Did Maddow ever point out in OH Clinton received 44.69% less votes than in 2008(569,281 less votes)?

[Skwmom]

This happened in other states as well (most which are blue or purple states). However, Clinton's Cheerleader, one of the best corporate media puppets money can buy, seemed to direct all the blame to Bernie for failing to get out the vote. I lived in Ohio and have family there. There are a lot of Democrats fed up in Ohio. They did a media blackout of Bernie while they were building up Trump. There was a reason for that. To the people who want a status quo candidate - Better a vote for Trump than a vote for Bernie in the Primary.

Clinton votes 2016: 696,681 https://vote.ohio.gov/
Clinton votes 2008: 1,259,620 http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/state.php?fips=39&year=2008&elect=1

Difference: (569,239)
Percentage Difference: 44.69 or 45% drop in Clinton votes from 2008 to 2016.

Hmm... maybe this is why they keep saying solid Republican States like Georgia will go Democratic. They know they have a problem with Clinton as the nominee.

[Uncle Joe]

1. That's a pretty big drop.

Thanks for the thread, Skwmom.

[bettyellen]

2. yet Bernie LOST. and keeps losing.

[Skwmom]

6. They built up Trump for a reason. Plus, Clinton has the corporate media cheerleading for her and

either ignoring or trashing Bernie.

[bettyellen]

8. Bullshit- SBS had MORE media interviews than HRC, LOL. And republicans have crossed over for

SBS because they WISH it was him they were going against in Nov. They are not getting their wish, and neither are you.

[Skwmom]

10. Clinton only likes softball interviews. Many of the Bernie interviewers have been like rabid attack

dogs determined to get their soundbites. Plus there are loads of Clinton surrogates that can come on and say whatever they want without being questioned.

[bettyellen]

11. First it;s a blackout, now it is vicious. LOL, SBS has not even been vetted yet.....

and it won't even get to that point before he is finished.

[Uncle Joe]

14. I imagine that's precisely why Bill Clinton encouraged Trump to run in the first place.

Beginning about the 19 second mark.


http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/politics/Clinton-Encouraged-Trump-to-Run-for-President_Washington-DC-320827311.html


Bill knew that Trump's faux populist approach particularly on several issues; campaign finance/political corruption, free trade and waging war with Iraq would pull Independents from the real thing; that being Bernie, particularly with the corporate media conglomerates giving Trump billions of dollars in free advertising while blacking out coverage of Bernie and his message for most of last year.

[NCTraveler]

25. So Clinton gets credit for the current state of the republican primary.

And most likely guaranteed a Democrat in the WH. From your lips to.....

[Uncle Joe]

26. Nothing is guaranteed, as I stated Trump is a faux populist and I believe the last poll

that I saw earlier this evening he was leading Hillary.

Bill encouraged him to run to damage Bernie a true progressive populist by pulling Independents.

If the worst happened and Trump did beat Hillary in the race, the Clintons would still have a friend in the White House.

[NCTraveler]

28. That is funny.

Please read your post again. You debunk your own conspiracy and promote your conspiracy all in one post. Can you point to the glaring flaw?

[wyldwolf]

3. So the latest attack line is 'Hillary under-performed 2008' even though she STILL beat Bernie?

[LiberalFighter]

17. Yep! Every state had a lower voter turnout except for Illinois and Michigan.

Illinois had 435 more total voters in 2016 than in 2008.

Michigan had a bigger turnout in 2016 because Obama and other candidates pulled out in 2008 because Michigan didn't follow the rules.

Total voter turnout in 2008 with states that have already their election this year: 27,003,652.

Total voter turn in 2016: 20,978,128. * I added guestimates for some caucuses held this year. So 2016 total is padded a bit by about 250,000.

[Mike Nelson]

4. Not that I heard...

...shows Obama more popular than Bernie?

[kcjohn1]

5. MSNBC Is Fox News Lite

Facts don't matter to that bunch.

