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Ron Green

(9,822 posts)
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 07:59 PM Apr 2016

Hillary was always the plan.

Any reasonable person will agree that she is the favorite of the media, almost all elected Democrats, big business, the MIC, many women's groups, traditional minority coalitions and almost anyone whose situation is comfortable but who's not religiously insane or hopelessly misogynistic.

Bernie Sanders is dangerous to the bought system, and is calling for what would be a painful and frightening change into a resilient and sustainable economy. He was easily ignored for months, and then easily marginalized or demonized by that same bought system.

Donald Trump has successfully peeled off most of the "government is broken" sentiment on the Republican side, a considerable number that's apparently brought him the nomination or destruction of the GOP or both. This media-savvy campaign destroyed an entire clown car and kept the pundits happy not to have to delve into real issues; this allowed them to do the same thing on the Democratic side, keeping Clinton as the default candidate with "the math," and Sanders as the asterisk.

Trump has therefore brought us Hillary Clinton. Without his wall-to-wall coverage and "breath of fresh air," how many disaffected voters might have found their way elsewhere? How much more airtime might the Democratic race have gotten six, seven, eight months ago?



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Hillary was always the plan. (Original Post) Ron Green Apr 2016 OP
I stopped reading at "favorite of the media". DURHAM D Apr 2016 #1
Lost me there too! Lucinda Apr 2016 #7
Same here workinclasszero Apr 2016 #21
That's exactly when I stopped too. Firebrand Gary Apr 2016 #26
The media hates Hillary. athena Apr 2016 #33
She also killed Abe Lincoln and shot Bambi :rolleyes: uponit7771 Apr 2016 #2
Hillary hates free ponies! grossproffit Apr 2016 #3
LOL @ thinking Hillary is a media favorite. JaneyVee Apr 2016 #4
Trump says PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #5
excellent analysis warrprayer Apr 2016 #6
Thanks for actually reading it. Ron Green Apr 2016 #8
Clinton was elected and preferred by the voters. seabeyond Apr 2016 #9
Yes, quite a few of them. Ron Green Apr 2016 #10
More condescension. I am a free thinking, educated Democrat redstateblues Apr 2016 #12
People preferred Clintons policies to Sanders. seabeyond Apr 2016 #17
So was Snooki and Kim Kardashian. It doesn't make them smart or anything. CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #13
Says even more about a man that cannot compete. seabeyond Apr 2016 #18
Always the plan RobertEarl Apr 2016 #11
Perpetual victimhood redstateblues Apr 2016 #14
Of course she is their favorite including the media (wow that is true) because they are all in it bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #15
The fix is in for Clinton Depaysement Apr 2016 #16
Keen observations and intelligent analysis. TowneshipRebellion Apr 2016 #19
Of course, she was the plan. Otherwise sadoldgirl Apr 2016 #20
Yep. The Princeton study was dead on. We the people have almost no say in how the country Doctor_J Apr 2016 #22
It took regular Dem voters to allow it, though, and thereby approve of their own pillaging. JimDandy Apr 2016 #27
Propaganda works nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #32
Apparently on some people it does. JimDandy Apr 2016 #34
She was the plan in '08 too Dem2 Apr 2016 #23
'08 was another universe, too. Ron Green Apr 2016 #24
Yes, perhaps... Dem2 Apr 2016 #25
There was a period of time where the percent of delegates needed morningfog Apr 2016 #28
With or without Trump, Bernie was never going to get fair media coverage. snot Apr 2016 #29
That's a very interesting assertion. Ron Green Apr 2016 #30
Astute and barnays would be proud nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #31

Firebrand Gary

(5,044 posts)
26. That's exactly when I stopped too.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:24 PM
Apr 2016

A statement that is not only a complete lie, it's pathetic as well.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
4. LOL @ thinking Hillary is a media favorite.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:01 PM
Apr 2016

Where u been for the past 25 years?

