Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:33 PM Apr 2016

Women, African Americans and Latinos...

will ensure Hillary Clinton wins in November.

Why.. because Trump has repeatedly said things to anger and/or frighten all of them and they know Hillary understands and appreciates their issues.

123 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Women, African Americans and Latinos... (Original Post) DCBob Apr 2016 OP
I have to agree. bigwillq Apr 2016 #1
I dont see how Trump turns this around. DCBob Apr 2016 #8
His campaign recently announced that he was just playing a role to get the voters' attention ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #32
And some so desperately want to believe him, will do so. Sheepshank Apr 2016 #65
Its always a mistake to underestimate The Donald aikoaiko Apr 2016 #57
Speaking for over half the country now? Dawgs Apr 2016 #2
Do you disagree that Trump's own words prove he's both sufrommich Apr 2016 #4
Nope. Don't disagree. Dawgs Apr 2016 #10
Correctamundo. TowneshipRebellion Apr 2016 #37
Half the country has already spoken Tarc Apr 2016 #5
Um, ALL women and minorities ABSOLUTELY did not. Dawgs Apr 2016 #11
Why don't you try reading that sentence again Tarc Apr 2016 #24
We're talking about what the OP said, and it clearly says ALL. Dawgs Apr 2016 #51
So why are you calling the poster who didn't use "all" a liar? onenote Apr 2016 #80
More like ~10% have spoken Ash_F Apr 2016 #25
a black co-worker told me he will be voting for Trump "as long as he builds that wall" Tarc Apr 2016 #28
I hope so. Ash_F Apr 2016 #35
Like he's actually going to build that wall, much less in 5 months. Trump will lose spectacularly brush Apr 2016 #41
And GOP voters who aren't crazy, including lots of GOP women, I bet obamanut2012 Apr 2016 #122
Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #40
I think Trump might actually try it Ash_F Apr 2016 #44
Only because of the peculiarities of the Primary Elections, and the unfair and dirty-tricks Cal33 Apr 2016 #58
More of those people who have been "blocked" will vote for her Tarc Apr 2016 #70
Some numbers you may not know onenote Apr 2016 #84
You have doubts about that statement?? DCBob Apr 2016 #6
You don't have doubts that all women and minorities "KNOW THAT HILLARY UNDERSTANDS". Dawgs Apr 2016 #12
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #16
Seriously? You think that? n/t Dawgs Apr 2016 #17
If you are not a minority or a woman, why are you speaking? leftofcool Apr 2016 #31
Hmmm ... Good point. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #45
No one speaks for ALL women or minorities. Dawgs Apr 2016 #47
Again, as Talc pointed out ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #43
Wrong. "ALL of them and they know" n/t Dawgs Apr 2016 #48
I'm sure you read at a higher level than you are exhibiting ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #53
I was only ever talking about what was said in the OP. Dawgs Apr 2016 #55
Yes ... I missed that. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #60
as will people with common sense and good taste La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #3
Very true. DCBob Apr 2016 #7
It's going to take a lot more than just them. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #9
Maybe not.. DCBob Apr 2016 #13
Trump will not be easy to beat. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #20
If Trump's the nominee, Turin_C3PO Apr 2016 #21
More like 70% of the Female vote IMO nt firebrand80 Apr 2016 #23
Good luck with that. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #27
Obviously other folks will vote for Clinton, as well. Garrett78 Apr 2016 #14
President Obama managed to win without the white male vote. athena Apr 2016 #26
+1000 nolawarlock Apr 2016 #33
As I understand, no Democratic candidate has won the white vote since LBJ. Garrett78 Apr 2016 #38
I think you're right about the white male vote but women spooky3 Apr 2016 #90
Yes, but... Garrett78 Apr 2016 #94
Guess somehow you never heard of the Obama coalition? brush Apr 2016 #42
+1000 Haveadream Apr 2016 #89
The GOP said themselves that they needed to do better firebrand80 Apr 2016 #15
And sane people. JaneyVee Apr 2016 #18
Go for it. Jester Messiah Apr 2016 #19
The R's know it too Bobbie Jo Apr 2016 #22
You don't speak for me. TowneshipRebellion Apr 2016 #29
Assuming you are either Women, African Americans and/or Latino(a) ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #49
You don't get to frame the conversation like that. TowneshipRebellion Apr 2016 #52
Well ... That IS how the OP framed it. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #54
The OP framed it by saying that ALL woman, AA's, and Latinos trust Hillary. Dawgs Apr 2016 #56
