Do you socialize with misogynistic racists for fun? I don't.

[IdaBriggs]

Hillary and Bill Clinton do. Maybe Donald Trump isn't really that bad?

https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=&w=480

I know -- blasphemy, right? On a DEMOCRATIC message board? Implying that socializing with "Donald the Devil" is acceptable? I mean, if an OBNOXIOUS MISOGYNISTIC RACIST invites you someplace, obviously you graciously decline -- maybe you have to wash your hair or something, right? I mean, unless it's a relative or a friend or something...

Or something like money?

Donald Trump Says His Money Drew Hillary Clinton to His Wedding, ABC News, Aug 7, 2015
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-money-drew-hillary-clinton-wedding/story?id=32936868

Donald Trump’s millions have snagged him favors from several prominent politicians -– including Democratic rival Hillary Clinton, he said tonight.

“Hillary Clinton, I said be at my wedding, and she came to my wedding," the reality-star-turned-politician said at the first GOP presidential debate in Cleveland. "She had no choice because I gave to a foundation.”

(snip)

The Clinton campaign spokeswoman Jennifer Palmieri said Trump's comment "hurts (Sec. Clinton's) feelings."

"He invited her. They’re acquaintances. This is long, long established," she said. "It hurt her feelings, I’m sure, to hear him suggest that he didn’t actually want her there for her company."

Well, the guy with the money is under the impression it bought him access to power and thus preferential treatment, but Hillary thought there was a friendship -- a long lasting one, because he's given her campaigns thousands, and is a large Clinton Foundation donor. So what's a little racism and misogyny compared to friendship and cash deposits? It's not like anyone thinks there is a "perception of problems" with large donors using their money to influence politicians in bad policy, right?

Seriously, if Donald Trump is good enough for Hillary Clinton's friendship and emotional support at a wedding, maybe we need to stop demonizing him. That's not going to be easy, but unless he suddenly had a lobotomy, he has undoubtedly held some crazy views for a long time, and the Clintons were able to look past it, so I guess we should, too.

Okay. Now that we've got that one out of the way, what about Rupert Murdoch? Yes, he started FOX News (aka "FAUX News&quot and we all know about that "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" that is hell bent on destroying America, but really, aren't we just being MEAN? After all, they are REALLY more "Clinton Friends" who have contributed to the many benevolent and charitable works of the Clinton Foundation --

The Fox News Connection To Clinton Foundation Donations That Chris Wallace Forgot, Media Matters, May 17, 2015
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/05/17/the-fox-news-connection-to-clinton-foundation-d/203674

But the non-profit arm of Fox News' then-parent company donated to the Clinton Foundation. The News Corp. Foundation, the charitable arm of Rupert Murdoch's News Corp., which at the time was the parent company of Fox News, donated between $500,001 to $1,000,000 to the foundation. James R. Murdoch, the co-chief operating officer of Fox News' current parent company, 21st Century Fox, and son of Rupert Murdoch, donated between $1,000,001 to $5,000,000.

Chump change! And it's not like there are any OTHER good charitable foundations out there doing good works these folks could have donated to -- it was about the relationships of trust everyone had built.

And once you understand that FOX News is totally cool with the Clintons, it makes it easier to understand that NewsMax has really been misunderstood by the people on this site, too. Those good people aren't just spreading lies, innuendos and misinformation - they spread cash, too!

https://www.clintonfoundation.org/contributors?category=%241%2C000%2C001%20to%20%245%2C000%2C000&page=1

Right there below James Murdoch is "NewsMax Media" -- they've donated between $1 million and $5 million. And people who do charity like that -- how can we say mean things like how untrustworthy and dishonest their efforts are?

So we've now determined that Trump isn't really so bad, and FOX News and NewsMax aren't either. I mean, if they were horrible people (like criminals or nasty or had bad reputations or something) the people heading the Foundation would have rejected the funds the way good people do.