With the exception of IL/MA (very close wins), NY (slightly lower than 08), all of Clintons wins have being blow outs but that is because there was very low turnout. Her wins in the South, voter turnout was down like 30-44%.

We know the demographics of Dems/GOP voters. Margins of wins/losses are set. The question is turnout, and not many are coming out to vote for Hillary.

[NuclearDem]

7. You have an unhealthy obsession with Rachel Maddow.

Almost exclusive, in fact. Care to tell us why that is?

[Skwmom]

12. Have you seen my posts about the WP, the NY Times, Tweety, and the Toadying Duo on Morning Joe?

However, Ms. Selective Outrage, aka Clinton's Cheerleader has been the ultimate defender of the status corporate quo this election cycle.

[mythology]

9. You somehow accidentally neglected to note that the governor was on the Republican primary ticket

I'm sure it was an oversight as otherwise you'd look like you were being completely disingenuous or that you have no idea what you're talking about.

[Skwmom]

15. So what about ALL the other states? And Democrats who supported Clinton would not waste

their vote on Kasich, especially when they were told how easily she would beat Trump.

[brooklynite]

13. Not significant...

...Democratic turnout is down overall, largely because Democrats aren't out of office, and aren't as revved up over realaiming the White House.

Primary Turnout Means Nothing For The General Election

Republican turnout is up and Democratic turnout is down in the 2016 primary contests so far. That has some Republicans giddy for the fall; here’s an example, from a March 1 Washington Times article:

Republicans continued to shatter turnout records in their presidential primaries and caucuses Tuesday, while Democrats lagged behind in what analysts said was a clear indication of an enthusiasm gap heading into the general election.

And some commentators are saying that Democrats should be nervous. From The Huffington Post, last month:

But Democratic Party elites shouldn’t be high-fiving each other. They should be very, very worried. In primary after primary this cycle, Democratic voters just aren’t showing up.

But Democrats shouldn’t worry. Republicans shouldn’t celebrate. As others have pointed out, voter turnout is an indication of the competitiveness of a primary contest, not of what will happen in the general election. The GOP presidential primary is more competitive than the Democratic race.

Indeed, history suggests that there is no relationship between primary turnout and the general election outcome. You can see this on the most basic level by looking at raw turnout in years in which both parties had competitive primaries. There have been six of those years in the modern era: 1976, 1980, 1988, 1992, 2000 and 2008.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/primary-turnout-means-nothing-for-the-general-election/

[Kip Humphrey]

16. Rachel no longer does news. She is now a shill for Hillary, the elites of power, and her own career.

Her choice and she indeed made it.

[silvershadow]

18. K&R

[NurseJackie]

19. Who cares?

[Dem2]

22. We'll be hearing about the minutiae of this cycle for years

[Demsrule86]

20. Ohio has an open primary

In 08, operation chaos was going on-Rush Limbaugh...GOP types voted in the Dem primary. I am surprised you don't know that. This is why I don't like open primaries. It backfired on Limbaugh...allowing Obama to set up for 50 states which allowed Virginia to turn in my opinion. In 12 Obama barely lost Georgia... we may win Georgia this year.

[Demsrule86]

21. Clinton won 57% of the vote

so who cares...operation chaos

[Cheese Sandwich]

23. probably wouldn't fit with the official narrative

[tritsofme]

24. Obama got far fewer votes in the 2012 primary than he did in 2008. Was that problematic?

2012 and 2016 were both far less competitive contests than 2008, so lower primary turnout should be expected. Settled races, especially ones that only draw second rate competitors, don't draw as much interest as epic contests like Obama v Clinton. Primary turnout is irrelevant to the general election.

[onenote]

27. I'm still not sure how you think its helpful to point out that Bernie got even fewer votes.

But that's what you're doing.

[B Calm]

29. Thank the DNC for slamming a shitty candidate down our throats. I have no doubt

in my mind Hillary will cost the Democratic party the presidency.