Are you saying that that trump HASN'T said things that ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #61
You keep using "we" and "us" TowneshipRebellion Apr 2016 #63
Okay, let's get something out in the open ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #67
Are you suggesting that skin color, gender, or ethnicity TowneshipRebellion Apr 2016 #73
I thought so. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #81
That did not take long GulfCoast66 Apr 2016 #91
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #93
Not a chance GulfCoast66 Apr 2016 #96
Once again. TowneshipRebellion Apr 2016 #99
My race has already been stated a while ago TowneshipRebellion Apr 2016 #97
LOL ... Believe it or not, you are not high enough on my radar to have even noticed ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #104
If I am not high on your radar TowneshipRebellion Apr 2016 #108
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #112
Keep calling me a tom/confused negro TowneshipRebellion Apr 2016 #113
Tread carefully. TowneshipRebellion Apr 2016 #98
I responded to a thread that was already about race. GulfCoast66 Apr 2016 #109
How does post count factor into this? TowneshipRebellion Apr 2016 #114
African Americans aren't a monolith but most of them are supporting Hillary. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #116
NO!! I'm saying that the OP shouldn't speak for all woman, AA's, and minorities. Dawgs Apr 2016 #66
Thank you. TowneshipRebellion Apr 2016 #74
1. Clinton said she was open to constitutional restrictions on abortion. Ash_F Apr 2016 #30
I hate to tell you but BLM is not all of a minority leftofcool Apr 2016 #34
This is GDP? Ash_F Apr 2016 #36
Or, at a minimum ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #50
Why does she not understand Native Americans? Ash_F Apr 2016 #59
I have no idea ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #62
You can see what I claim by using google Ash_F Apr 2016 #68
A campaign ad is not supportive of your claim. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #75
I have personal experience picketing with the Immokalee workers as they fight for a penny per pound Ash_F Apr 2016 #76
Why the United Farm Workers Are Not Feeling the Bern Haveadream Apr 2016 #88
I have not worked with UFW but appreciate the links. Ash_F Apr 2016 #101
no problem Haveadream Apr 2016 #106
PS - What is your opinion on her interactions with BLM? Ash_F Apr 2016 #69
My opinion on ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #77
It is a major cause of incarceration though. Ash_F Apr 2016 #78
Since you are so concerned, perhaps you should check the Black incarceration rate ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #79
Maybe that's why he ran for president? Ash_F Apr 2016 #83
Incorrect Haveadream Apr 2016 #92
Read her website, which 1SBM helpfully linked Ash_F Apr 2016 #100
She pledged to ban private prisons months ago Haveadream Apr 2016 #105
'End' is not the same as ban. Ash_F Apr 2016 #107
The article stated that she plans to "ban" Haveadream Apr 2016 #110
I don't think we can hold a candidate accountable for what their spokesperson says. Ash_F Apr 2016 #115
I agree, specific plans make a candidate more accountable Haveadream Apr 2016 #123
PS - As for the picture, if you know what someone has done, you have an idea of what they will do Ash_F Apr 2016 #85
Okay. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #86
This woman Svafa Apr 2016 #39
Trump is good at alienating groups Gothmog Apr 2016 #46
I think a lot of us were on board before Trump too. :) Starry Messenger Apr 2016 #64
Hillary is going to kick his ass workinclasszero Apr 2016 #71
In other words, the voters we always rely on to win the presidency Nonhlanhla Apr 2016 #72
I've read that no Democratic candidate since LBJ... Garrett78 Apr 2016 #82
Exactly. Nonhlanhla Apr 2016 #87
As I pointed out more than a month ago... Garrett78 Apr 2016 #95
You got that right. We're gonna put HRC in the WH and give her a DEM controlled underthematrix Apr 2016 #102
Yes, we will be motivated to get out and vote treestar Apr 2016 #103
And Democrats, and a very sizable number of independents, and even a few Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #111
White Male here. I will be helping too. apnu Apr 2016 #117
I really thought no way in hell can Reagan win, also thought W couldn't B Calm Apr 2016 #118
Dubya stole it at least once forjusticethunders Apr 2016 #119
Good luck with that. LWolf Apr 2016 #120
Agreed -- and, I include GOP women in that, too obamanut2012 Apr 2016 #121
 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
1. I have to agree.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:35 PM
Apr 2016

