Don't blame Bernie for your shitty candidate

[Joe the Revelator]

We tried to warn you that she wasn't fit for the GE and that Trump is going to be tougher than her supporters thought.

But already the drums of 'THANKS BERNIE' are beating, because he dared to offer an alternative during the primary.


We were told she was vetted. We were told she was tough.

If she can't handle the rigors of the GE, well then, we warned you.

[randome]

1. K-bye.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]“If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.”
Gregory Peck, Mirage (1965)[/center][/font][hr]

[realmirage]

2. Another "we warned you!" post.

The bitterness at losing is palpable

[Betty Karlson]

31. And trust me: if Clinton fails as dismally as I fear, we'll be back with "I told you so"

Not to gloat, but to drive the message home that no amount of Superdelegates makes a weak candidate strong. To conclude, once and for all, that Third Way is a dead end. And for everyone to wake up and smell the coffee: the 20th century is over, stop party-ing like it's 1999.

[zappaman]

33. Ok

[realmirage]

62. the Superdelegates aren't why she's winning.

It's the voters.

[Betty Karlson]

70. Actually, if Sanders wins 64 % of the remaining pledged delegates (which is doable)

he'll have more delegates that Clinton going into the convention. She'd need like 96% of the remaining pledged delegates to win outright. So actually: both candidates will need Superdelegates to win. BOTH. That is the measure of Clinton's weak candidacy: she can't even win when every scale has been tipped in her favor.

[realmirage]

72. If Bernie can win

all the remaining states by big enough margins (a miracle), and get more pledged delegates, the supers will switch as they did in 08. But she's winning by a much larger margin than Obama was in 08. And btw, she got more votes than Obama, technically, in the 08 primaries. And she's gotten more votes than any candidate running for pres this year. So she's not weak at all.

[annavictorious]

104. Obama didn't have enough pledged delegates in 2008

and no one saw that as a measure of a weak candidacy, so you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

I expect Sanders to drop out before the convention. Now that the money is drying up, Weaver and Devine will take their spoils and go home, and all the energized young revolutionaries will move on to the next fad. Cheer up, though. Maybe the bird will stick around.

Sanders and the missus will always have Rome....and your parent's $27 dollars.
"Janie...remember the time we chartered the Delta 767 to go to Europe for my pretend meeting with the Pope?"

[grasswire]

108. Way to win people to Hillary!

Insult everyone!

I'll take a hide for this, as it needs to be said. Your vitriol and bitterness is soul deadening, and not worthy of Democrats.

And stop posting the crap in the Bernie group!!

[SwampG8r]

126. A.reflection of the candidate

[senz]

133. What a low, despicable comment.

I've seen too many like this from Hill supporters.

[nadinbrzezinski]

160. Wow, just wow

[840high]

177. Go away - you are too silly.

[Amaril]

229. Wow

It only took you 88 posts to make it to my ignore list. I'm not sure, but that might be some kind of record.

[Tarc]

129. Lol, 64%

There's few open caucus, white dominant states left, I'm afraid.

[Cal33]

174. in closed primaries the number of voters are far more limited than in the GE, where everybody

is allowed to vote the way s/he chooses to. This is where Bernie has always beaten Hillary - and
by wide margins every single time.

[realmirage]

176. Even if they were all open, Hillary would still be winning

https://m.reddit.com/r/hillaryclinton/comments/4gqvk6/to_anyone_who_suggests_that_hillary_only_won/

http://www.vox.com/2016/4/28/11528764/closed-primaries-bernie-sanders

[Cal33]

179. Then let me add: With all the dirty tricks at the DNC's command, such as, DWS' fixing the

scheduling of the Democratic Primary debates, all favoring Hillary and very destructive to
the other Democratic candidates.

In November the DNC itself will be busy trying the fend off the dirty tricks of the Republicans.

[realmirage]

185. ok, when that is refuted, then what?

I like Bernie too, but reality needs to be respected. In a competition, one side loses. Sometimes you win, sometimes the other competitor wins. That's life.

[leeroysphitz]

200. NO IT'S MONEY. N/T

[Rockyj]

213. Its the voters, and...

Voter suppression, Wall St. money, corporations, 1%, war mongers & profiteers, and corruption.

[realmirage]

221. Lol this sounds like football fans

"It's the refs! They're against us! It's a conspiracy!" The answer is one side beats the other. That's competition.

[asuhornets]

64. Third Way, Third Way

I only hear those two words here at DU by his supporters..

[dchill]

67. Who's gonna use a self-created smear?

Third Way? DNC? HRC?

Don't think so...

[Joe the Revelator]

74. Because you run with a third way crowd,I'd imagine.

[asuhornets]

110. Still never heard of it...

[lancer78]

156. Here you go

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Way

[asuhornets]

163. It originated & pratice in Europe?

not here.

[lancer78]

167. True

But the Clintons are big supporters.

[ThirdWayToTheHighway]

172. Cute.

Democracy originated in Europe? AIDS began in Africa? Paper was invented in China? Obviously those things don't exist in America.

[nadinbrzezinski]

165. I apologize

Though I really should not. But the media has done a terrible job explaining this Third Way, DLC, New Democrats. Not like the NYT or CNN has run stories really. I also apologize for tjey lack of imagination in covering (I crack myself because they really do not) climate change, banking rules and other issues. In the meantime...she said, he said is covered usually. Now back to the climate change materials.

