Joy Reid and her panel on MSNBC are intelligently explaining why Bernie lost.

[onehandle]

Now taking about how 'off-putting' Bernie Bros and their haranguing of Hillary supporters are to African-Americans. One panelist said that he would gladly vote for Bernie in the GE if he had won, but it would be hard to stand side by side with them.

Go Joy!

[jazzwinders]

1. Yes!

I enjoyed the segment.

[Sky Masterson]

2. You mean Shilling for Hillary

May as well watch fox.

[DURHAM D]

3. Joy started this primary season as a BS supporter.

Your loss.

[Sky Masterson]

4. If BS means Bull Shit

She still supports it.

[pinebox]

7. link please

[JaneyVee]

6. Oh is FOX shilling for Hillz too nowadays?

Where do you guys get this stuff?

[Sky Masterson]

8. No.

Fox News is = to MSNBC.
Also, We get this stuff by seeing and hearing it come out of the gobs of shills.

[Dem2]

13. Yes there must be a place where they have fluffy bunnies

Where everything is right with the world and nobody ever criticizes your candidate.

[Sky Masterson]

16. No, silly

I want fair criticism of all candidates NOT set up hit pieces.
Fluffy Bunnies for Hillary seems to be what her clan loves the most about MSNBS

[Dem2]

19. Alas, you see things through your bias filter

Hillary supporters are just so used to her being criticized, that they don't worry about it. I like both candidates and what I see is very neutral. There is no candidate I see get an interview for one hour with easy questions like Rachel did for Bernie last night.

[Sky Masterson]

29. When I see time after time on MSNBC

That when Maddow herself interviews Sanders she is mostly nice and civil.
My problem is how she handles it once the Mic is cut.
She does it all of the time. She interviewed Sanders about a month ago and asked him about staying in the race and convincing the Super Delegates to vote for him. Which she knew the answer for before she even asked it. Directly afterward she acted like it was surprise news and invited Chris Hayes on to trash him for ten minutes.
She is a hack.

[Dem2]

32. I dare you to try to imagine what it's like for Hillary supporters

She is just smashed and bashed without concern for her supporters. And you know what her supporters are so used to it they don't even care.

[Sky Masterson]

37. I know a few Clinton Supporters

I call them friends.
Still, I get tired of all of the "Bernie Drop out" bullshit I see here.
It isn't helping.
I went from holding my nose and voting for Clinton to refusing to even do that.
It has made me reconsider everything I believed about the Democratic Party.
It showed me that besides a few dozen wedge issues that they are all cogs in the same messed up machine.
Nihilism is starting to sound not so bad at this point.

[Dem2]

43. I am with you, I am not liking all the silly Dropout now threads

On the other hand, if I ever admitted that people on the internet affected how I might vote, I would be extremely embarrassed to admit that. The internet is fake and if you take to heart what you read here you may want to get out and enjoy life a little more. ( my sentiments regarding cable news are similar)

[Sky Masterson]

46. I know a lot of it is fake

I know most people here post stuff just to get a rise out of the other side.
It wasn't just those people, it was a mixture of those people and Cable news.
I think it was also my realization about this place here on DU,
I had a poster reply to one of my threads a few weeks back saying basically that "DU was never a Bastion of Liberalism, It was Anti-Bush and Anti-Republican". And they were right.
That was a big factor in my awakening.
Anyways, Its nice to leave a debate with a stranger nicely.
For this I wish you a happy day.
Peace.

[JaneyVee]

5. Sadly, it will be the only thing people will remember of Bernie's legacy.

Turning anyone with a different opinion into enemy scapegoats.

[brush]

10. Yeah, it's amazing. They're automatic with the negatives. It's out of their mouths . . .

is seems without even thinking.

To so many of them Clinton is the worst person ever to have lived, but what they don't realize is

that they've been conditioned by 25 years of the constant repug attacks on Hillary and they've

ingested it and believe every bit of the hype. You can't convince them otherwise even though her

and Bernie agree 93% of the time.

[Armstead]

17. Absolute nonsense...Self inflicted damage and Corporate Conservative policies

None of the things that people on the left and in the middle have problems with are the result of "being conditioned by rebublican attacks." They were the result of their own choices and behavior.

The RW did not force Bill Clinton to perform illicit sex in the White House offices, and then drag the country through two years of political paralysis by lying about it in court.

The Clinton's chose to become corporate shills and join the oligarchical elites to cash in on public service.

No one forced Hillary to vote for the Iraq War.

Hillary chose not to follow standard and suggested communications protocols as SOS.

[brush]

18. There you go — the worse person ever to walk the earth. Even Trump is better.

[bahrbearian]

11. " Iraq war just a difference of Opinion" Oops I made a mistake, no need to apologize.

[uponit7771]

50. I'm really soured on the far left or socialist now, first Nader now Sanders... both seem like the

... type to burn the village to save it and then do no work to build it back up

[griffi94]

56. Extremists on the right and left

are pretty much the same.
No real plan except burn it all down.