Trump needs to win major numbers in the major cities to win the WH and I don't see that happening.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
8. I dont see how Trump turns this around.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:40 PM
Apr 2016

He keeps saying things to piss people off. I think he cant help it.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
32. His campaign recently announced that he was just playing a role to get the voters' attention ...
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:34 PM
Apr 2016

He didn't mean any of it.

aikoaiko

(34,172 posts)
57. Its always a mistake to underestimate The Donald
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:47 PM
Apr 2016

He is going to move to the center, change rhetoric, and, for some reason, his words do not stick to him like most politicians.

Still I'd like to think that a Democrat recently found with a dead hooker could beat him by 20 points.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
4. Do you disagree that Trump's own words prove he's both
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:38 PM
Apr 2016

sexist and racist? Do you think the majority of women and minorities aren't going to have a problem with that?

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
10. Nope. Don't disagree.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:47 PM
Apr 2016

But, "they know Hillary understands and appreciates their issues" is absolutely speaking for more than half the country. The OP implied all, not "the majority".

 
37. Correctamundo.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:37 PM
Apr 2016

All it would take is a massive coordinated terrorist attack where the perpetrators entered in from the mexican border, defeated our immigration protocols and were able to execute their plans. This event would make Trump look prescient. Clinton's immigration policy would then backfire and she could be framed as part of the problem. You pain these groups as scared of a xenophobe like Trump but the American people in general are easy to spook. When we freak out, we tend to move to the right.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
5. Half the country has already spoken
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:38 PM
Apr 2016

and they spoke up more for her than for either Trump or Sanders.

So, yes.

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
11. Um, ALL women and minorities ABSOLUTELY did not.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:48 PM
Apr 2016

Many voted for Trump or Sanders.

Now, quit lying.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
24. Why don't you try reading that sentence again
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:29 PM
Apr 2016
...and they spoke up more for her than for either Trump or Sanders...


and tell the class where the word "all" appears?
 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
51. We're talking about what the OP said, and it clearly says ALL.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:16 PM
Apr 2016

"Trump has repeatedly said things to anger and/or frighten ALL of them and they know Hillary understands"

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
25. More like ~10% have spoken
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:30 PM
Apr 2016

~30% of voters are Dems

About 70% of the primaries have happened.

Of those She had a little less than 60% of the vote.

A few weeks ago a black co-worker told me he will be voting for Trump "as long as he builds that wall"

A lot can happen in the 5 months between June and November. I would not put the cart before the horse.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
28. a black co-worker told me he will be voting for Trump "as long as he builds that wall"
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:32 PM
Apr 2016

All that proves is that a single black person you know is rather prejudiced (in your co-worker's case, against Mexicans).

Your co-worker is also an extreme outlier, analogous to a Log Cabin Republican.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
35. I hope so.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:36 PM
Apr 2016

It is a long road to the general.

Look out much the Dem primary changed in just 5-6 months. Sanders polled at <10% at the start and has about a little over 40% of the popular vote right now.

brush

(53,787 posts)
41. Like he's actually going to build that wall, much less in 5 months. Trump will lose spectacularly
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:44 PM
Apr 2016

The Obama coalition, African Americans, sensible progressive whites, Native Americans, Latino Americans, Asian Americans, gays and women who Trump has insulted regularly, will elect Hillary just as it elected Obama twice.

We outnumber the angry whites who support Trump.

Romney got a huge majority of the white vote (minus progressive whites) in 2012 and still lost handily to Obama, as did McCain.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
40. Well ...
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:44 PM
Apr 2016
A few weeks ago a black co-worker told me he will be voting for Trump "as long as he builds that wall"


I hope you told the Black guy that trump, if elected, won't "build the wall" between the U.S.' 3rd biggest trade partner. It's just a campaign slogan.

That would have been helpful.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
44. I think Trump might actually try it
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:48 PM
Apr 2016

Huge taxpayer boondoggle. Billions for his construction buddies. If congress would throw trillions away in Iraq then they likely would go along with him on this one.