For the record, the British press does cover New Labor fairly well...it is the same triangulating philosophy. And abroad climate change is taken far more seriously. I recommend some reading in the foreign press. The web...wonderful thing

[Kittycat]

206. Yes, agreed. Very important on the origins.

Hopefully my post below doesnt distract from what you shared. I wanted to highlight the merging of the philosophy with the more public think tank also in operation. Both can obviously operate separate of each other, since it's like one stating I'm a democrat (belief), but not subscribing to the DNC as a member.

[Kittycat]

205. Here is your answer

This really should be its own OP, but none the less. The Third Way is not just a political ideology, though thisnisnthe foundation. Like it's predecessor, the DLC, the Third Way is also a Political Think Tank, actively pursuing a corporatist agenda within the Democratic Party:

Please read this first for evolutionary background, and how the ideology mixes with the think tank:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2014/10/06/struggle-for-soul-democratic-party-pits-wall-street-backed-think-tank-against-elizabeth-warren/pYk3SXRnZDmpi7C7N4ZpXN/story.html

Here is a good article leading up to the race today, with understanding on today's ThirdWay centrist role vs populism against Sanders.
http://www.huffpost.com/us/entry/third-way-presidential-campaign_us_563237f2e4b0c66bae5b4066


And here is their website where you can find current board members, and read articles they've released.
www.thirdway.org

There's a lot more information out there. It's easier to search ThirdWay or third way Clinton to find associated reading. It's founded on Clinton's DLC legacy, and they and many political and business associates are part of it.

Fir further historical context, I recommend searching the history of Clinton and the Blue Dog Democrats. Then reading up on why the DLC failed. Including involvement and funding from the Koch Brothers.

Hope this helps.

[asuhornets]

219. Each party have moderates...

The Reugs have turn their party so far to the right that they are almost unelectable.

[Kittycat]

225. Ours are so far right

They should identify as republicans.

[frylock]

122. Flat-Earth far-centrists don't believe in it's existence.

[insta8er]

151. Amen...

[Baobab]

154. Trade deals sign away democracy-So once one or three is in, it doesnt matter who or what we vote for

we wont be able to do it.

The subsequent legislators and Presidents hands will be tied.

The whole point of those deals is to sign away democracy, not trade.

That's just their pretext.

So they only need one corrupt President and Congress, once, to pass them.

Read the paper linked in my sig.

[JoePhilly]

3. What are you babbling about?

Hillary's been attacked more than almost any candidate in history, and she keeps kicking ass.

And she'll continue to do so. The GOP has never been able to do it. Bernie's army of the disgruntled has failed. And Trump will fail.

[Armstead]

7. 40 percent against a well-oiled entrenched political machine is not failure /nt

[TCJ70]

10. I'm amazed that their so happy with their results...

...from 2%-45% in the span of a few months is nowhere near failure. Especially with all the advantages she has. They're also extremely quick to write off all those people as "not real dems", republicans, etc. It's ver short-sighted in the extreme.

[Duckhunter935]

25. many of them say they do not need his supporters anyway

As they are not real democrats

[Spacedog1973]

45. Also some people think Barnie simply isn't good enough

Not just about what he says, but also the optics are wrong. On the back of the first black president, we don't need another old white guy representing a 'Revolution' comprised of ostensibly white hipsters and grandmothers.

But thats just me.

[Ron Green]

54. No, it's not just you. There are lots of people who don't get it.

[TCJ70]

66. Wow, ageist and sexist on multiple fronts...

...really winning hearts and minds there.

Tell me, why do you think it's right to automatically write off someone because of their gender or age?

[Spacedog1973]

147. Ageist and sexist?

Can you spell hyperbole? The history of american presidency is sexist. A moron can inform you of that. We don't need another old white man in a long line of old white men. Suck it up. Unless you can point to a different history were young POC and women have held the presidency, I think your faux outrage is becoming old.

And as for 'hearts and minds' on DU? Are you joking? Who cares in attempting to convince such stone and entrenched views of a tiny minority of extremists?

[TCJ70]

149. Ooooh...doubling down?

History can't be anything, it just is. I'm not mad, just pointing out your biases. You don't think old white men are capable of leading the country. That's fine if you're OK with being a ageist, racist, sexist.

I think policies and the history of an individual are more important than either of the aspects you rail against. Which policies of Sanders do you disagree with?

[MrTriumph]

124. Hey, Spacedog, you are a fool.

It is the message that important. And, by the way, from out of nowhere, this "old white guy" brought back the best hopes of FDR and HST. Very impressive.

But then again, not to you. After all FDR and HST were just old white guys to your way of thinkin'.

[Spacedog1973]

148. FDR's New Deal excluded African Americans in practice

Don't you know your own history? Why would 'bringing back' a hope of FDR be of interest to those who were excluded? And you wonder, if you do, why your rhetoric falls heavily on ears that have long been tuned out of your ignorant self serving waffle, hyped up as some in depth knowledge. When in fact its the drone of a fully grown adult who was clearly homeschooled.

