How is it the Bernie gets credit for civil rights activism when he was 20.

[YouDig]

But pointing out that he was writing about rape fantasies, weird theories of cancer and sex, cheerleading Castro, honeymooning in the USSR, and the rest of the crazy stuff he did or said in his 30s and 40s is "off limits." I get the whole people change thing, and I agree, but if that's the thing, then touting "pre-change Bernie's" civil rights activism doesn't seem to make sense.

[scscholar]

1. It was a different time them!

It meant a lot more to do it then. Now the majority of people support it. Back then, it was different. That is why he is a hero.

[seabeyond]

26. A hero? In the back of a 250K march in DC? 250k heros, you betcha. But Sanders is no more or less.

[Silver_Witch]

2. Bernie did not write about rape fantasies...

come on - surely you can waste your time posting stuff better than this?

He gets credit for his civil rights activism - because HE was trying to help people. Unlike your candidate.

He gets credit because he cared then just as he cares now.

And who gives a rats ass if he went to Russia for his Honeymoon...maybe you prefer having a candidate who's husband actually did immoral things while in office and then lied to those of us who voted for him....and who she is going to use to help her while in office.

[ContinentalOp]

13. He most certainly did. How can you deny it?

http://www.snopes.com/bernie-sanders-essay/

[Live and Learn]

16. Reading comprehension. The point of the story wasn't about rape. nt

[ContinentalOp]

17. The words are there for anyone to see.

I can't post them here though because apparently quoting your candidate's exact words gets a post hidden on this brave new DU!

[Live and Learn]

18. So is the point of the story for anyone that actually read it. It doesn't appear you did. nt

[ContinentalOp]

20. Oh I read it alright. It was painfully embarrassing.

And I can understand why Sanders supporters want to pretend it doesn't exist!

[bobbobbins01]

33. You write about rape fantasies too.

Context matters.

[ContinentalOp]

35. I take your point, and concede that I may be reading differently than you are.

In general it just strikes me as being so strange and poorly written that I can't relate to it at all. It would be interesting to discuss the meaning further but I'm afraid we probably can't have a reasonable discussion about it here.

[Live and Learn]

55. Bernie says it was bad writing but he was young at the time and the point was quite VALID!

I am not the least bit embarrassed by it. You should be embarrassed by your attempt to smear a very good man who has always stood for people of all races and genders. Shame on you.

[ContinentalOp]

57. LOL, where's the "smear"?

I've been discussing a piece he wrote. I'm not making stuff up, insinuating that he's a criminal, or any of the stuff his supporters do to Clinton. The fact that Sanders supporters consider that a smear and a hideable offense show just how weak their candidate really is.

[Live and Learn]

58. And another pathetic post. Keep them coming, your just making your candidate's supporters

look ridiculous.

[Warren DeMontague]

65. And misinterpret. It was clearly a piece of social commentary on contemporary gender roles circa '74

Bleak, poorly written, and to my mind, unaccurate, however, the assesment of male-female sexual dynamics was pretty identical to the same points Andrea Dworkin was trying to make a couple years later.

To try and spin it as "rape fantasy porn" or whatever the bullshit lie is, is like trying to call a negative restaurant review, instructions on how to poison people.

[seabeyond]

27. "Unlike your candidate." This is just a smoke up the ass statement.

[morningfog]

3. I can see you are really struggling with this.

[99th_Monkey]

4. The same way Hillary gets credit for being a Goldwater Girl

It is a long time ago, yet it illustrates how these two have been on divergent
paths for decades, up to their present stand-off. It was how their respective dies
were cast.

[KingFlorez]

5. Double standards run amok

[ContinentalOp]

15. So much denial from Sanders fans

http://www.snopes.com/bernie-sanders-essay/

[ContinentalOp]

30. Yes, it does look stupid!

I agree with his campaign spokesman on that. At least they're not trying to pretend like it doesn't exist or like talking about it is somehow a lie.

[ContinentalOp]

42. I don't think anybody is insinuating that, but it's still an awfully strange piece.

bobbobbins01 pointed out that I'm writing about rape fantasies now just in talking about it. And that's true. But I'm reacting to and commenting on somebody else's work which is entirely different than sitting in front of a blank page and coming up with that stuff.