[annavictorious]

58. Real socialists have been calling Sanders out on his faux socialism for the better part of a decade

but the hipster neosocialists support him anyway.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2006/11/15/a-socialist-in-the-senate/

[CrowCityDem]

9. Many of Bernie's fans didn't get the message...

that it was supposed to be a 'positive' campaign.

Granted, the way it's been the last month, you wouldn't know that by listening to Bernie. But their behavior started when Bernie was still trying to act civil.

[oasis]

21. anti-Hillary cultists existed long before Bernie came on the scene. Many

are using his "revolution" as a vehicle to unleash their festering Hillary hate.

[Armstead]

26. No using his "revolution" to get the Democrats to turn the page from the 90's....

and actually become a party of the center-to-left, instead of the center-to-right corporate Wall St. stranglehold that the Clintons and the DLC mindset have imposed since the late 1980's.

[oasis]

31. "Many" meaning a certain percentage of anti-Hillary cultists. I'm not

using the term "Berniebros" because my comment wasn't meant to be a broad brush indictment of Bernie's followers, or his movement.

[Armstead]

35. Okay -- Just so long as you recognize the different variety of we Berniebros

Just as i try to keep in mind the difference between Lloyd Blankfein and the average Clinton supporter

[oasis]

38. I meet Bernie supporters almost daily. None are the nasty types

I've seen in MSM or DU-GDP.

[Adrahil]

42. Except there is no revolution!

For Bernie, it's the Bernie show. He hasn't built a movement. He hasn't mobilized candidates. The Sandernistas are just focused on getting this one old 70's style social Democrat elected, and they think that will usher in the era of a social democracy in the USA. It's completely delusional. That's not how the political system in this country works.

[Armstead]

49. yes we are all stupid and shallow and have not been involved with anything

Could you possibly painted with a broader brush? There are many involved and/or supporting him who have been involved in issus and politics in varying and differing ways for decades. (I'm 64 and worked in the primary campaign of Sen. Fed Harris in the 70's.)

[Adrahil]

63. Well, where is it?

You wanna see an effective movement? The Teapublicans. They're asshats, but they are EFFECTIVE asshats. When they formed, they did not form around one leader. Nope, they actaully DID form a movement. They formed candidate slates up and down the ballot. And most importantly, they VOTED. Not just in the flashy Presidential election, but in dead-ass boring LOCAL elections.

I'll believe that Bernie is interested in a movement when he actually organizes one. Right now, it is the Bernie show. And if that doesn't change soon, this is over and forgotten in 6 months. He should be looking to recruit candidates to run at every level, and mobilizing and organizing voters to get them elected. THAT is how a movement will succeed. Not this brain-dead Bernie or Bust bullshit.

[Bluenorthwest]

12. Her viewership numbers tend to reflect the fact that she badmouths a large number of her

potential viewers and discounts the millions of Americans who are still voting in an active Primary cycle. It's an interesting choice. Didn't she used to have a show five times a week? And now, she's just weekends? Interesting choice.

[Surya Gayatri]

14. Her program is SO GOOD! Well-researched, good cross-section of guests.

I could listen to her for hours.

[rhett o rick]

15. I notice that the none-progressives shy away from actually judging Sen Sanders

on positions on issues, but concentrate on ridiculing his supporters.

By the way, progressives have been pointing out for years the bias of the Corp owned media. The media that has donated money to help Clinton win.

[YouDig]

22. Sanders isn't relevant anymore.

[rhett o rick]

23. Welcome to DU.

Full Ignore

[YouDig]

25. Is there "partial ignore"? I don't know how that works.

[Eric J in MN]

41. In 2004, Howard Dean supporters were ridiculed by the pundits.

In 2008, Obama supporters were.

Supporters of candidates who opposed the Iraq War are dirty hippies to the pundits.

[rhett o rick]

44. Clinton followers are in a tough spot. Trying to justify conservative values

that clearly won't help anyone but the 1%, so they must rely on ad hominem attacks. They will say she has experience but won't elaborate. Experience with regime change, yes, experience with helping corporations make more profits, yes. They will say she is tough. Tough on the AA community with her tough laws and sentencing, filling her Prisons For Profits. And she is tough on those suffering that would get relief from medical marijuana. How can she justify telling someone suffering in pain that we need to study medical marijuana more.

[annavictorious]

60. Are you referencing the

1994 Crime Bill? Sanders voted for it.

[rhett o rick]

62. Wow. Under 200 posts.

With Regard to the Crime Bill, Sen Sanders tried numerous times to get the parts of the bill removed
that pertained to the harsh sentencing that was supported by the Clintons. You can see him on youtube arguing against.

The House version of the Crime Bill included a ban on semi-automatic assault weapons. Sanders had supported the ban since 1988. The conference committee version included not only the assault weapons ban but also the Violence Against Women Act provisions. Sanders supported these efforts to protect women. Shame on those that try to smear him.