[Demsrule86]

159. There are heartbreaking letters written to FDR

Saying that African Americans were being held captive in the south mostly...as slaves and asking for help. As far as I know...FDR never received or replied to those letters. They were so sad. Everyone here loves FDR and I do too...but no man is perfect...and no decade in history has been fair to those with a darker skin.

http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/137/

[insta8er]

152. But boy will they scold us when she loses. Because then it is all our fault, we were the ones who

were pointing out he flaws, which helped drumpf etc. And then we had the audacity to not vote for her, after we were called not pure enough to be democrats.

[MaeScott]

197. Hell, what do these Democrats stand for anywAy with all the superdel lobbyists. nt

[Kittycat]

207. Just fall in line like good

republican- I mean democrats! Stop questioning, she knows best. We came, we saw, he died.

[frylock]

123. I don't think they've ever played sports, or understand the concept of the underdog.

[JoePhilly]

24. The effort to smear Hillary has failed.

In the end, Bernie supporters may have actually already helped Hillary for the general election.

By spending the last couple months recycling old RW smears, talking about Bill's dick, and so on ... she's probably been inoculated against much of that nonsense by now.

[Armstead]

30. I guess you haven't been listening

If Bernie and supporters really wanted to "smear" her, there's plenty of fodder there.

Bernie's been in DC a long time...He knows a lot of skeletons in closets that he never even went near.

And, FYI disagreements over issues and the criticisms of the nature of the political system is not automatically a "smear."

(Yes there have been smears too...But not only from Sanders, and not everything critical.)

[JoePhilly]

37. Bernie's actual message is drowned out ...

... by his angriest supporters.

Just look at DU, endless RW smears recycled.

There's not much left for Trump. He'll be recycling the recycled.

[puffy socks]

63. "He knows a lot of skeletons

in closets that he never even went near. "

About Hillary? and you know this how?

[Armstead]

81. Because I am all knowing and all seeing

...no not that.

But there is enough already out there that has been investigated and reported on (by reputable people, not just RW media) that Bernie has not touched.

Plus he has been in on the sausage making process in Congress, and that sausage is filled with feces.

[puffy socks]

134. Your original statement was : He knows a lot of skeletons in closets that he never even went near. "

Skeleton in the closet (idiom) or skeleton in the cupboard is a phrase used to describe a shameful secret.

when I ask how you know
you say:

"But there is enough already out there that has been investigated and reported on..."

Isn't it easier to just admit you made that " Skeleton in the closet" crap up?


Care to fill me in on all these investigations Bernie hasn't touched on that will magically sink Hillary's campaign simply because they are uttered from Bernard's lips?

[Armstead]

139. Google is your friend

I know the drill..."Show me a link that proves it." "Okay here's a link."...."No that not a credible source."...."Okay here's another."...."Still not good enough"....etc. ad nausea.

Been there, done that. If you care enough to do your own research, you are free to agree or disagree. But I'm not wasting my time.

[puffy socks]

141. All that shows is that you havent any substance to back up your claim. nt

[Armstead]

143. No I ran out of patience for that game. If you like Clinton, that's your own choice.

[enid602]

32. whine

Bern has lost, yet he and his supporters still continue to whine. Whine, whine, whine.

[Joe the Revelator]

75. Have you read the front page of GDP lately?

This post is in reference to the 'OH SHIT THANKS BERNIE, TRUMP SAYS SHE'S QUALIFIED TOO!!!!' hand wringing.


whine whine whine

[senz]

137. That's a bully word. Bro.

[rhett o rick]

49. She didn't kick Bush and Cheney's asses in 2002. In fact, when we needed her to be tough

she failed miserably. She chose to be tough on the poor people in Iraq. The hundreds of thousands that she knew would die if we invaded. But not only did she betray our Party, she read the script they gave her. She lied to us about the need to invade.

She is tough but always tough on the 99% and not the 1%.

[JoePhilly]

127. More babbling.

[rhett o rick]

188. She wasn't tough when we needed her to be. She acquiesed before Bush and Cheney.

She is tough on drug crimes that fill her Prisons For Profits that in turn feed her huge wealth.

“Far from resisting the emergence of the new caste system, Clinton escalated the drug war beyond what conservatives had imagined possible a decade earlier. As the Justice Policy Institute has observed, “the Clinton Administration’s ‘tough on crime’ policies resulted in the largest increases in federal and state prison inmates of any president in American history.”99 Clinton eventually moved beyond crime and capitulated to the conservative racial agenda on welfare. This move, like his “get tough” rhetoric and policies, was part of a grand strategy articulated by the “new Democrats” to appeal to the elusive white swing voters. In so doing, Clinton—more than any other president—created the current racial undercaste. He signed the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act, which “ended welfare as we know it,” replacing Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) with a block grant to states called Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF). TANF imposed a five-year lifetime limit on welfare assistance, as well as a permanent, lifetime ban on eligibility for welfare and food stamps for anyone convicted of a felony drug offense—including simple possession of marijuana.”
― Michelle Alexander, The New Jim Crow

She is tough on denying those in pain that need medical marijuana.

She is tough on those that want fracking to stop poisoning their water supplies.

For some her toughness trumps empathy.

[lancer78]

158. She has been losing the pledged

delegate count since March 8th. What I mean is that since March 8th, Bernie Sanders has gotten more pledged delegates then HRC.