But you're right, it's not a "rape fantasy" in the sense that he's writing some kind of pornography. Obviously it's meant to be a work of social commentary. But it seems to take as it's starting point the assumption that those types of fantasies are normal or widespread which is what seems weird about it to me. He asks "to what in us are they appealing" and personally for me I would say absolutely nothing. He seems to think that those fantasies get at some kind of universal truth about the relationship between the sexes rather than being something totally sick.

[ContinentalOp]

50. I assume most posters here have read it themselves and understand the context.

It's a piece that touches on the topic of rape fantasies. It's not a lurid rape fantasy that's meant to titillate. I can understand being annoyed if you think people are insinuating the latter. I'm just bitter that I got a hide for simply quoting his own words. I think considering the lead couple of paragraphs he chose to open the piece, he and his supporters are just going to have to deal with people referring to it as his rape fantasy essay.

[seabeyond]

31. It was a piece of crap writing with a lot of Patriarchal mentality and a chip on the shoulder all

wrapped up in puke. Who the fuck knows what it was really about, but it was garbage.

[ContinentalOp]

38. Yeah, this is my take.

I may be totally misunderstanding it, and Sanders is satirizing a "character" that would have been obvious at the time? It seems to me that he's saying that these attitudes are deeply ingrained in all men and women and that we need to overcome them. But maybe the point has flown entirely over my head. But you're right, it's not just the rape line that's off-putting.

[seabeyond]

39. Yes, exactly. The back and forth conversation bothered me more. What he felt a conversation would

be and wowsers... that is where the chip really showed.

[ContinentalOp]

48. Yeah, this idea that all women have a deep seated hatred of men

And the weird details like "your sex friend when you were 13". ugh. I guess it doesn't help that I can't read it without picturing a 74 year old man yelling it at me and jabbing his finger into the air.

[seabeyond]

54. We have him telling girls to give it up to the BF, unresolved hostility toward one’s mother,

Another statement about "A child has an old bitch of a teacher (and there are many of them)".

I gotta tell you, I am not hearing him talk about men this way.

Another quote about women.

Women, for their own preservation, are trying to pull themselves together. And it's necessary for all of humanity that they do so. Slavishness on one hand breeds pigness on the other hand. Pigness on one hand breeds slavishness on the other… On one hand "slavishness," on the other hand "pigness." Six of one, half dozen of the other. Who wins?

…"But in reality," he said, "if you ever loved me, or wanted me, or needed me (all of which I'm not certain was ever true), you also hated me. You hated me—just as you have hated every man in your entire life, but you didn't have the guts to tell me that…. You hated me not because of who I am, or what I was to you, but because I am a man. You did not deal with me as a person—as me. You lived a lie with me, used me and played games with me—and that's a piggy thing to do.

[seabeyond]

28. And telling girls to give it up to BFs so they didn't get cervical cancer was just a health promo?

[seekthetruth]

7. Not too sure what you mean by all of this......

I'm sure he once whined at his mommy for making him do the dishes....but seriously. WTF?

Can a Clinton supporter please provide a logical reason why we should vote for Hillary because she'll take the lead in progressing towards a renewable energy infrastructure....progress that should match the urgency upon which we're experiencing changes in our climate?

Now, I think that's a worthwhile post......

[AgingAmerican]

8. Why are Hillary's supporters minds in the gutter

...instead of discussing actual issues?

[FuzzyRabbit]

9. You should vote for (or against) someone based on facts, not lies.

You should vote for someone based on facts, not lies.

The actual facts about Bernie Sander's "honeymoon": http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-02-11/how-bernie-sanders-spent-his-soviet-honeymoon

[DianaForRussFeingold]

22. Maybe it's just a coincidence...

Bernie Sander's "honeymoon" quite possibly, may have had a positive effect on the Berlin wall coming down...

On the 9th of November, 1989, the Berlin Wall is opened after nearly three decades keeping East and West Berliners apart.

+

When you're Bernie, you can't pass up any opportunity to bring about "World Peace".

[ContinentalOp]

32. So not only did he honeymoon in the Soviet Union...

but it was on official mayoral business. Did the taxpayer pay for it? If not, I'm sure they at least took it as a write-off! Interesting parallels to his Roman holiday!

[Eric J in MN]

64. Are you against politicians bringing their spouses

...on official trips abroad?

Was it wrong for President Obama to bring his wife to Argentina?

[arcane1]

10. Most unoriginal task force ever n/t

[JDPriestly]

11. Nobody says that gossip about Bernie is off limits.

That's silly. It's just that people like Bernie anyway because of his stances on the issues.