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
58. Only because of the peculiarities of the Primary Elections, and the unfair and dirty-tricks
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:48 PM
Apr 2016

help she received from the Establishment people.

Hillary will be more vulnerable during the General Elections, when more of the
people who have been blocked out from the Primary Elections will be voting.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
70. More of those people who have been "blocked" will vote for her
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 05:36 PM
Apr 2016

as opposed to a racist Republican.

Don't kid yourself into thinking that Bernie's DU contingent is representative of the national mindset.

onenote

(42,714 posts)
84. Some numbers you may not know
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 06:56 PM
Apr 2016

13 open primaries to date.

Clinton: 5.5 million votes
Sanders: 3.95 million votes

I was one of those open primary voters for Bernie, but as I've said throughout this process, it was always going to be an uphill battle for Bernie to get the nomination and at this point I don't see it happening. And as I've also said throughout this process, I will do everything I can to ensure that a republican doesn't end up in the WH if Clinton is the nominee, including not just voting for her but contributing to her campaign financially (just as I previously contributed to Sanders' campaign).

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
12. You don't have doubts that all women and minorities "KNOW THAT HILLARY UNDERSTANDS".
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:49 PM
Apr 2016

Only a fool would.

Response to Dawgs (Reply #12)

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
47. No one speaks for ALL women or minorities.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:11 PM
Apr 2016

And, I know many women that don't think she has their back.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
53. I'm sure you read at a higher level than you are exhibiting ...
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:38 PM
Apr 2016

Here is the entire sentence:

Why.. because Trump has repeatedly said things to anger and/or frighten all of them and they know Hillary understands and appreciates their issues.


Try again.
 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
55. I was only ever talking about what was said in the OP.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:44 PM
Apr 2016

I assume the response you're referring to was doing the same. Did you miss the 'so yes' in their response.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
3. as will people with common sense and good taste
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:37 PM
Apr 2016


but yeah she is going to KILL with those particular demographic groups

(also asians, the lgbt, jewish people)

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
13. Maybe not..
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:52 PM
Apr 2016

Obama beat Romney with 55% women vote, 93% of the black vote, 71% of the Latino vote, and 39% of the white vote.

I suspect Hillary gets about 60% of the women vote, 95% of the black vote, and 80% of the Latino vote. That should be more than enough to make up any deficit she will have among white voters. Likely a landslide of epic proportions.

Trump will be easy to beat.



TheCowsCameHome

(40,168 posts)
20. Trump will not be easy to beat.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:16 PM
Apr 2016

Don't rest on your laurels just yet.

That could be a fatal mistake.

Take NOTHING for granted.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
14. Obviously other folks will vote for Clinton, as well.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:52 PM
Apr 2016

But it's not like Clinton needs to win a majority of white males in order to win in an electoral college landslide. The demographic breakdown will probably be similar to what it was in 2012: http://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-2012/

Clinton may do even better among POC, and will likely do better among women.

athena

(4,187 posts)
26. President Obama managed to win without the white male vote.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:30 PM
Apr 2016

The days when white men had complete control over the country are long gone. Thank goodness.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
94. Yes, but...
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:05 PM
Apr 2016

...it's my understanding that no Democratic candidate has won the *overall* white vote since LBJ.

brush

(53,787 posts)
42. Guess somehow you never heard of the Obama coalition?
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:46 PM
Apr 2016

African Americans, sensible progressive whites, Native Americans, Latino Americans, Asian Americans, gays, women — we elected Obama twice and will elect Hillary.

We outnumber the angry whites who support Trump.

firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
15. The GOP said themselves that they needed to do better
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:52 PM
Apr 2016

with these groups to have any shot at the White House.

Somehow they nominated a candidate that will do worse.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
49. Assuming you are either Women, African Americans and/or Latino(a) ...
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:13 PM
Apr 2016

you are NOT going to work to prevent a trump presidency?

That's curious.

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
56. The OP framed it by saying that ALL woman, AA's, and Latinos trust Hillary.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:46 PM
Apr 2016

"Trump has repeatedly said things to anger and/or frighten all of them and they know Hillary understands"

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
61. Are you saying that that trump HASN'T said things that ...
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:15 PM
Apr 2016

haven't angered and/or frightened all woman, AA's, and Latinos, even if not to a point that some will still vote for him? Or, that Black support is based in a "trust" of ANY politician?