[840high]

178. Her own behavior brought

these attacks on.

[alcibiades_mystery]

4. Clinton will do fine in the GE

And the arguments that she would lose will be soon forgotten.

By the way, weren't you supposed to be winning by now?

[timmymoff]

20. No, but we were supposed to be gone by now

remember, he will only win his home state, he will be gone by super Tuesday, he will be gone by the second super Tuesday ... etc etc.. the prediction business is not your niche

[Demsrule86]

164. He is gone

No chance at all. I want him in until California...to turn out the Dem vote...after that, he will concede in my opinion.

[timmymoff]

183. And then a large portion of the vote goes home, unable to stomach a vote for Her Corporateness

[madokie]

180. Hillary will never ever be elected President

and if you can't see that I'm sorry.
She turns way more people off than she ever turned on. I'm talking politics here. People will come out of the wood work, so to say, to vote against her. That you can bet on.

[alcibiades_mystery]

181. You're so very wrong

It doesn't really matter, though. Like I said, nobody will remember these little temper tantrums masquerading as analysis.

[chknltl]

5. Agreed. KnR Nuff said

[Broward]

6. Terrible general election candidate and she'd be a horrible president.

[Buzz Clik]

8. I like HRC just fine. Better than Beenie.

[Duckhunter935]

26. why?

[Buzz Clik]

34. Easy:

1. Most of the slurs, insults, and disparaging comments issued by Sanders supporters and exaggerations, hyperbole, or simple lies in an silly attempt to prove that simply because she is to the right of Sanders that she is to the right of center. That's bullshit.
   
2. I agree with all her documented (i.e., not fabricated crapoloa) policies.

[Duckhunter935]

42. good for you

Good to know it was not him or his policies.

I do not like her policies on fracking, minimum wage, taking quarter million dollar speaking fees and hiding what she said to her best friends on Wall Street. I do not care for her health care plans or her closeness with the healthcare and insurance lobby. I do not care for how she directly coordinates with her superpacs breaking at least the spirit of the law. I can keep going on about her policies but I think that is a start.

Of course the smears and insults directed at Bernie supporters here and by her surrogates ensure I will not vote for her. I am glad I am in a safe state where my vote will not matter but I will vote down ballot for the democratic selection.

[Buzz Clik]

51. "...ensure I will not vote for her." Enjoy your last month at DU.

[Duckhunter935]

57. I do not think it will end

I said the same in 2008 and I will not advocate or encourage anyone to not vote or vote third party and I will be very careful on what I post until November. I will vote or not vote as I see fit, as it it is a secret ballot.

I do not have 8 hides and have not needed a rules change to post unlike you my friend

[Buzz Clik]

65. But that decision is not up to you, is it?

Keep up you attitude, and you'll be gone.

[Duckhunter935]

69. It is indeed up to me

because it will be solely on what I post unless Skinner, EarlG or other admins decide to drop me for no cause

[Joe the Revelator]

76. It makes your pants move to say that doesn't it.

As stated in your above 'reason I love Hill!' post, your arguments with supporters of other candidates shape your actual political views. That is sad.

[Buzz Clik]

90. You think I get an erection by interacting with petulant children? That's disgusting.

That sort of comment could be construed as symptomatic of a deep spiral of moral decline.

That's some creepy shit.

[Joe the Revelator]

91. You've got a dark mind, buddy.

[Buzz Clik]

97. Please! Do tell the innocent reference of this: "It makes your pants move to say that doesn't it."

The floor is yours.

Good luck.

[Joe the Revelator]

98. You get excited at the idea of a purge.

You're the one who took it down a very dark and narrow path.

[Buzz Clik]

99. Ok. I'm done fucking around with you. Have the last word.

[Duckhunter935]

161. Are you saying I am a petulant child?

[Demsrule86]

162. right such a good idea to not vote for your best interests

because your feeling were hurt or whatever.

[Duckhunter935]

170. A am taking a reasonable calculation

Oklahoma is so red my vote or non-vote will not matter. I will vote down ticket of course.

FYI, my best interest is probably not Bernie, he would raise taxes as I do nicely for a single guy. I think the best interest of the country is his health care and community college paid for in his proposals. Hillary would be in my best interest personally.

[tonyt53]

9. Got some news for ya

Very, very few people over the age of 50 would vote for Bernie in the general election. what so many younger people and the politically naive do not understand is that one word that Bernie has so proudly put on his chest - Socialist. Like it or not, people over the age of 50 do remember what a socialist is. Try reading the Mother Jones about this same thing.

[Old Codger]

18. Let me tell ya

A whole hell of a lot more of us old farts are for Bernie than you seem to be able to comprehend... I lived through the cold war and commy scares and all that bullshit time and the word "socialist" doesn't scare me one fucking bit... you on the other hand are perfectly wiling to attempt to us the scare tactics and the be afraid tactics that absolutely reek of rove and bush and cheney etc.. take them all back to your hill crowd and stay there the smart side of this campaign doesn't need that shit...it also reeks of desperation..