Now, this next one is a tough one, but it is time to accept that President George W. Bush Jr. maybe WASN'T an incompetent president and war criminal who won the 2000 election through election fraud. I won't lie -- that is a difficult pill to swallow for me, but apparently Hillary and Bill have long since moved on and have a positive relationship with him, so maybe it's time the rest of us got over it, too? Bill and George even started a Charitable Foundation together in 2010 (disbanded in 2012) --

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_Bush_Haiti_Fund

The Clinton Bush Haiti fund raised $54.4 million from more than 2,000,000 individuals, businesses, and organizations. It dispersed funds to more than 50 organizations through grants, loans, and equity investments. As of December 2012, the Fund estimated that its programs sustained or created 7,350 jobs, trained 20,050 individuals, and had an additional positive impact on the conditions of more than 311,000 Haitians.

In a country where teachers make "good money" at $35 a week/regular people make $2 a day, $54M in two years probably uplifted the whole country, right? (Don't google current conditions because you'll get depressed, and adding "corruption" to any "Clinton Haiti" search is not good for the blood pressure.)

After all the hard work helping Haiti, plus Hillary being so supportive of the Bush Jr. Agenda while she was in Congress, how can one question the friendship?



Yes, HILLARY CLINTON has moved on from any actual dislike of Republican leadership and money (do we even have to look up the voter registration rolls of the Wall Street people she gave her little "talks" to?), so I can only believe it is time for the members of THIS BOARD to follow her example. The woman is a Democrat, for heaven's sake -- she bravely served on the Board of Walmart while they actively busted unionization efforts, opposed marriage equality efforts until it was the law of the land, and is open to discussing constitutional restrictions on abortion -- and as leader of our party, we need to do what she has done:

Embrace all things Republican.

It's the only way to save America!

I just hope a jury understands I am not promoting these things -- it looks like TOS to me, but if Hillary says it's okay....

[Buzz Clik]

1. This was posted verbatim yesterday. Is there a reason to post it again today?

rhetorical question.... but I'm sure you can't resist...

[artislife]

8. I didn't see it, so I am glad it was reposted.

Lots of good points to ponder.

[Cheese Sandwich]

41. Me too.

So glad this was posted. Thanks OP!

[onehandle]

11. The end is nigh, so they are ramping up.

Dunno what people who post attacks on Hillary and little else are going to do here when the rules 'change.'

Oh, wait... I know. Talk about Bill Clinton's dick and other right-wing fetishes/memes.

And the Admins will let them.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. I don't like Dubya but he is neither racist nor misogynistic.

As for the wedding it was a media event. I believe Shaq was there. I doubt he is a misogynist or racist.

I wasn't going to respond because the hate here is so thick and you get contaminated with it just by being exposed to it but I post for my friends.

[Bluenorthwest]

21. I agree with Kanye on GW Bush. He's a racist and a misogynist, misogyny is an aspect of

homophobia and Bush is a raging homophobe. Shaq, he's a sports figure but a far better man than W.

[Katashi_itto]

26. It's worth repeating.

[TheBlackAdder]

39. Guys, I'm a Dem Poli-Sci Uncommitted. I come down on stupidity, as a lot of HRC folks know, but...

.


This is really a fucking stupid talking point that needs to be put to bed!


It shows absolutely NO NUANCED THOUGHT!



(Note: The HRC folks get more of the attention because they seem to post the lion's share of bullshit!)


.

[stonecutter357]

53. just look at the trash she hangs around with.

https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M0e921b7276f239a7fb0c2c96d852715bo0&pid=15.1

[Duckhunter935]

55. I missed it, glad it was reposted

[Ferd Berfel]

2. I avoid socalizing with them

but I DO have to work with the bastards on a daily basis.
It's very tiring.

[apnu]

3. Weak. (nt)

[BootinUp]

4. Too bad this kind of brain dead tactic can't win the primary. nt

[grossproffit]

18. The BS campaign has successfully done one thing. Energized HRC supporters to get out and vote.

[SidDithers]

5. 1665 to 1370...