If that is the case, you know little about the Black electorate and how we making voting decisions.

 
63. You keep using "we" and "us"
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:23 PM
Apr 2016

with some kind of authority but there is no "we" or "us." You have your positions and I have mine. The arguments that you are making might work in your community but they will not work on me so perhaps you should find another argumentation strategy. Drumpf's words do not frighten me. Candidates that say one thing and will do another frighten me. Candidates that hold $300k/plate fundraisers and take millions from the vultures on wall street frighten me. Endless wars against radical ideologies frighten me. Regime change operations in distant lands for the sake of international business frightens me. Drumpf's stump speeches do not frighten me.

 
73. Are you suggesting that skin color, gender, or ethnicity
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 05:57 PM
Apr 2016

are a factor in one's ability to call out out a fallacious argument when they see one? Try again.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
91. That did not take long
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 07:54 PM
Apr 2016

I am a southern middle-class white male and don't really call myself a progressive but will be voting for Hillary. You figured him out faster than I did. Middle-class white folks have a lot less to lose with a Trump presidency the people of color, women, LGBT or other marginalized groups. When I try to explain this to friends of mine they get a silly blank look on their face. But there are a few lifelong Republicans I know that will not be voting for Trump. They won't vote for Hillary, but not voting for Trump is voting for Hillary. Unfortunately, I also know some who have moved so right wing I know longer talk with them.

And please do not assume that every middle-aged white man in the south driving a big truck with fish stickers is a right winger😄

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
93. LOL ...
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:02 PM
Apr 2016
And please do not assume that every middle-aged white man in the south driving a big truck with fish stickers is a right winger😄


I don't ... Just the ones with the confederate flags.

But watch ... that poster will come back claiming to be a Muslim-convert, Bi-racial (Black/white), trans-gendered woman, that is attracted to women ... even has a Latina lover.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
96. Not a chance
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:28 PM
Apr 2016

You did too good a job of leading him by the nose to a total self reveal. The only thing we may see now is a Parthian retreat with insults.

 
99. Once again.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:02 PM
Apr 2016

Keep making my race the subject of your discussion with this man that does NOT speak for me and we are going to have a problem. You are probably already in violation of TOS. Stop it now.

 
97. My race has already been stated a while ago
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:59 PM
Apr 2016

but it has nothing to do with my thought process. What you are doing right now is against TOS and can get you Tombstoned. Tread carefully.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
104. LOL ... Believe it or not, you are not high enough on my radar to have even noticed ...
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:34 PM
Apr 2016

but that said ... ToS violation? LOL, as I quake in my boots.

 
108. If I am not high on your radar
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:55 PM
Apr 2016

then why have you replied to several of my comments?

Why are you bringing up my race in an effort to disrupt the conversation and discredit me? Why are you trying to crush alternate points of view? Why are you trying to make me fit in your box? Now go take a seat rookie...

Response to TowneshipRebellion (Reply #108)

 
98. Tread carefully.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:00 PM
Apr 2016

My race has nothing to do with my thought process. You are suggesting that I couldn't possibly be AA because I have a radical position but the underlying idea is that that X race must think like Y. You know who else carries these views? Stormfronters. Keep it up and we are going to have a problem.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
109. I responded to a thread that was already about race.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:58 PM
Apr 2016

Anyone can see that by reading the thread. And if I made incorrect assumptions about your race, or your motivations then I sincerely apologize. Not the wimpy 'if anyone was offended then I apologize' but I truly do.

And if you can truly claim that your thought process is not effected by your race then you are a better person than I. But I will never apologize for stating that a middle class white man does not have nearly as much at stake in this election as a woman, a person of color, the LGBT and other marginalized groups. And if a liberal, middle class white male decides out of a fit of anger to withhold a vote for the Democratic candidate then I have no problem saying that I believe that it is white privilege is in action.

Now as to your whole Stormfront insults and tombstone threats. I only have 78 posts. While I have been a little sarcastic in some of them I have not acted like an asshole. The fact that with your whopping 82 posts you can come like you own the place is astounding. And actually threaten 1StrongBlackMan who has 30K. And your whole "keep it up and we are going to have a problem" line. Like this is a bar fight.