[redstateblues]

58. Actually the experienced over 50 crowd (of which I'm one)is overwhelmingly

in favor of Hillary. Most of us have seen the pols that make unrealistic promises before. Like the Who sang "Won't Get Fooled Again"

[Armstead]

23. I got a good movie I'm sure you'll enjoy

[Duckhunter935]

28. I am over 50

and I remember real democrats and she is not one

[Thirties Child]

55. I'm 30+ years over 50 and remember the Democratic Party that was.

I suspect all the talk about us old folks voting for center right forgets that we cut our Democratic teeth on the party of FDR. Not only do we remember what once was, but we feel cheated by what the party has become. If I live to be 100, I've only got four more presidential elections. I'm tired of holding my nose to vote.

[Arugula Latte]

115. You mean the democratic socialism that brought us Social Security, Medicare, fire departments,

public schools, public libraries, public parks, student loans, mail service, bridges, garbage collection, vaccines, city transportation, the National Weather Service, and so forth?

So terrible! Who would want any of those things?! We should strive to be more like Somalia, which is unfettered by that terrible Socialism!

[desmiller]

121. Typical. The Ol' Socialist scare. Socialism can go both ways - good and bad.

I believe that most people don't like socialism because it contains one frightening factor: REVOLUTION. Oh by the way,
I'm 35 and on behalf of my younger Berners, we will not be overruled by this out-dated socialist scare you and others have cooked up. People who support and work for Hillary have ridiculed and belittled us for far too long. If your candidate pushes away the young ones, even with AA votes, she's good as fucked. period.

Oh yeah,


.....naughty list you go.

[senz]

131. I'm way over 50. I remember America before Reagan and Clinton.

Bernie's vision continues Democratic social and economic progress that was stopped and reversed by Reagan and the DLC/Third Way/Blue Dog Democrats.

I can't wait for the day we get on with long overdue social and economic justice.

[J_J_]

11. I am absolutely positive that Trump and republicans will be harder on Hillary than Bernie

and she couldn't deal with his 'tone'

I really don't want to listen to Republicans go after her for the next 4-8 years,
because this time they have real ammo.

I just want someone to focus on fixing the problems in this country.

A Hillary presidency will be all Republican attacks all the time.

They are already getting ready to impeach her.

[Buzz Clik]

16. Bernie's onslaught of insults for HRC were simply retreads of old Rovian smears.

Trump's crew will dig deeper (or be more shallow) in establishing their approach.

[eridani]

195. Rove is for single payer health care? Since when? n/t

[Buzz Clik]

196. Gee. That's food for thought. Hmmmmm

• He didn't support single payer
  
• He never called his opponents neocons
  
• He never called his opponents neolibs
  
• He never called his opponents Republicans

Golly, either I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about, or you intentionally missed the point.

I'm guessing it's the latter.

[eridani]

236. The left's criticisms are the exact opposite of the right's

But go on pretending that they are exactly the same.

[Buzz Clik]

238. Whatever you do, NEVER read my responses. That information might interrupt your narrative.

[Lazy Daisy]

39. And our tax dollars will be hard at work

investigating every sneeze. Can't fund education, healthcare, SS, or any other worthwhile policy but the Republicans will find plenty of money to keep her dodging scandal after scandal. So much for getting anything of substance done.

[yourpaljoey]

12. Maximum baggage

[Autumn]

13. They expect the GOP to treat her with kid gloves like Bernie has.

You would think this is the first time they have ever seen a primary or an election.

[rhett o rick]

53. If I was Trump and Clinton managed to win the nomination, I would ask her if she now agrees that

the Republicon decision to invade Iraq was a good decision. Why did she abandon Democratic values when the chips were down? Maybe she doesn't agree with Democratic Values. I wouldn't be able to defend her.

[PeaceNikki]

15. Lol, yet Sanders can't beat this alleged "shitty" candidate.

[Armstead]

19. Building a grass roots campaign against an entrenched corporate political machine...

Yeah it's kind of uphill, regardless of the relative merits of candidates

[redstateblues]

61. Amazing that BSS don't get that.

[frylock]

125. Amazing how the Most Admired Woman in the World 20 years running..

can't close the deal on a virtually unknown 74-year old socialist with the backing of the entire Party Machine behind her.

[PeaceNikki]

130. Pssst, the *deal is closed*. We just have a lot of primary deniers amongst us.

If the tallies were flipped and Sanders were ahead by 300 pledged delegates and 500 supers, you'll would think so, too.

[senz]

142. And the MSM. She's got the media.

Still, people sense something's wrong, just wrong, with that candidate.

[Marr]

210. That's exactly it.

Every imaginable advantage and she *still* hasn't officially sealed the deal against an unknown, 74 year old, Jewish socialist from Vermont. That is a weak candidate. Or a very unhappy electorate.

[SFnomad]

17. If BS can't beat a "shitty" candidate ... what does that say about BS? n/t

[puffy socks]

46. Right! How is Bernie going to beat Trump in the GE

if he can't even beat the "shitty" candidate in the primaries?

[Trenzalore]

21. I'm saving my energy for Trump

Ignoring bitter dead enders like you

[beachbumbob]

22. Losing to a shitty candidate is even worse especially

When you are outspending that candidate....can't buy votes and can't be better than crap,....

[Gomez163]

29. Spoken like a true republican

[revmclaren]

44. There is a reason for that....

[Joe the Revelator]

77. That slur doesn't even make sense Gomez, try harder next time.

[Squinch]

35. Fine! You won't play the game I want to play? Then I'm leaving. And just wait! You're

not going to have any fun without me!