Hillary won. Bernie lost.

Accept it.

Sid

[randr]

10. Even if Hillary wins the nomination and the election

she will still be held accountable for her actions.
Accept it.

[d_r]

6. I know politics bore you but

I feel like a hypocrite talking to you and your racist friend.

[ghostsinthemachine]

7. If I didn't, I'd have no friends

I live in the suburbs and that's all there is. Not all, but half of the people, men and women, fit that description. We only talk politics in broad terms.
60 year old people are hard to change. Some were very liberal once upon a time, but then they slipped into their lives and their brains froze in time.

[Tarc]

9. Must be the 10th time I've seen this exact post in GDP in the last month

I know Sanders progressives love recycling, but this is ridiculous...

[NCTraveler]

12. Are their mysoginists, racists, and bigots at some social events I have fun at? Yes.

Additionally, I do have fun socializing here.

[PJMcK]

13. Politics has always brought strange bedfellows

Not only do the worlds of politics, money and celebrity overlap and inter-mingle many different people, but odd and sometimes seemingly unbelievable, relationships develop. As just one example, James Carville is married to Mary Matalin. Additionally, the time period where the Clintons and Donald Trump became closely acquainted was long before they were political rivals. And the wealth of the people in those circles were among the sources of funding for the Clinton Foundation.

Your point of view is clear and you've articulated it. However, perhaps you could look at the relationships that Secretary Clinton has had to develop given her various positions over the course the her public life and put them in the context of their respective time-frames. That said, I have no doubt that if they are their party's nominees, we'll see a battle royale between Mr. Trump and Secretary Clinton.

[grossproffit]

17. Wow. FFS

[PeaceNikki]

22. True story: I just got off of the treadmill and my playlist is still going

Honest to Jeebus, "Crazy Train" started just as I read the post to which you responded.

Lol

[Hav]

24. Hide number 10

April was a difficult month, I suppose.

[cwydro]

40. Apparently so.

There are certain posters here that really have taken advantage of the no-time-out TEMPORARY policy.

I feel certain that the admins are paying attention.

[Betty Karlson]

16. K&R for total truth!

[Scuba]

19. They vacation with Henry Kissinger. Obviously, there is no bottom for the Clintons.

[closeupready]

48. +1.

[Spacedog1973]

20. A proportion of DU are racists

In fact, a proportion of America is racist. Its almost impossible to avoid racists in daily discourse. Its privilege that assumes that people have a choice in whom they associate with. Many don't. In fact, most don't. Certainly politicians din';t and its their business to associate with everyone to get what they want for their constituents.

Think of it like a black man having a racist white boss. He doesn't like the boss but he pays the salary which helps his child go to school, his wife study and for him to pay utility bills. This is the reality of America. There are too many racists in powerful positions to naively avoid them all.

Its not really whom you associate with, but what you do as an individual that identifies you as a racist. There is no one on this board who has not associated with a racist knowingly or unknowingly. This is completely tiresome, this repeated mantra of white people trying to score points using racism against primarily other white people.

Who are you trying to convince? POC see right through this shit, which does you more harm than if you kept your mouth completely shut.

[BootinUp]

25. + 1

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. Preach... I have dealt with many anti-semites.

But the difference between an anti-semite and a racist is an anti-semite will talk shit to your face because he doesn't know you are Jewish.

Your whole life is a sociological experiment.

[wyldwolf]

30. Like the ones on DU who tried to downplay Hillary's primary wins in states with large AA population?

Yep, it seems I 'socialize' with them daily.

[Haveadream]

35. Thank you!

Well said

[Agschmid]

42. Yup.

And transphobic, and homophobic, etc.

[closeupready]

50. Correct. Thanks.

[bettyellen]

57. Damned straight. Faux concern about racism/ misogyny is not hard to spot at all.

And all too common here. I see right through this shit too.

[CentralCoaster]

23. Ida, they are different sides of the same coin in more ways than one.

It gets harder and harder to objectively tell the different.

So sad, we have SO lost our way.

