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SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
Sun May 1, 2016, 10:49 AM May 2016

Sorry Bros, But Bernie Doesn't Have a Chance in California

http://www.laweekly.com/news/sorry-bros-but-bernie-doesnt-have-a-chance-in-california-6878783

California is, as Sen. Bernie Sanders might say, huge.

Nearly one-fifth of the total delegates needed for the Democratic presidential nomination are up for grabs here. The number of pledged delegates alone for the blue party here is 475.

While late-in-the-game timing has made the Golden State irrelevant in past presidential elections, this June things could be a little more exciting even as Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump take their seats as the self-appointed nominees of the Democratic and Republican parties, respectively.

Support for Sanders among young Californians is devotional. But at this point in the game, he really doesn't have a chance.



Even more so, when money gets tight.

Sid
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Sorry Bros, But Bernie Doesn't Have a Chance in California (Original Post) SidDithers May 2016 OP
Bumper stickers, yard signs, HUGE RALLIES! grossproffit May 2016 #1
yet it's votes that count - not signs, stickers, and rally attendance DrDan May 2016 #13
Facebook, Reddit, DU and KOS too!!! workinclasszero May 2016 #61
... and HA Goodman. NurseJackie May 2016 #63
Meaning what? HassleCat May 2016 #2
We have a right to vote for our candidate the hell he would have been pushed away by your side. bkkyosemite May 2016 #5
Yes, he's wasting peoples time and energy asking for money and keeping it for himself mostly uponit7771 May 2016 #39
I personally authorize Bernie to spend my donations on a trip to Hawaii... Human101948 May 2016 #53
I'm sure Bernie and Jane are eternally grateful COLGATE4 May 2016 #66
Hopefully they will pay all the bills first, unlike Hillary who raked in tens of millions... Human101948 May 2016 #67
Time will tell if they do or don't. nt COLGATE4 May 2016 #68
You are wrong and I suspect you know you are wrong but made your statement anyway. PufPuf23 May 2016 #59
This is false, 1. Sanders is still asking for money, 2. GE polls mean not a damn thing right now uponit7771 May 2016 #69
So what if Sanders is still collecting money. He is still a candidate for primaries yet to occur. PufPuf23 May 2016 #70
Money gets tight LOL....He made just as much this month as Hillary made last month and he bkkyosemite May 2016 #3
But I was just told that Sid can't vote for Clinton or Trump byyiminy May 2016 #6
If Bernie makes a miracle comeback... SidDithers May 2016 #14
Fundraising dropped sharply from where it was in months KingFlorez May 2016 #9
She is not spending money on the remaining races Demsrule86 May 2016 #47
I wonder how she will be blamed for her win this time since voting is done mostly by mail in CA. n/t JTFrog May 2016 #4
This is what they're going with "California SOS huge Hillary fan." grossproffit May 2016 #7
Lol, I knew there would be something. n/t JTFrog May 2016 #8
No that's Oregon...I am a Californian in Oregon. Oregon is by mail. CA is by going to your polling bkkyosemite May 2016 #10
I live in CA. I vote by mail. Don't know what you are talking about. JTFrog May 2016 #12
nope, California has allowed voting by mail for years and i'm in a high population area JI7 May 2016 #27
70+% of voting in CA is early voting via mail obamanut2012 May 2016 #57
Voting by mail here too... revmclaren May 2016 #65
Sanders could win CA and it wouldn't really matter. Garrett78 May 2016 #11
Yes, and it will show what a pathetically weak candidate Hillary is... Human101948 May 2016 #55
Polls done for every region show him at 61.5% support Tiggeroshii May 2016 #15
You should check out some of the other "analysis" done by thepoliticalanalyzer... SidDithers May 2016 #16
Did you read the "About" page on this guy's blog? VOX May 2016 #20
+1, wtf is a "Italian Psychologist"?! These guys scare the shit outtah me uponit7771 May 2016 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2016 #43
No way he has that kind of lead Demsrule86 May 2016 #49
K & R Scurrilous May 2016 #17
K & R BootinUp May 2016 #18
K&R ismnotwasm May 2016 #19
The Weekly doesn't know its ass from its elbow whatchamacallit May 2016 #21
Steady as she goes in California, Hillary! Cha May 2016 #22
Second that emotion. ucrdem May 2016 #23
No kidding! Cha May 2016 #26
Thirded! fred v May 2016 #25
Some things are just so predictable, fred! Cha May 2016 #29
and that he actually won the primary even though with less votes DrDan May 2016 #54
Great song workinclasszero May 2016 #62
Fourthed Firebrand Gary May 2016 #28
Hey, Gary.. haven't Cha May 2016 #32
Bernie Sanders has succeeded before in going up in the polls. Eric J in MN May 2016 #24
In open primary states uponit7771 May 2016 #36
Bernie has very much of a chance to take CA and take it big. highprincipleswork May 2016 #30
Because a month is just a nanosecond in politics? Or is this expected to remain stagnant for silvershadow May 2016 #31
Same can be said about Sanders General Election polling argument then, he shouldn't be running now uponit7771 May 2016 #37
The headline is a lie, based on sentences IN THE SAME ARTICLE. Incredible. reformist2 May 2016 #33
Well dammit that changes things, OP should be "Little to no chance in hell" and that would've made i uponit7771 May 2016 #38
What the Fuck is a Bro Sky Masterson May 2016 #34
Hillaryspeak for "a man". (nt) w4rma May 2016 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2016 #44
"Bros hate being beat by a woman." Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2016 #46
HRC is not a "girl". Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2016 #52
In 1984, I was told that about Gary Hart rpannier May 2016 #41
I was at the CA HRC delegate election yesterday. Starry Messenger May 2016 #42
K & R enthusiastically. Surya Gayatri May 2016 #50
K&R! stonecutter357 May 2016 #51
According to your article, 538 syas that he has a 9% chance of winning California Vattel May 2016 #56
Too diverse. nt LexVegas May 2016 #58
Yes that's one big reason why he will lose California workinclasszero May 2016 #64
Aren't you Canadian? masmdu May 2016 #60