It's not about Bernie.

It's about the issues.

[basselope]

12. It's not "off limits"

It's just silly.

[cheapdate]

14. As evidence it's not "off limits", I submit this OP.

[NurseJackie]

24. Depends on who alerts, how it's worded, and who's online at the time.

Every once and awhile, the random jury doesn't favor Bernie (although most of the time, it does ... that's just how it works out when Bernie's fans have a 85 to 15 advantage).

[NWCorona]

19. How's it off limits? It's been posted here many times and survived jury duty as well.

Personally I don't care if you or anyone else writes about it.

[SwampG8r]

21. I want them to write out the lies like this op does

Its been so solidly debunked every time they drag it out its funny watching them pretend they just found out this "highly damaging information"
Its like the stupid frosting on the worlds stupidest cake.

[NWCorona]

37. Agreed, this and Bernie's position on guns, unless they want to bring back

Mccarthyism, are the only thing they have against Bernie.

[seabeyond]

41. It has been hidden as much as it has survived. Just a couple days ago, was hid again.

[NWCorona]

43. But I'm sure we can be honest in saying that the hides are happening on both sides. nt

[seabeyond]

45. Posting a factual piece about Sanders gets a hide. Calling Clinton a whore doesn't.

No I do not agree we are playing on a level playing field.

[NWCorona]

47. Please tell me where I was saying that those two are the same.

You can play games if you like but I'll be moving on now.

[seabeyond]

49. Tell me where I accused you of saying the two where the same.

[NWCorona]

51. Then why chose an exteme to try and prove a point

That's the randomness of the jury system. It happens on both sides .

[seabeyond]

56. Whoooosh, over your head.

[Warren DeMontague]

23. Weird theories of cancer and sex, you say?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3379287/How-orgasm-day-slash-man-s-cancer-risk-Regular-sex-lowers-chance-prostate-tumors-20.html

Sure, he had the gender wrong, but actually other than that his point was fairly spot on prescient. Not bad, for 4 decades ago.

http://www.medicaldaily.com/frequent-ejaculation-may-reduce-prostate-cancer-risk-how-orgasm-protects-against-334018

[KeepItReal]

36. You really wanna go there?

I'll take Bernie's Civil Rights activism in his youth over Hillary's support for a dude that voted AGAINST THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1964 when she was a youth.

None of that other stuff had shit to do with getting my parents equal treatment under the law.

[dchill]

40. +1

[KPN]

44. Lame attempt to smear the most honorable candidate in

many a primary season. Shame on you.

[Waiting For Everyman]

52. He gets credit because he showed up.

It's that simple, not hard to understand. He showed up and took part in the effort.

You want to find a reason to negate what he did. So you're trying to portray reality as different than it was. The fault for a transparent propaganda attempt is on you.

[20score]

59. Only the dumbest and worst type of person could possibly

lie about or misinterpret the essay you referenced. Can't believe there are still these sociopathic people still perpetuating that lie.

All of the other lies have been debunked and explained to the satisfaction of any rational adult.

Misunderstandings and honest ignorance deserves an answer. You don't fall into those categories and you make ill.

On the slim chance you're not a despicable liar, then you need to learn something, anything, about a subject before you talk about it.

[frustrated_lefty]

60. It makes more sense

than explaining away the "Goldwater Girl" who admires Kissinger.

[jillan]

61. I had read that David Brock was pushing this. Guess it's true.

[KoKo]

68. It's been on David Brock's "Disinformation Action Team's" Bucket List for awhile

It's been posted in "Comment Sections" all over the Web in the past few days. It gets tiresome. It didn't work on the first attempt when Bernie Announced his Candidacy (when they first tried it) and it won't work now.

[Eric J in MN]

63. Are you against politicians having visited the USSR?

Is it just offensive if they did so shortly after getting married and joked that the trip was "a honeymoon in the USSR"?

[Warren DeMontague]

66. I want to hear more about how flatly ridiculous it is to link orgasms and cancer prevention

Absurd, i say! HAHAHAHAHAHA HOHOHOHOHO HEEEHEEHEEHEE HAHAHAHA...

Wait, whut

http://www.harvardprostateknowledge.org/does-frequent-ejaculation-help-ward-off-prostate-cancer

[Ash_F]

67. Your characterization is nonsense and not worth further response.