2016 Postmortem
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(2,166 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)I said it in 2012. I said it in 2014. And I say it again in 2016:
We cannot regain our democracy without first reclaiming the integrity of our voting systems.
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)CrispyQ
(36,501 posts)Amy Goodman interviews Harvey Wasserman.
Could the 2016 Election Be Stolen with Help from Electronic Voting Machines?
http://www.democracynow.org/2016/2/23/could_the_2016_election_be_stolen
HARVEY WASSERMAN: ...this year, about 80 percent of the vote nationally will be cast on electronic voting machines. There is no verifiability. In six key swing statesFlorida, North Carolina, Ohio, Michigan, Iowa and Arizonayou have Republican governors and Republican secretaries of state, and no method of verifying the electronic vote count.
HARVEY WASSERMAN: Well, thats the key. The electronic voting machines are owned by private corporations, which are Republican in orientation, generally. And the courts have ruled that the source code on these electronic voting machines is proprietary. So, even the governments that buy or lease these machines have no access to a final verification process. Even Ronald Reagan said, "Trust, but verify." And we know that the vote count was flipped in 2004. We know it was flipped in Volusia County in 2000.
Some of his claims are pretty out there, but the real problem is lack of verification of the vote.
Wilms
(26,795 posts)It's easy to do given how complicated the issue is. But he knows better.
Actually, it's more than 80% votes cast on electronic voting machines. But the majority of them are OpScan, so there IS a way to verify. True that most jurisdiction do not audit those ballots in a statistically significant way.
The dreaded DRE is used for @40%. Some have audit trails, again unlikely to be audited well. The remaining have no way to be audited.
http://votingmachines.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000274
Again, it's complicated. And again, Harvey knows better. But continues to blather and muddy as he has since at least 2004. He's tiresome and not helpful.
felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)if they can be hacked. Nothing, sorry. We're just going through the motions if great numbers of votes are not counted or switched.