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
13. yet it's votes that count - not signs, stickers, and rally attendance
Sun May 1, 2016, 11:36 AM
May 2016

that seems to be lost on quite a few

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
2. Meaning what?
Sun May 1, 2016, 10:54 AM
May 2016

He should give up, I guess. Many people in Cali want to vote for him, and he's going to give them the opportunity to do so. The only way to keep progressives interested in our party is to allow progressive candidates to run. In the long run, we will benefit from the Sanders candidacy more than if we had pushed him aside in the early going.

uponit7771

(90,346 posts)
39. Yes, he's wasting peoples time and energy asking for money and keeping it for himself mostly
Mon May 2, 2016, 05:59 AM
May 2016

... on a losing venture spouting GE polls that have meant nothing in the primaries.

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
53. I personally authorize Bernie to spend my donations on a trip to Hawaii...
Mon May 2, 2016, 07:19 AM
May 2016

Or wherever he wants to go with deluxe accomodations of his choice. He deserves it after working so hard for us during this campaign.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
66. I'm sure Bernie and Jane are eternally grateful
Mon May 2, 2016, 10:14 AM
May 2016

for your unequivocal devotion. Perhaps they'll thank you for it although, seeing as how they fired all the campaign workers they just let go, probably not.

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
67. Hopefully they will pay all the bills first, unlike Hillary who raked in tens of millions...
Mon May 2, 2016, 10:18 AM
May 2016

while stiffing her campaign suppliers. I am sure that many of them suffered serious financial problems while she was feathering her nest.

PufPuf23

(8,785 posts)
59. You are wrong and I suspect you know you are wrong but made your statement anyway.
Mon May 2, 2016, 07:40 AM
May 2016

Folks are free to spend their time and monies as they wish, many do not agree with you. People in some states, like myself in California, have yet to primary vote and candidates are still active in campaign mode.

Weak sauce is comparing the finances of Sanders with Clinton. The candidates do not live in the same world of relative wealth.

By law, POTUS candidates cannot use campaign money for personal use.

From: http://www.factcheck.org/2008/11/personal-use-of-campaign-money/

Q: Can the presidential candidates keep their campaign money?

A: No. They can donate any contributions they haven’t spent to charities or political parties, and they can pay leftover campaign bills. The big rule is: no personal use.

