2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumRachel Maddow just called out Bernie Sanders
on his "contested convention" ploy. She told listeners where to send the hate mail she expects.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)SunSeeker
(51,657 posts)Last edited Mon May 2, 2016, 11:18 PM - Edit history (1)
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)conceived or appearing as if conceived by an unrestrained imagination; odd and remarkable; bizarre; grotesque: fantastic rock formations; fantastic designs. 2. fanciful or capricious, as persons or their ideas or actions: We never know what that fantastic creature will say next.
Fantastical | Define Fantastical at Dictionary.com
www.dictionary.com/browse/fantastical
peggysue2
(10,839 posts)And anticipated the hate mail she'd receive for the effort. MSNBC has bent over backwards to promote St Bernard. For Rachel to finally throw in the towel, tell the truth and call out BS for the super delegate nonsense was refreshing.
For the dreamers and schemers and propaganda meisters, it was a deflating yet defining moment. St Bernard is losing, was losing, has been losing since his massive loss in the South. Remember the South, the firewall that the St Bernard Brigade ridiculed, the states (think SC) that were no more important than Guam?
Guess what? Important.
Unlike Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton learned a thing or two from 2008. Voters and delegates regardless of geographical region 'are' crucial and important, as in every single one counts. Because the math can't be smudged, fudged or faked.
If St Bernard wants to play this out to the endpoint, that's his prerogative. However, pretending the outcome will be any different is--in Maddow's words--absolutely fantastical, and--in my words--utterly bogus.
Sparkly
(24,149 posts)What Sanders is doing now is terrible for the party.
She conceded when she was ahead in popular votes, when Obama did not have the delegates for nomination. And SHE personally nominated him!!
Now Sanders is way behind, and he's going to make a stink?!
I do not understand what has gotten into him. I always respected and admired him. Is this egomania? A Messiah complex? Greed? Jane? It's shocking to me.
TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)in May 2008? When Hillary was allegedly graciously withdrawing from the campaign.
mcar
(42,371 posts)I continue to serve tea and biscuits under the bus.
Loves ya.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)and had an insurmountable lead.
peace13
(11,076 posts)yellerpup
(12,253 posts)I did the math and that is 20%. What is the population on the West Coast? Just sayin'...
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)scscholar
(2,902 posts)She has become the establishment.
NanceGreggs
(27,817 posts)... along with many others, became "the Establishment" the minute they refused to kiss Bernie's ass.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)the corporatists want Clinton. You should know that by now. She owes them. They paid for her, her speeches, and other.
In other circles it's called bribery, in some it's campaign donations.
NanceGreggs
(27,817 posts)Everyone who doesn't kiss Bernie's ass is a bought-and-paid-for corporate shill. There couldn't possibly be any other explanation.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)rock
(13,218 posts)You should really practice recognizing sarcasm. Or is it?
Loudestlib
(980 posts)They won't admit it, but you are. It was clear with Olbermann.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Oh, wait....you know who they are, right?
Logical
(22,457 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,817 posts)There couldn't be any other explanation for why a woman would support Hillary.
lancer78
(1,495 posts)She can get stuff done Sanders could not: False, she will be treated and blocked the same way Obama has been.
She is more electable: False, polls show Sanders doing better against Republicans then she is.
What policies does Clinton support that causes her to have more people voting for her then Sanders?
I think having a woman president is a big part of it, sorry.
NanceGreggs
(27,817 posts)... are just supporting him because he has a penis. You know how "the guys" like to stick together. - see one of their own elected POTUS and all.
I can't think of any other reason why a man would vote for BS - because I think having a male president is a big part of it.
lancer78
(1,495 posts)because I am sick and tired of the Washington elites not working for the people and acting like a bunch of prostitutes selling out their constituents to the highest bidder.
NanceGreggs
(27,817 posts)So you are a male, and you are supporting Bernie for reasons other than the fact that you have the same genitalia?
I'm surprised, because after all the posts I've seen saying that women HRC supporters are supporting her because she's a woman, I naturally assumed that the corollary was true and male BS supporters are supporting him because he is also a male.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)He has lost
Progressive dog
(6,917 posts)and the list is growing fast.