The special snowflake Sanders supporters are certainly distinguishing themselves from the rational and reasonable Sanders supporters these days. Thanks for making identification easy for us!

[JoePhilly]

38. + 1

[savalez]

36. HRC will do just fine despite your moronic post.

[Joe the Revelator]

78. Then why are their so many threads saying 'thanks Bernie' because Trump may call Hillary unqualified

Did you guys really think he wouldn't go there? That is the tip of a very very large and deep iceberg.

[SidDithers]

40. Awww...

Can I get you a tissue?

Sid

[KingFlorez]

41. There is only one crappy candidate and his name is Bernie Sanders!

He outspent Clinton big and still managed to lose BIG!

[Merryland]

47. and many of us will be staying home on Election Day

because the options most likely will be abysmal, so enjoy your candidate before Trump has demolished her.

[KingFlorez]

50. Clinton will destroy Trump

You all overall inflate your power. There aren't enough Sanders extremists to throw the election to Trump. Even if Sanders were to campaign for Trump, he'd still get destroyed.

Go sit down.

[LuvLoogie]

43. Awe. Have a cookie...

[Joe the Revelator]

79. Off topic, but that made me laugh my ass off

Well played.

[LuvLoogie]

111. Good! May you laugh at least once a day.

[1monster]

187. You didn'tell us Hillary had cookies!!!

What a decision: Bernie or Cookies with Hillary....

[SFnomad]

48. It looks like you need a big hug

[Amaril]

230. Am I the only one that finds that creepy?

Like Pennywise the Clown creepy?

[dbackjon]

52. Lol. She is not a shitty candidate

But your posting is

[Joe the Revelator]

80. Well....that convinced me.

[stevenleser]

56. Our "shitty candidate" beat your candidate. That means your candidate

Is orders of magnitude worse than "shitty"

[Live and Learn]

73. Absurd argument. Per your logic, Gore was shittier than Bush. nt

[Lizzie Poppet]

116. BZZZZT!

Apple, meet orange...

ProTip: when the operating parameters vary radically between scenarios, simple direct comparisons of the outcomes are meaningless. I'll leave it to you to puzzle out the differences between 30% of the electorate and 100%, open vs closed elections, and so forth...

[Jester Messiah]

138. Nope, just means your girl twisted the primary rules to her benefit.

That shit won't fly in the general.

[redstateblues]

157. Always the victim. Conspiracies abound. Cue the XFiles theme

[stevenleser]

175. Then we have nothing to worry about if the Clintons can bend elections to their whim. Of course

thats bullshit.

[nc4bo]

173. but wait......she wasn't supposed to have to fight some no name candidate.

She WAS leading by what...50%-60%?

Clinton, Inc. HAS to fight so hard the kitchen sink and scorched earth policy platform has to be deployed along with a "little" help from ALL her lil buddies and dig this: SHE'S STILL NOT BLOWING HIM AWAY!

So the the facts are either #1. Sanders is an exceptional candidate or #2. Hillary is a really terrible awful one to not hold on to any of that 60% lead from 11 months ago.

How unnerving that's gotta be for Clinton and Clinton, Inc.

[rock]

59. Why do the Bernie supporters have a poster of Bernie

which reads, "Bernie is NOT an asshole?" Think about it.

[Joe the Revelator]

82. No idea what you're talking about.

[rock]

101. Try this link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12809963

Message 27. I just picked the first I could find. You're welcome.

[passiveporcupine]

237. The message attached to that image can be read two ways,

and I think I know what you are pretending it means. Either way I don't approve of using graphics or messages that way against either candidate. I've given up asking Bernie people to stop doing shit like that because too many of them really don't care how nasty they come across anymore; because they have been inundated with it from Hill camp.

You see, if both sides weren't doing it, neither side would be doing it. Nobody here can try to appear morally superior. And it just keeps escalating. I've seen a shit ton of uglies coming from Hill camp lately.

Funny you would want to bring attention to it, considering how it is meant to be read.

I just wish both sides would quit with this kind of childish behavior.

[floppyboo]

84. Why does Hillary have a logo with a red arrow pointing right?

You gotta know that went through intense scrutiny and a million billion focus groups. Who exactly was the campaign targeting from the beginning? She's used the Democratic party for power. I really have thought long and hard about it, and I would be mad as hell if I were one of the one's fooled.

[rock]

93. I can answer that

It points stage left. (If you see it as right, well, maybe you're the one with inclinations).

[floppyboo]

102. I'm pretty sure it is right - it's designed for the observer. Stage left for the 'wearer' of sign

[rock]

103. Like I say

It seems to be your disposition.

[floppyboo]

105. correct. I would never be on stage with that sign.

[rock]

190. Accepted.

[Luminous Animal]

92. I could give you a reading comprehension lesson but I don't want the hide. PM me if you are

interested.

[msongs]

60. ok youve convinced me. Im voting for the guy who can only manage third place lol nt

[anigbrowl]

68. The flounce is strong with this one nt

[Beacool]

71. And I was just saying that civility and common courtesy should be a two way street.

Well, there goes that theory.