As Bob Biersack from the Federal Election Commission points out, most candidates don’t have much left over to begin with. Campaigning is expensive, and “leftover” money gets used for bills and debts first, including expenses incurred while winding down an abandoned campaign or a lost political office.

Candidates do sometimes end up with surplus funds, though, particularly if they’re incumbent members of Congress who decide not to run for another term. State and local governments have their own rules, but those running for federal office – including presidential candidates – must abide by strict FEC guidelines when it comes to their extra campaign money. They can donate an unlimited amount to a charity or political party. They can also, within limits, make contributions directly to other candidates. A campaign committee can give up to $2,000 per election to each candidate. If the committee is converted into a political action committee, the limit jumps to $5,000 – but to be established as a PAC, the committee would have to be in existence for six months, receive contributions from 50 donors, and make contributions to five recipients.

What candidates can’t do with leftover money is use it for personal expenses. Retiring federal lawmakers used to be able to pocket extra cash and use it for cars, vacations, clothes, pet grooming, whatever – but that changed in 1989 with the passage of the Ethics Reform Act.

uponit7771

(90,346 posts)
69. This is false, 1. Sanders is still asking for money, 2. GE polls mean not a damn thing right now
Mon May 2, 2016, 04:46 PM
May 2016

... and Clinton is ahead of Trump in some polls, 3. Sanders did say "We'll see" when it comes to supporting down ballot dems.

All 3 of those are facts that are not in dispute with people who like reality

PufPuf23

(8,785 posts)
70. So what if Sanders is still collecting money. He is still a candidate for primaries yet to occur.
Mon May 2, 2016, 05:32 PM
May 2016

Folks have the choice to send campaign money even if Sanders is likely to lose.

In any case a candidate cannot convert campaign funds to personal use legally.

Who said anything about the GE (general election, I didn't).

I never said anything about Sanders and down tickets Democrats.

What is the matter with you?

I don't disagree with any of what you posted 1-3 but you did not address at all what I posted.

You are the source of the disconnect.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
3. Money gets tight LOL....He made just as much this month as Hillary made last month and he
Sun May 1, 2016, 10:54 AM
May 2016

out did her by almost double last month. Sid Sid Sid I think you are one of my most favorite Hillary supporters....LOL

 

byyiminy

(39 posts)
6. But I was just told that Sid can't vote for Clinton or Trump
Sun May 1, 2016, 10:56 AM
May 2016

I said the same thing, and thought he was my bro.

Now you're saying that Sid's a Clinton supporter?

What gives?

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
9. Fundraising dropped sharply from where it was in months
Sun May 1, 2016, 10:58 AM
May 2016

He is being cut off. People are not going to keep wasting money on a losing campaign. April's proceeds are probably almost spent.

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
47. She is not spending money on the remaining races
Mon May 2, 2016, 07:07 AM
May 2016

She has turned to the general because the primary is over.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
4. I wonder how she will be blamed for her win this time since voting is done mostly by mail in CA. n/t
Sun May 1, 2016, 10:55 AM
May 2016

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
10. No that's Oregon...I am a Californian in Oregon. Oregon is by mail. CA is by going to your polling
Sun May 1, 2016, 11:00 AM
May 2016

place or now they allow you to vote by mail unless the population of your area is less than 250 then you vote by mail.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
12. I live in CA. I vote by mail. Don't know what you are talking about.
Sun May 1, 2016, 11:01 AM
May 2016

I said most voting in CA is done by mail and it is. Yes, there is still a choice to vote at a polling place or by mail, but I'm still pretty sure most people vote by mail.

revmclaren

(2,524 posts)
65. Voting by mail here too...
Mon May 2, 2016, 10:13 AM
May 2016

as is a large number of my family. All for Clinton! Lived here most of my life. Born and raised here. Hard to bullshit a True Californian.



Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
11. Sanders could win CA and it wouldn't really matter.
Sun May 1, 2016, 11:01 AM
May 2016

It might impact the narrative to some extent, but it won't make him the nominee. Unless he were to win by a massive margin, which isn't going to happen.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
16. You should check out some of the other "analysis" done by thepoliticalanalyzer...
Sun May 1, 2016, 03:22 PM
May 2016

POLL: SANDERS LEADS CLINTON BY 8% IN NEW YORK

THAT’S WHY SANDERS LEADING WITH 58% IN NEW YORK

SANDERS IS GOING TO WIN NEW YORK WITH 58%

SANDERS WILL REACH 2470 DELEGATES. THAT’S WHY

BERNIE HAS 10-POINT LEAD IN ILLINOIS AND MISSOURI

BERNIE SANDERS IS OVERTAKING HILLARY CLINTON IN FLORIDA



Has this guy been right about anything?

Sid

VOX

(22,976 posts)
20. Did you read the "About" page on this guy's blog?
Sun May 1, 2016, 10:52 PM
May 2016

"Italian Psychologist and Political Scientist. Social Media Expert, Trends and Sentiment Analyzer, Memetica Expert, Frames Guru, Storyteller, Marketing and Communication, Musician, Rapper, Writer, Ghostwriter, and many more."

Not exactly a skilled statistician. He's just some dude who's cherry-picking data and "projecting" using his own fantasies to shape it. Dreadfully amateurish stuff.

Response to Tiggeroshii (Reply #15)

 

fred v

(271 posts)
25. Thirded!
Mon May 2, 2016, 03:25 AM
May 2016

But, on the morning after, Berniebots will still be insisting he can win the nomination.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
24. Bernie Sanders has succeeded before in going up in the polls.
Mon May 2, 2016, 03:24 AM
May 2016

He trails in California by 7 points. He does have a chance to make that up and win in June.

uponit7771

(90,346 posts)
37. Same can be said about Sanders General Election polling argument then, he shouldn't be running now
Mon May 2, 2016, 05:56 AM
May 2016

... he's wasting peoples time and energy

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
33. The headline is a lie, based on sentences IN THE SAME ARTICLE. Incredible.
Mon May 2, 2016, 05:29 AM
May 2016

They quote 538 (of course):

<<According to our latest polls-plus forecast, Hillary Clinton has a 91 percent chance of winning the California primary," the website states.>>

That sounds like long odds, but far from "no chance".

What they try to do is say that Bernie needs to win California by so much that he has no chance of winning the nomination. But the headline says he has no chance of winning California, which is not true, even according to their friends at 538.

uponit7771

(90,346 posts)
38. Well dammit that changes things, OP should be "Little to no chance in hell" and that would've made i
Mon May 2, 2016, 05:58 AM
May 2016

... 99.9% accurate !!

Come on, Sanders is wasting time and energy

Response to w4rma (Reply #40)

Response to Fast Walker 52 (Reply #45)

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
48. HRC is not a "girl".
Mon May 2, 2016, 07:07 AM
May 2016

That being said, I don't mind being beaten by a woman. As I said, your line is obnoxious.

Response to Fast Walker 52 (Reply #48)

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
41. In 1984, I was told that about Gary Hart
Mon May 2, 2016, 06:35 AM
May 2016

He would never win California.
That was the belief among many of the pundits
Hart buried Mondale

I realize that was 30+ years ago
But since some of the Clinto people bring up 1972, I feel I am justified

on note; Go Jays. I think they need to let Gibbons go. Considering how much money the organization has spent, he hasn't really delivered as a manager.
I know last year they made the ALCS, but he was outmanaged and this year they've been dreadful to watch

Curious what you think Sid
Keep or Go for Gibbons

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
42. I was at the CA HRC delegate election yesterday.
Mon May 2, 2016, 06:45 AM
May 2016

I've never participated in one before, it was fun. Lots of enthusiasm--I voted for two young men among my male selectees who were very earnest that they wanted to show that not all youth were Bern feelers.

Tons of women, many of color, ran for delegates. I was there to vote for an AFT member who'd asked for CA-14 voters to come out to support her, but I was pleased to be able to have many more great candidates to select also.

The parking lot was jammed and the line was huge. The Bernie election was in SF, so I can't report on it, but I saw lots of enthusiasm at our site.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
64. Yes that's one big reason why he will lose California
Mon May 2, 2016, 10:12 AM
May 2016

He's already lost the primary as it is so w/e.

I guess they want to keep those 27 dollar checks rollin in as long as possible from the delusional, confused and math challenged fans. SMH

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