Squinch
(50,992 posts)shadowandblossom
(718 posts)I guess it was around the same time that planned parenthood did, and (insert facts and information I don't like here) did.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Response to annavictorious (Original post)
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winter is coming
(11,785 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Little_Wing
(417 posts)when she was relevent.
Ca-ching. Dat cash register sure sings a sweet song, don't it?
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Never.
insta8er
(960 posts)Little_Wing
(417 posts)It should explode during the Trump administration.
NanceGreggs
(27,817 posts)... when she refused to kiss Bernie's ass - just like everyone else who has refused to do so.
Maybe at this time next year, Rachel can do a show on Bernie, from the "Where are they now files". I suspect she'll be "relevant" long after Bernie-what's-his-name is a distant memory.
Little_Wing
(417 posts)La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)announced on her show that he wants to switch SD, i saw a definite change in her attitude
he said something to the effect of 'votes dont matter', which is when she started being less thrilled with him.
NanceGreggs
(27,817 posts)... and retrieved, and thrown under it again and then retrieved, more times than I can count.
Every time she said something positive about Bernie, she was an important progressive voice. And every time she said something positive about Hillary, she was an irrelevant hack who never had an ounce of integrity.
And so it has gone since the primary started ...
LisaM
(27,826 posts)for having abortions and talk about income inequality instead, after trotting out his stock phrase on a woman's right to choose. She clearly was put off by that.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)you're losing. It's such an ugly idea. I think it's because he is afraid to quit- and be tossed under the bus himself.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Drumpf beats Clinton in the general election. That is because independents, who make up clearly 1/3 of the electorate do not vote for her.
NanceGreggs
(27,817 posts)... since last April how Hillary will never be the nominee, how Bernie would wipe the floor with her at debates, how Bernie's army would wipe out any chance that HRC had.
Now she's the nominee - so it's time to move on to "Hillary will never win the GE".
From there I fully expect four years of "she'll never be re-elected" - followed by four years of "she's a lousy two-term president and nobody likes her".
all american girl
(1,788 posts)I wonder where all these independents went during the primary. They don't seem to be voting for him. There have been many open and semi open contests and Hillary won more.
alittlelark
(18,890 posts)She is making too much $ to be embarrassed for herself... I am helping her out.
JudyM
(29,265 posts)She used to matter.
Maybe Hillary will hire her since she's proved herself to be such a good little mouthpiece.
blue neen
(12,327 posts)She doesn't matter, but you felt the need to post about her.
JudyM
(29,265 posts)dana_b
(11,546 posts)she doesn't deserve your embarrassment and she gets paid millions to spew this crap.
Bernie is in it until the END, Rachel! Tough shit!
eridani
(51,907 posts)MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)JudyM
(29,265 posts)hopemountain
(3,919 posts)billary's good friends.
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts)Maddow shills daily for Hillary sometimes twice a day online.
She is a Shill.
You can send me hate mail too.
glinda
(14,807 posts)Spokesperson or something. Press secretary. Just a guess.
Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts)Integrity be damned.
shadowandblossom
(718 posts)false information or expressing approval at his attempt to subvert the will of the electorate.
glinda
(14,807 posts)just saying...
shadowandblossom
(718 posts)just saying.
seekthetruth
(504 posts)Dem2
(8,168 posts)UNDER THE BUS FOR HER!
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)...or a campaign worker?
potone
(1,701 posts)It is so disappointing that people whose ideology is in line with Bernie's views don't support him. At least she could try to remain neutral.
Zen Democrat
(5,901 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)He is seriously damaging what respect I have for him.
beedle
(1,235 posts)But less than 1 percent of the $61 million raised by that effort has stayed in the state parties coffers, according to a POLITICO analysis of the latest Federal Election Commission filings.
Seems Hillary was lying once again ... a true 'slush fund' .. it 'slushes' back and forth between Hillary and the DNC ending up on Hillary's side of the 'slush pool' ... the states and the down ticket candidates are lucky if any of that 'slush' even leaves a 'bathtub ring' level of funds after Hillary is done with them.
Oh, but I bet you're not going to hear any of this from future press secretary Maddow.