[Kip Humphrey]

27. Hillary = bad judgment.

Hillary's insatiable need for everyone to like her blinds her to reality and the real reasons people in power act as they do - a leading cause of her poor judgment.

[rock]

29. If you don't get politics, you won't understand

But I'm an idiot, let me try!

"Hold your friends close, your enemies closer." Get it? That bottom picture is one of my favorites as it illustrates the concept so cleanly. I never tire of admiring her.

Another way to look at this is who does Hillary hate? (Other than Monica of course.) We don't know because she tries to never show hate to anyone. (Admittedly she got a little testy with Senator Sanders when he called her "unqualified" just before he took it back.). This is one big reason she has so many followers (and, of course, her detractors hate her for this. Ironic.). She is the best diplomat going.

Of course, you may well disagree with most or all of what I say, but that is what I mean when I quote Dr. Evil, "You just don't get it do you, Scott". (Which is rather ironic itself, since it was Dr. Evil who didn't get it!)

Sorry if I'm so rough on you but you are displaying pictures and mentioning situations that make my points not yours.

Nevertheless

[wyldwolf]

32. right. People who put stock in the OP are the ones on the political sidelines. Year after year.

[Fla Dem]

47. Has posted a series of OP's that could be taken right from a RW play book.

The problem is they are all twisted smears to fit their narratives.

[kgnu_fan]

31. dirty link

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

33. In all fairness...

...there is a photo of me out there somewhere, taken at my wedding, with my drunken ne'er-do-well cousin.

Does not mean I have any respect for him.

It's just a photo at a wedding.


People are polite at weddings.

People invite people to weddings.

People show up to weddings.

[emulatorloo]

34. Yeah, a couple of my southern relatives are racist. Doesn't mean I'm one.

CompanyFirstSeargeant has a good point.

I associate/socialize with my wife's co-workers. Not all of them are liberal democrats. Some of them are Rebulicans. Does that mean I share their views? No.

Guilt by association arguments are not really convincing once you start thinking about it.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

36. I post on DU for fun.

There's quite a few misogynists and racists here.

[Agschmid]

43. Yup.

[seabeyond]

37. Where as I call it in social gatherings and brings me a world of hurt. Not seeing a lot of

people doing that. How about you Ida, when in a social environment and there is a comment made. Are you one of the silent ones?

Mostly people stay quiet. Even those that are bothered or offended stay quiet. Mostly. I know this because even when I call it, I am the one to uncomfortably sit their hanging. When I call it respectfully, nicely, but simply call it, I am the bad guy. That takes courage to put myself in that position.

How many times have you heard a racist or sexist slur and stayed quiet?

That makes any one that sits in silence, for what they consider the greater good, no different than any politician.

It has to do with social interaction that I fail miserably at, that most people are not willing to do.

[Doctor_J]

38. Reading this thread, I see that it's now OK that Hillary is friends with Trump, the Bush

family, and Kissinger. And Charles Koch endorses her.

good God Almighty, what would she have to do to lose their votes?

[Dem2]

44. Insta-trash

How many times do I have to see this same post here?

[AzDar]

45. One is judged by the company one keeps, no?

[VulgarPoet]

49. That's how I was brought up.

[LanternWaste]

51. When convenient, yes.

When convenient, yes.

[qdouble]

46. Two people taking a photo together at a party means best friends for life

on DU apparently

[LanternWaste]

52. I attend the weddings of many co-workers regardless of whether I like them or not.

I attend the weddings of many co-workers regardless of whether I like them or not. It's an unwritten part and parcel of the position I'm in, as it's civil and attendance illustrates nothing about who I am-- though no doubt, an irrational, youthful or undisciplined mind may wish it to be so hard, they believe it as such.

[NewImproved Deal]

54. Choose the Lesser Oligarch...

[link:|

[bettyellen]

56. For fun? Nope. Out of family or work obligation- hell yes. Everyone of us had or they are lying.

You're starting to believe this purity bullshit.