As far as Hillary Clinton let's review what Black Lives Matters has to say about her:

"Make no mistake, Hillary Clinton's efforts to push these policies resulted in the continued destruction of Black communities and the swift growth of our mass incarceration crisis.”

The policies that she pushed filled the Prisons For Profits that in turn were very generous to her. Did she personally profit from these "tough" policies? Do her followers believe toughness is more important than empathy?

On edit: Oh yeah, nothing personal but on to Full Ignore for you.

[uponit7771]

51. The privileged think they can define who's progressive

[Armstead]

20. They chose her because they needed a POC who is "safe" to replace Melissa Harris Perry

Perry was a holdover from the days when MSNBC actually tried to have progressive and thought provoking sontent on weekend mornings. She didn't follow any particular party line.

Now that the network is trying to become more "respectable," MSNBClinton had to find someone to replace her that would not rock the boat.

[YouDig]

24. That's a Trumpish statement if I've ever heard one. Right there with the "woman card."

[Armstead]

28. Nope....MSNBC caught all kinds of flack after Perry was dumped

They were criticized for removing an outspoken POC and generally scaling back on the number of minorities on air.

Reid is the replacement, but one who will continue the MSNBClinton obsession with the election horse-race over issues and the Clinton is inevitable narrative.

[CrowCityDem]

27. MPH was good, but missed the boat.

She got pre-empted because of election coverage during an election year. So did practically everyone else on daytime and weekend duty for a while. She was the only one who seemed to have an issue with the network putting on programming centered on THE big story.

I get that she didn't like it, but her tone when she left made it sound like she was the only one it happened to, and it was partly because of her race. The campaign was bigger than anyone at the network at the time. That was obvious.

[Armstead]

30. Um the rest of life does not stop during an election

MSNBC once actually went somewhat below the surface and covered issues and stories outside the MSM frame. But they chose to become the equivalent of ESPN for the elections.

[CrowCityDem]

34. The network is branded "the place for politics",

so of course they're going to focus the majority of their time and energy on the Presidential race. When this was happening, it was around the time of South Carolina. There were more than a dozen candidates on both sides, and tons of plots and subplots to talk about. Having your bosses tell you to focus on the single biggest story in the country is not something to get upset about.

[uponit7771]

53. Yeah, you're right.. the black women didn't earn that position :rolleyes:@60sTypeWhiteMaleThinking

[Armstead]

55. No she earned the position....But MSNBClinton's corproate strategy is what it is

Perry used to talk about racial and social justice issues and brought all kinds of topics and people and perspectives usually kept out of the MSM.(She also didn't hew to any party line, equally critical of Clinton and Sanders.)

Now it's back to shallow horse-race business as usual in the slot.

MSNBC was also criticized for yanking her and otehr POC. So they needed a POC to look like they weren't being discriminatory.

Welcome to corporate media.

[annavictorious]

61. Welcome to Joy's Facebook wall.

I bet Joy is just one of those Black confederates from Brooklyn that the bros were complaining about.

[ladjf]

33. MSNBC has become irrelevant as a news entity. Their main product now is

political propaganda.

[Eric J in MN]

36. What a load of garbage.

"I'd have voted for that candidate but I don't like his supporters" said zero honest people.

[BootinUp]

39. THIS POST IS SMELLY GARBAGE!!!!!! YOU SHOULD HIDE IT!!!!!

[KingFlorez]

40. President Sanders can create a media department to monitor coverage

Thankfully he won't be elected, but if he was (he won't) I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't attempt to create something like that claiming that it was necessary to fix a "rigged system".

[Eric J in MN]

47. Or Hillary Clinton will.

Since neither of them said anything like that, it's equally fair to say either of them would do that.

[redstateblues]

45. The reality is that so few people watch these shows.

Their weekend viewership is probably probably about the size of DU. And at this point in the campaign nobody that watches weekend cable TV is changing anybody's opinion or getting their own views changed. Hopefully the Hillary haters will vote against Trump. I'm sure there will be some hard core Bernie supporters that will cast protest votes in the hopes that it will teach us Democrats some kind of a lesson. I personally like our chances to win the White House and the Senate. If Bernie gets out there and campaigns we can win back some House seats as well.

[Go Vols]

48. :/

[hellofromreddit]

52. Anyone got a link to a video?

[uponit7771]

54. Sanders said something to the effect of "not important" when it came to PoC social issues as the...

... reason why the DNC lost white males.

His campaign proved that and they guy on the show said as much as he never braided the social injustices in with the economic ones.

Social injustices even in Sanders stump speech were always a side issue

Cornell West in IA and NH didn't help either

[forjusticethunders]

59. And of course as we all know

White people abandoned the Dems BEFORE the Dems moved right economically.

[dchill]

57. Catapulting the propaganda.

Joy Reid and you, two peas in a pod. Too bad you don't have a show to lose, too.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

64. And towards women too. Really sickening.