MFM008
(19,818 posts)and im not being sarcastic. Either her or Keith Olbermann. perfect.
beedle
(1,235 posts)and I'm not being sarcastic either.
annavictorious
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(5,591 posts)I've never been more fired up over a candidate. HILLARY!!!
beedle
(1,235 posts)don't like the answer, can't make a argument, make accusations of sexism.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)all american girl
(1,788 posts)On an awesome note...just downloaded I'm a Bitch, I'm a Lover....now when people annoy me with their sexist bullshit, and say they really aren't being sexist and I'm being sensitive, I will be blasting that song!!!!!
MFM008
(19,818 posts)NAILED.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)onecaliberal
(32,887 posts)SunSeeker
(51,657 posts)She said in 2008, Obama only had a 4% lead in pledged delegates, and needed SDs to get a majority, yet before the convenction Hillary conceded even though she had the majority of popular votes. She did not contest the convention -- she conceded well before the convention and stood firmly in support of Obama at the convention, uniting Democrats.
Rachel went on to point out that Hillary is 11% ahead of Sanders in pledged delegates.
And of course, Hillary has millions more in popular votes than Sanders.
Yet Sanders insists on a divisive contested convention unless Hillary attains the majority of unpledged -- even though 15% of total delegates are SDs. The only way a Dem candidate could get a majority of pledged delegates is by having an utter blowout in the primary. Obama didn't have that. He needed SDs to get a majority of total delegates. Yet Hillary conceded. As she should have. As anyone in Hillary's position should have. Sanders is nowhere near in as strong a position as Hillary was in 2008, yet he won't concede before the convention.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)side of wealth like Clinton.
SunSeeker
(51,657 posts)Last edited Wed May 4, 2016, 02:55 AM - Edit history (1)
Got anything you can point to that she said that was factually incorrect?
pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)Rachel is a Hillary supporter and she's made that clear throughout this campaign. And because of that why wouldn't she call Bernie out? Isn't that what all Hillary supporters are doing? This isn't exactly anything to be surprised about and certainly not worthy of sending her any mail.
Depaysement
(1,835 posts)Simple and direct and spot on.
pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)annavictorious
(934 posts)She's not going to nod in that earnest manner every time Jane tries to explain why it's so important to allow her husband's ambition...uh, I mean "vision"...to subvert the will of the voters.
And I also think she was putting bros...male and female, young and old...on notice that she's not going to call their vitriol "passion" or "enthusiasm" or anything other than what it is, irrational entitlement.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)dubyadiprecession
(5,720 posts)Bernie is behind in pledged delegates by 11% and is losing the popular vote by 3 million votes. Hillary was behind barack by 4% in pledged delegates, but ahead in the popular vote in 2008.
Hillary never chose to have the sour grapes argument like BS does and whine about superdelegates.
She knew the rules of the nomination process before running that year.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Progressive dog
(6,917 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Good. I need to call the local company, remove MSNBC and add BBC
synergie
(1,901 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Pay no mind to the man behind the curtain.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Peregrine Took
(7,417 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)If you've got a great candidate, what scares you?
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)decide to donate to his campaign. Fraud my ass. Hillary was worse in 08.
Whimsey
(236 posts)If not, what is the basis of your opinion?
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)and I just turned 4 days ago 70 years old...been watching Hil and Billy boy the whole time! Whimsey how old are you?
and I do not believe your age. Unless you are male. That would explain it. And I voted for Nader three times because he was a pure third party candidate espousing campaign finance reform. Unlike Obama who was a shape-shifter on money in politics and Sanders who is just a hypocrite. Apparently when men come up with variations on justification for accepting campaign contributions they are pure, but when women acknowledge the choices that have to be made to win they are evil. But I learned long ago men are much more comfortable in the locker room than anywhere else.
Oh, and as the only female to get through an elite math class in HS, a math major at U of Illinois who graduated in three years, and a law graduate, now retired attorney, I certainly have had my share of competing with men who denigrate smart women.
SunSeeker
(51,657 posts)islandmkl
(5,275 posts)overgeneralizing and making unfounded assumptions...with little backup to support your questioning of another poster...
how about: i don't believe YOUR age or any of the other info/claims you posted, because hey...t's the internet...
I am actually 60, a math major and an attorney. And I have voted in every election since I was eligible. I remember in 1980 everyone in my law school I knew watching in dread the possibility of Reagan being elected. And he was horrible - mainly because he already had Alzheimer's (in my opinion) and was being directed by evil forces.