[Joe the Revelator]

83. Like i've said above Bea, this is in response to the idea..

mentioned in many threads, that 'OMG, TRUMP IS GOING TO SAY HILLARY IS UNQUALIFIED, THANKS BERNIE!!!!'

That is the kind of bullshit I am talking about.

[Beacool]

87. Yes, but there's a way to make a point, my friend.

Calling her a "shitty" candidate is not cool.

[Joe the Revelator]

88. ...

Gotta make you people click somehow.

[mythology]

192. I disagree, the terminology does make a point

Specifically it makes a point about who the poster is.

[CobaltBlue]

85. This thread has a valid point

When a party has a difficult, contested primary, and there are fundamental differences in how the two leading candidates would serve as president of the United States … the people who voted for the runner-up candidate are not obligated to vote for the candidate who wins the party’s nomination in the general election. Not all 100 percent of them do. It is up to the eventual nominee to win over the voters who didn’t support him/her for nomination.

[seabeyond]

86. Petty, Joe.

[Joe the Revelator]

89. Again, as I've said multiple times above.

This is in response to more and more threads shocked...SHOCKED...i tell you that Trump may parrot things like Hillary being 'unqualified' and blaming Bernie for that. My argument remains, if she can't handle something as small as THAT, Trump is going to eat her alive.

[seabeyond]

95. And still, I stand with original statement.

[Joe the Revelator]

96. That is completely your right.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

94. lol. Ok

[wyldwolf]

100. yet Bernie is still getting his ass whupped by our 'shitty candidate.'

And all Bernie followers can do is strap on the tinfoil hat for an explanation.

[lancer78]

168. Not really

Sanders has been winning the pledged delegate race since mid-March. Hillary just ran up the score early enough in the southern states.

[wyldwolf]

184. Yes really

Regardless of WHEN the delegates were won, she still won them and has an insurmountable lead.

[Gomez163]

106. The juries here are stacked with Bernie people.

How this thread wasnt hidden is beyond me.

[CentralCoaster]

107. Yeah, I know. But then if you write things like, "Obummercare", ya might get an alert.

At least I think that was you.

Off to check. Apologies if I'm wrong.

[Gomez163]

109. IT WAS ME BEING IRONIC.

I actually use Obamacare. They're just looking for shit to nail me with.

[Lil Missy]

113. It sure is. The new alert system will eliminate this Bernie Bias according to Skinner.

[Gomez163]

118. Maybe 4 of the hides I have are deserved. The rest are pure BS

[Marr]

214. No, your hides are deserved.

Of course, you really ought to be on a timeout with that number of hidden posts-- and would be, if not for the Hillary Fan Behavior Curve.

[Gomez163]

220. No. I have email from a jury member on one of the hides. He

Said it was total BS. All the other jurors were Bernie people.

[Marr]

222. Oh, well-- an actual email from a jury member. That's certainly compelling.

Your hides were deserved.

[Gomez163]

223. Again, they were not. Want to go all day??

[Marr]

224. Sure.

You deserved every one of them.

[Gomez163]

226. Did not

[Amaril]

231. And how would he know that?

Unless he personally polled the other jurors and asked their candidate of choice, which he would not be able to do because the jurors aren't identified, then he is just guessing, and he was probably wrong. I don't vote to hide unless it is an unwarranted personal attack, so I've voted to leave plenty of stuff from both camps, and of the 15 or so juries I've been on the last 2-3 weeks, I've voted in the majority on all of them except one.

[Gomez163]

234. Getting a hide for

1. Making a joke about Obamacare (which I use) - calling it Obummercare.

2. Making a joke about Bernie kissing the Pope's ring. (I'm a Catholic)

3. Making a joke about Bernie supporters being birdbrains. Because of the bird.

4. Saying I'm not taking orders from a Bernie bot.

5. A comment about giving Bernie the $40 million he would get in may if he would just drop out. I HAVE SEEN MUCH WORSE ABOUT HILLARY THAT WAS NOT ALERTED.

6. Suggesting Bernie supporters might be republicans because they hate Hillary. HOW MANY TIMES HAS HILLARY BEEN CALLED A REPUBLICAN???

7. Calling Bernie a grifter. HOW MANY TIMES HAS HILLARY BEEN CALLED CORRUPT HERE???

8. Asking a Bernie person to hang around on a primary night so I can gloat. REALLY??

THIS IS BULLSHIT.

[Demsrule86]

166. Good news

We Hillary supporters were getting creamed. Every post was alerted.

[Marr]

211. What's the new system? Alerts don't work on people with Hillary logos? /nt

[Lil Missy]

112. Get it out of your system. Not much time left to trash the Democratic nominee on this website.

Your tirade (tantrum) makes no sense anyway.

[NuclearDem]

114. Coming from the camp that blames everything for its shitty candidate.

[stevil]

117. Don't blame Hillary for yours

Sounds shitty, right? Look in the mirror.

[tularetom]

119. She's only "tough" when she's dealing with people who don't fight back

Civil, gentlemanly politicians like Bernie Sanders who is too decent to get down in the gutter with her.

She likes to beat up on hippies, but she kisses up to real assholes like Kissinger and Bush Jr.

[senz]

135. Yep, typical top-dog elitist.

Just what we need in the Oval Office.