I do not care what race you are, grow up and go pound sand.


 
114. How does post count factor into this?
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:46 AM
Apr 2016

ToS is ToS, right? So some people get to be bullies just because they have X number of posts? Please. I accept your apology because you were in the WRONG and you have seen the error of your presumption. You friend over here with 30k posts is now calling me a sellout in other words and action will be taken because I don't tolerate abuse from trashy people or anyone for that matter. Peace.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
116. African Americans aren't a monolith but most of them are supporting Hillary.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:23 AM
Apr 2016

Over 80% if you include all the African Americans that have already voted. As I said African Americans are not a monolith. No group is. My buddy, black, is a swimming instructor/lifeguard at a Orlando gym. We saw this black guy reading Courage and Consequence: My Life as a Conservative in the Fight by Karl Rove. I said it would be like a Jew reading Mein Kampf. My buddy said "c'mon, give the guy a break." I took that as folks should be allowed to think for themselves, even folks we disagree with. He also left open the possibility he was reading it for heuristic reasons. I read lots of books by people or about people I don't necessarily like but do find interesting.

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
66. NO!! I'm saying that the OP shouldn't speak for all woman, AA's, and minorities.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:28 PM
Apr 2016

And, this isn't about Trump. It's about someone claiming that all women and minority agree that Hillary understands. That is obviously not true.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
30. 1. Clinton said she was open to constitutional restrictions on abortion.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:33 PM
Apr 2016

2. She has been dismissive of BLM activists on video at least 3 times famously.

3. She is for a "fence" as opposed to Trump's wall.

She understands?

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
34. I hate to tell you but BLM is not all of a minority
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:36 PM
Apr 2016

As well, it is obvious by the vote of the people that she indeed understands. Take your anti-Hillary screeds to the Bernie Group.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
50. Or, at a minimum ...
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:16 PM
Apr 2016

the vote shows that Women, African Americans and Latinos/Latinas believe she understands them/us to the degree necessary to get our/their votes.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
59. Why does she not understand Native Americans?
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:01 PM
Apr 2016

Asian Americans? Arab Americans? Sanders won these.

She has been doing well in high population areas because media power(mainly television) is much stronger there than people power and even social media, for now.

My argument is there are other factors for why she won a majority of those groups. Correlation is not causation.

If Sanders made the 3 fumbles I listed instead of her, the spread would be wider.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
62. I have no idea ...
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:22 PM
Apr 2016

I am not Native American, Arab American, or Asian American.

And, I have not seen what you claim ... In fact, all of the polls I have seen doubt include such a break out because the samples were too small to assign statistical significance.

She has been doing well in high population areas because media power(mainly television) is much stronger there than people power and even social media, for now.


Come on ... you can't really believe that.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
68. You can see what I claim by using google
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:50 PM
Apr 2016

Also watch this video.



I had been organizing with this group on their Wendy's campaign for quite some time. I can't see Clinton doing this.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
76. I have personal experience picketing with the Immokalee workers as they fight for a penny per pound
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 06:17 PM
Apr 2016

...picked in the hot sun.


Meanwhile, in Haiti, Clinton successfully lobbied to stop textile workers from gaining a 31 cent raise to 62 cents per hour.

I have my reasons. I am curious about yours.

Haveadream

(1,630 posts)
88. Why the United Farm Workers Are Not Feeling the Bern
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 07:34 PM
Apr 2016





The United Farm Workers endorsed Hillary Clinton. Although they appreciate Senator Sander's contributions to the economic debate, they are are not feeling the bern because of his work against their chances for a path to immigration reform. They are also very concerned by his exploitation and willingness to put aside his professed aversion to the guest worker program as long as it benefits his home state of Vermont.


In 2007 The United Farm Workers WANTED the comprehensive immigration reform bill. But, according to Arturo Rodriguez, President of the United Farm Workers:

"We came close to winning comprehensive immigration reform when a bipartisan bill by Sens. Edward Kennedy and John McCain nearly passed the Senate in 2007. That measure, which would have granted legal status to millions of undocumented immigrants... would have let undocumented farm workers earn the right to permanently stay in this country.