You also do not realize that the Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981 ( we called it ERTA and I may be off a year) was the single biggest regressive tax act ever enacted in my adult life. It reduced the top rate on unearned income from 70% to 50% and the top rate on earned income from 50% to something less. I do not remember specifically. Here I am, a year out of law school, after paying for undergraduate and law school myself with LOANS I paid off, and the first thing I get is a tax cut I did not need. I actually was just thrilled to not have to work 20-30 hours a week in addition to going to school and was more than happy to pay the taxes in effect when I graduated.
History means a great deal. Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it.
Change needs to come incrementally, revolutions do not last. Hillary is a pragmatist, and at my age I understand that.
Hekate
(90,773 posts)islandmkl
(5,275 posts)I am 64 years old...schooling included education (to teach) and social studies/economics/political science...have been in business in several forms since 1974...old-school Democrat who knows the evils of all the tax cuts and also realizes that the current leadership model for the Democratic Party is more closely related to the Reagan-era Republicans than it is to traditional Democratic Party principles...
a severe price to pay for having a couple of weak Presidential candidates....
and now the Party has lost control of Congress, lost a great number of governorships, and has become weak on the local level across most of the states...and the 2010 and 2014 elections are the evidence of how strong the Party is throughout the general population...
those who only realize recent history are doomed by their own myopic view...the long road is not considered, the wrong turns not acknowledged, the reason for the journey forgotten....
it is not 'pragmatic' to have ever-changing positions that are influenced by constantly changing 'specifics'....
we are from the same generation, but see things differently...like on a staircase, looking at only one or two steps at a time reveals little direction, forward or back...
I see little direction forward from the current Third Way/DNC leadership...just a maintenance of the status quo, which in the past 30 years has been to the detriment of the great deal of the American population that made up the Middle Class...
"One day Alice came to a fork in the road and saw a Cheshire cat in a tree. "Which road do I take?" she asked. "Where do you want to go?" was his response. "I don't know," Alice answered. "Then," said the cat, "it doesn't matter."
- Lewis Carroll
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)As a matter of fact he is always calling out your network for not discussing issues like climate change, or the middle class, or jobs leaving the country, or fracking. But instead all you do is talk about Donald Trump.
Wtf Rachel. You used to be amazing. Now you are tabloid trash.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)at the expense of ...it doesn't matter who else. She's got hers
I stopped watching M$NBC after Schultz was fired. IT's just another Corporate propaganda machine now.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Haven't kept up with her since her transition to MSNBC. Sounds like she's angling for favors from the Clinton campaign.
There seems to be no end to low-post-count pro-Hillary posters these days. You guys are giving my ignore list a workout.
/bye.
BootinUp
(47,179 posts)When Rachel has something important to say she will not be silenced. Sorry.
Broward
(1,976 posts)aikoaiko
(34,183 posts)But sometimes you do say the truth, I'll give you that.
k8conant
(3,030 posts)I posted on the website, but only said that Bernie should stay in because it's not over yet.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)She knows what's heading her way. But she said tonight, "It makes me stronger."
Maru Kitteh
(28,342 posts)northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)I used to like her a little, but she had such fake outrage and over the top holier than though drama I just considered her a let wing Orielly, but this election she has proved me wrong, she is just some cheap hack sell out.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Everyone that doesn't want to live in Trump's police state needs to call Bernie and his crew out!
desmiller
(747 posts)CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)I dont see any big deal in any of this.
Hekate
(90,773 posts)Rachel started out obviously liking Bernie a lot, gave him softball interviews, almost fawned on him. Yet now that she has to report the negatives about him and his campaign -- suddenly in all these peoples' eyes she's a supervillain?
That's just ridiculous.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Thanks!
ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,342 posts)It's hard. Like math.
Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts)"We were never big fans of Rachel Maddow. To us she comes across as the Brady Bunchs housekeeper on Dexedrine. Opening each show with an off point 47-minute tutorial that she and her self-reverential staff treat as the most profound insights since Herodotus chose Persia as a topic.