[Thinkingabout]

120. I blame Bernie for his votes and agenda, if to some voters they sound $hitty then

They do not call on me.

[Tarc]

128. Why wouodl we think the candidate that we voted for was, quote "shitty" ?

First there was #berniemath, now there's #bernielogic

[Rex]

132. Trump cannot win. This is HRC race to lose imo.

[Jester Messiah]

136. Damn right.

"How dare you offer an alternative to our carefully prepared shit sandwich!? You MONSTERS!!" So of course it'll be Bernie's (and our) fault that people got a taste for something other than shit-based dining.

[senz]

140. You express thoughts I've had for months.

That really, truly is what is being offered to the American people.

[MyNameGoesHere]

144. I won't. just like I don't blame Sanders for his shitty

supporters.

[joshcryer]

145. Trump will become the new McGovern.

And all these posts are pointless

[John Poet]

189. ... and Hillary is the new Nixon.

Can't wait for her secret wars to begin.

[senz]

146. If she finagles her way into the GE, it's going be very interesting to watch.

[Demsrule86]

169. Yeah

Interesting..she is in...and I hope for the sake of the country she wins...I want her to win...I would never idolize a candidate enough to support the GOP by not voting Dem.

[seabeyond]

204. "finagles"? Like get more votes? Lol. Really? Amazing. Kicking ass, and still "finagles".

[NCTraveler]

150. Don't blame Clinton or the DNC that Sanders couldn't get out the vote. Nt

[BootinUp]

153. To Gloat Or Not To Gloat

that is the question:
Whether ’tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them?

[Agnosticsherbet]

155. I Will not credit Sanders for our great candidate

[Feathery Scout]

171. Extraordinary Team of Democratic/Independent Campaigners to support 2016 POTUS Candidate

I think Hillary will have the most extraordinary group of amazing people campaigning with her:

Bernie, Elizabeth Warren, Joe Biden, Bill Clinton, OBAMA!!

Such an amazing advantage over the Repubicans will give us a strong chance at keeping the White House....along with the fact that Trump is a terrifying monster.


And we still haven't taken into account her VP pick...

[passiveporcupine]

182. Please amend your title.

It is rude and insulting and not something we should be doing here.

[Joe the Revelator]

186. I appreciate your concern.

[randome]

203. But that's their number #1 tactic: to be rude and insulting!

It's how the Sanders supporters roll, these days.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)[/center][/font][hr]

[passiveporcupine]

227. On an equal par with Hillary supporters. n/t

[randome]

228. Sometimes. But the rude Sanders supporters greatly outweigh the rude Clinton supporters.

If that makes any difference.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)[/center][/font][hr]

[Amaril]

232. Then you just haven't been paying attention

It's pretty much 50/50 and has been all along.

[passiveporcupine]

233. I've observed just the opposite.

I guess we each tend to gloss over our uglies, but I'm pretty observant of this kind of disrespect, no matter which side it comes from, and I don't see it as often from Bernie fans. I don't read all the threads though; and people I find exceptionally obnoxious are on ignore, no matter who they support. Maybe you should try that. It's nice not to have that in your face all the time.

[Waiting For Everyman]

191. Yep, when their choice becomes a disaster it will be 100% on them.

And she will become a disaster because there is absolutely nothing ahead of her that will not be swamped by the liabilities she has created through all of the self-serving, law-breaking things she has already done, which will only become more prominent as time goes on.

The disaster will be even more the supporters' responsibility than hers because they will have chosen it and enabled it.

[amborin]

193. if she were the nominee, she wouldn't be able to withstand the attacks

[Joe the Revelator]

198. Probably the only candidate we could field that will hand Trump the White House.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

194. K&R

[leeroysphitz]

199. EG-FUCKING-ZACTLY. N/T

[djean111]

201. Since Debbie Wasserman Schultz was appointed - Democrats have lost 900+ state legislature seats,

12 governors, 69 House seats, 13 Senate seats.

Look like the problem is DWS, and not Bernie's fault, and absolutely not Bernie's job to fix. Bernie is just being scapegoated. That's all that is happening. The usual deflection and lies. From the DNC.

[vintx]

212. +1

[rock]

202. " Don't blame Bernie for your shitty candidate"

I don't, I blame him for yours.

[Baitball Blogger]

208. I will vote for Hillary, if that's how this goes...

...but I am so getting ready for the inevitable disappointment that will come from the ethical breaches that neo-liberalism are known for. So, I'm working my frying pan arm maneuver:





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[Arugula Latte]

215. To me they won't be "disappointments" because I expect her to

act like neoliberal Neocon and screw progressives over six ways to Sunday whenever she gets the chance.

[Baitball Blogger]

216. The disappointments won't be ours.

I expect there will be people who will finally understand what we have been trying to tell them.

[basselope]

218. Sad to say that is not likely.

THEY jump to the defense of the person with the D next to their name no matter what they do. Vote for a war, the patriot act, fracking, free trade agreements... it all doesn't matter. Heck, put our healthcare system MORE into the hands of the insurance companies.. s'oaky by them!

[basselope]

217. We survived 8 years of bush, we can survive 4 years of Trump.

[Demsrule86]

235. Don't blame Hillary for your shitty losing candidate.