly insulated, he personally risks nothing by coercing bought election officials into trying to flip a landslide.
With no personal risk, Romney will be inclined to do what's best for himself, since he doesn't actually care about anyone else. Sociopaths never lack audacity, or contempt for the law.
We have to expect this dishonest, malevolent candidate to behave dishonestly and malevolently. That's the part that worries me.
RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)Obama is gonna mop the floor with Romney.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)doc03
(35,389 posts)BlueDemKev
(3,003 posts)I realize Ohio isn't a done deal by any means, but why do you feel Obama can't win the state?
doc03
(35,389 posts)the last 40 plus years most have lost more than half their population. Labor unions have also been decimated and I also sense a lot more enthusiasm for the anti-Obama vote than for Obama. Cleveland was the largest city in Ohio a few decades ago now Columbus is twice its size. Cincinnati and Dayton are Republican strongholds. I hope I am wrong, I didn't think Obama would carry Ohio the last time but we were facing another great depression then too..
BlueDemKev
(3,003 posts)I mean, yes, I know we can still get to 270 without Ohio, but it will be a VERY tall order. We need to try very hard with our GOTV efforts in Ohio and secure its 18 electoral votes.
obamanut2012
(26,158 posts)budkin
(6,722 posts)Still worried about vote flipping
SEMOVoter
(202 posts)Only because I'm cautious.
Third Doctor
(1,574 posts)We have a high quality candidate in the President but they are lot of voter who are blind to that.
quaker bill
(8,225 posts)johnnyrocket
(1,773 posts)ncav53
(168 posts)Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)reflection
(6,286 posts)No seriously, about a 7.
On edit: great minds think alike
NEDem
(1,513 posts)smackd
(216 posts)I feel good
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)In the season opener:
http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=400277722
ChangeUp106
(549 posts)A 9 because of the electoral college. Without it, a 6.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)Call it a seven for the Senate, and a 404 for the House since I haven't been following the polling at that level (though I'm nervous about it).
cecilfirefox
(784 posts)faithfulcitizen
(3,191 posts)sofa king
(10,857 posts)This fix is always in when Republicans are around, but they're not close enough to steal it and they'll go to jail forever if they try. You can't flip a landslide.
So the election thieves are going to back off this time, resulting in unexpected success.
And the bad guys will have pissed away a billion dollars, too.
flamingdem
(39,332 posts)sakabatou
(42,186 posts)courseofhistory
(801 posts)smitra
(290 posts)Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Rowdyboy
(22,057 posts)SLCLiberal
(102 posts)5.
If Obama wins it will be by 15-20 points.
trouble.smith
(374 posts)Bleacher Creature
(11,258 posts)Almost universally good news. Other than the meaningless national polls, things look positive.
trouble.smith
(374 posts)close enough that I have to rate my confidence as a 5-neither optimistic nor pessimistic, just of the belief that this could go either way. I think Romney currently has the momentum too. Obama is best when he has a strong head of steam propelling him forward and I'm not seeing that right now. I think Romney has offensive momentum going into the final week and that's not really a position you want your opponent in at this stage of the game.
NCLefty
(3,678 posts)Which is a lot better than 3ish that I give Romney
Tree-Hugger
(3,370 posts)It's good numerology.
rayofreason
(2,259 posts)In the past few weeks I've been driving around NH, OH, NC, and FL (work trips). Seen a lot more Romney signs in yards than Obama signs. Not a scientific sample by any means, but combined with the newest from Gallup (especially early voting)
http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx
there is real reason for concern.
TheSlayer
(25 posts)I suggest you go read Nate Silver on why Gallup is irrelevant...and stupid.
I trust Nate more than I trust anyone out there.
.....and only seeing Romney signs means not one damned thing except that with all the threats and violence coming from the right, a lot of Obama supporters, particularly ones with kids or pets, are not putting their signs up.
My number is 10.
I also think we aren't the only ones who learned from what happened to Gore. To assume Obama will ALLOW this election to be stolen from him is to assume he is naive and powerless and I do not think that about him. I think he is smart and crafty and used to dealing with stupid crooked assed white people. We have the DOJ, the UN, the AFL-CIO have said they will have 1000s of people on the ground and the ACLU...and we have our own computer geeks.
Hand wringing...blech. I think I will change my number to 11.
rayofreason
(2,259 posts)By the way, do you know of anyone who is collecting a catalog of verified acts of violence, threats and vandalism against Obama supporters? I think that it would be a very good project to undertake so that a factual record can be presented.
Regarding the rest of your post, I guess we will see in a few days.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)mzmolly
(51,010 posts)Adenoid_Hynkel
(14,093 posts)thought it would be interesting to take the temperature of this place, and see where it stood vs. my own level of confidence
JiminyJominy
(340 posts)Where Intrade is...
6.5ish.
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)anijh
(5 posts)mvd
(65,180 posts)Love how the swing state polls have been looking. The past few days have eased my worry.