What pushed us completely over the edge was her absolutely deliberate misrepresentation of Bernie Sanders response to Trumps obscene punishment for women abortion comments. She went running back to Hillary Clinton for a comment faster than Ann B. Davis sharing the latest gossip with Sam The Butcher.
Yet even Maddows didactic yammering is preferable to the cackling adulation with which she showers Brian Pseudo-Pith Williams. Williams, who is unqualified for any television work beyond extolling the virtues of Rodent Sheriff, truly loves him some him. He is to journalism what Edward R. Murrow was to the spit take. Watching Maddow match her facial expressions to whatever banal dreck cascades from Williams gob is like watching the Huntley-Brinkley Report as done by Wayland Flowers and Madame."
Snip- " As for guests, theres either Barney Frank or Howard Dean attempting to define quid pro quo on their off nights from the banking and insurance lobby. Theres Joan Walsh, the odds on favorite for Secretary Of Umbrage in a Clinton administration. And theres the endless cavalcade of shills from Ed Rendell to Jonathan Capehart all eager to explain how Bernie has no path to the nomination while mute on Bill and Hillarys path to integrity.
But reading an entire library of Noam Chomsky will not prepare you for the abject, point missing idiocy of Joy Reid and the strip club. We have referred to male politicians as corporate whores since our first published word. If the Hillary defenders prefer Goldman Sachs escort thats fine by us. And while it might be nice for Miss Reid to at least note the Clintons role in the systemic stripping away of social and economic justice as they grabbed millions of dollar bills with four fists, its far easier to acknowledge that the only difference between MSNBC and Fox News is hemlines"
pengu
(462 posts)MSNBC has never treated Bernie fairly, including Maddow. I've lost so much respect for her during this primary. I doubt I'll ever watch her again.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Making up shit
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)That she'll secure her job. That's all her Bernie hate amounts to. Job security.
wyldwolf
(43,869 posts)Last Friday, MSNBCs Rachel Maddow Show attracted more younger viewers than every Fox News program that aired from 4 PM-11 PM.
Maddow drew 315,000 younger viewers for a Friday night broadcast. Maddows audience with viewers age 25-54 was bigger that both The OReilly Factor (301,000) and The Kelly File (280,000) on Fox News. Maddows show had the largest 25-54 audience of any of the programs on MSNBC, CNN, and Fox News. Even though MSNBC is not on basic cable and appears in fewer homes, Maddow came within 500,000 total viewers of beating Fox News in her 9 PM timeslot.
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/04/04/fox-news-crushed-younger-viewers-flock-msnbcs-rachel-maddow.html
MSNBCs primetime programming (M-F 8-11p) delivered strong growth for the quarter. In the A25-54 demo, MSNBC was up 112%, while Fox News grew 48% over the first quarter of 2015. The Rachel Maddow Show edged out CNNs regular programming in A25-54 (279,000 vs. 277,000) and topped CNN in total viewers (1,166,000 vs. 877,000).The Rachel Maddow Show was up 92% in A25-54 and 48% in total viewers over the first quarter of 2015.
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/03/29/rachel-maddows-rating-92-msnbc-grows-fast-fox-news.html
Gothmog
(145,487 posts)Gothmog
(145,487 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)helped to cause crimes against humanity.
But I haven't watched her for awhile.
TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)But Clinton was determined to fight until the last votes had been cast. She would go on to win contests in West Virginia, Kentucky, and South Dakota before the primary ended on June 3, even though there was no way for her to make up her deficit in the delegate count.
Along the way, the Clinton campaign put forward every conceivable argument to justify staying in the race....
On May 23, Clinton justified her continued White House bid by noting that in 1968, Democratic presidential hopeful Robert Kennedy was assassinated in June, after winning the California primary. And lurking in the background in these final weeks was the rumor that Republican operatives had gotten hold of a tape of Michelle Obama disparaging "whitey."
carburyme
(146 posts)She nailed it and called out Bernie "excuse me, excuse me I'm talking" Sanders. Gotta love her
dana_b
(11,546 posts)she has her nose so far up Hillary's... it's no surprise.
I don't care what that shill has to say anymore.
AmBlue
(3,113 posts)...with an opinion, trying to dictate to the PEOPLE who will be our President. F*** that!!!
I have totally lost respect for Rachel these days. Very disappointing....