OTOH, Bernie was treated with kid gloves by the media.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
5. Trump says
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:02 PM
Apr 2016

#ImWithHer

He has been an obvious member of team Hillary since the beginning.

Edit- the question is, if it comes out that Trump entered the race to help Hillary, is it high treason?

Ron Green

(9,822 posts)
10. Yes, quite a few of them.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:09 PM
Apr 2016

So was Bush. My point is that elections are influenced by some very big forces that just a few people control.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
12. More condescension. I am a free thinking, educated Democrat
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:15 PM
Apr 2016

Who voted for the person I consider to be the best candidate. I'm tired of posters here telling me I've been duped.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
11. Always the plan
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:13 PM
Apr 2016

She has done well delivering ponies to her paymasters. They are riding high.

Look, if Bernie was treated fairly, he might have won. If Bernie won, there wouldn't be enough ponies to go around. If there were not enough ponies to go around some of the rich wouldn't get a pony.

America must take care of the rich. They have health care and education, and police on their side. When is the last time you heard of a rich person getting shot by a cop? Somebody has to get ponies and so let the rich have them and maybe they will trickle down on us from their high horse?

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
15. Of course she is their favorite including the media (wow that is true) because they are all in it
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:30 PM
Apr 2016

together...the corporate/bankster/Wall Street gang.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
20. Of course, she was the plan. Otherwise
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:20 PM
Apr 2016

we would have seen and heard far more competing
Democrats in this race.And look what happened to
poor O'Malley. In every debate he took part in, they
gave him the shortest time.

I really would have liked to him and Bernie as the
competing candidates, because O'Malley had some
very good proposals.

Once the Clinton machine kicked in, most people
did not want to confront them.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
22. Yep. The Princeton study was dead on. We the people have almost no say in how the country
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:46 PM
Apr 2016

is run. The media, military, wall street, and the giant transnationals always get their way. Hillary's nomination has assured that their pillaging of the 99% will continue unabated.

As an example, right now, even though I have a job and a health insurance plan through my company, I am having to save up to get some minor surgery. I am wondering how much of my life saving and retirement money these bloodsuckers will take from me before I die. I am pretty sure that Hillary and Ryan will implement some significant cuts to Medicare very soon, too.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
27. It took regular Dem voters to allow it, though, and thereby approve of their own pillaging.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:30 PM
Apr 2016

The whole thing is mind boggling and bizarre. I can hardly wait until after the GE to remind them of that...often.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
23. She was the plan in '08 too
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:53 PM
Apr 2016

She was never "inevitable", it's more as you said, Bernie was new and exciting, he owns reddit, FB tumblr etc., but he could not figure out how to push the more traditional Hillary and media favorite Trump off the screen.

Ron Green

(9,822 posts)
24. '08 was another universe, too.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:15 PM
Apr 2016

Occupy Wall Street had not happened, nor the particular malfeasance that brought it about. The time was right for Obama then, and just as one part of me feels betrayed by his corporate-friendliness, the other part admires his acumen and character.

This cycle is completely different; the cat's out of the bag on income inequality, climate, and other big issues, including the media's entertainment/politics continuum.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
25. Yes, perhaps...
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:21 PM
Apr 2016

The country as a whole often lags behind the popular mood, like turning around an aircraft carrier as they say.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
28. There was a period of time where the percent of delegates needed
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:32 PM
Apr 2016

by Bernie of the remaining democratic pledged delegates was less than the percent needed by trump of the remaining republican pledged delegates. By a lot and for a while.

Obviously, the numbers are not purely comparable (two way race v multi persons race and winner take all in some states v all proportional allocation) but due to the framing of the respective races, no one even considered or noticed that.

Ron Green

(9,822 posts)
30. That's a very interesting assertion.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:50 PM
Apr 2016

I wonder how, without the Trump circus, the Dem race would have played on TV. The Clown Car by itself may have been able to sustain media hegemony, but my sense is that without Trump vs. everybody else, there would have been a story on the other side, if only a lesser one.

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