If that proposal--which President George W. Bush pledged to sign -- had passed in 2007, would there still be 11 million undocumented immigrants living today in fear and constantly subjected to mistreatment? There would not be.Would Donald Trump and most Republican presidential candidates be appealing today to bigotry and rancor by scapegoating immigrants?

Sen. Sanders voted against the Kennedy-McCain bill and led the push for amendments that killed the measure because he opposed the conditions pushed by business interests for guest workers, he said during the Feb. 11 debate.



But Sen. Sanders' opposition to abusive guest worker programs didn't extend to a bill he cosponsored in 2011, to allow agricultural guest workers into his home state's largest farm sector -- Vermont's dairy industry... So the Sanders-backed measure could have let dairies replace all current domestic farm laborers with foreign guest workers -- with the same damaging impacts on wages and working conditions for both domestic and foreign guest workers Sen. Sanders decried in other industries."


Although Sen. Sanders opposes use of guest workers because of concerns over exploitation, why is he willing to make an exception for "guest workers in agriculture" in Vermont?



http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511403095








Dairy Work Has Soured for Vermont’s Migrant Workers







On the Ferrisburgh, Vermont dairy farm where he was responsible for breeding and milking the cows, Victor Diaz used to spend every night curled up in a broken-down camper beside a barn. During the two years of enduring rainwater dripping down on him and other migrant workers who shared the quarters, Diaz, who was born in Chiapas, Mexico, says he continuously asked his boss for better accommodations.


“With a couple of coworkers, we got together and we fought for something better,” Diaz recounts now. “We got a trailer.”

Unfortunately, he says, the new trailer was hardly an improvement: Sewage flowed out of the faucet, shower and washing machine. Still, according to Diaz, the farmer, Ray Brands, described it as a “mansion.”

“The sewage, the smell—I can’t put up with it any more,” Diaz says he told his boss. Rather than negotiate a solution, however, Diaz says that Brands “started insulting us in a number of ways. And he threatened us by saying there’s 50 workers behind you and they’ll take your jobs.”






http://inthesetimes.com/working/entry/16755/vermonts_migrant_dairy_workers




While Holt-Giménez's keynote at the UVM summit focused on the major structural forces that have given rise to what he calls a "capitalist food regime," the expert closed his remarks by reflecting on a visit he had taken the day before to a northern Vermont dairy farm that employs migrant workers.


"They're people who don't leave the farm for years. And I was so taken aback, and this great sadness set in my heart, and I still can't shake it," Holt-Giménez said.
"I've been thinking about this since I got here. It's like, I know these people, these are family people, these are people who have deep, rich, village life. But I've never seen such solitude amongst farm workers in my life."





http://digital.vpr.net/post/farm-labor-expert-reacts-vermont-migrant-workers-isolation#stream/0





Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
69. PS - What is your opinion on her interactions with BLM?
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:55 PM
Apr 2016

Do you think she should come out against the for profit prison system? What about Marijuana legalization?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
77. My opinion on ...
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 06:29 PM
Apr 2016
her interactions with BLM?


She was clumsy ... not as clumsy as Bernie's; but, clumsy, none the less.

Do you think she should come out against the for profit prison system?


She has ... https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/criminal-justice-reform/

What about Marijuana legalization?


Legalization of weed is way down the list of concerns among the African-American community.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
78. It is a major cause of incarceration though.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 06:40 PM
Apr 2016

She has not said she would support a bill to ban private contractors from prisons. Unlike Sanders who has proposed a bill.

Also her website said she is not taking money from them but her PACs are.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/marco-rubio-and-hillary-clinton-accepted_b_9191868.html

As for Sanders being clumsier, I can't imagine Clinton chaining herself to to a black woman for her right to an education.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
79. Since you are so concerned, perhaps you should check the Black incarceration rate ...
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 06:46 PM
Apr 2016

for the state he represents.

What has he done in the subsequent 50+ years, since that picture was taken?

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
83. Maybe that's why he ran for president?
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 06:54 PM
Apr 2016

I am mainly concerned with what I think the candidate's will do.

Clinton has not said she would support banning private prisons nor that she would she support drug decriminalization. And these are both positions that poll with the majority of Americans.

If she won't say it now even when it is very popular she probably won't work for it after the election.

Haveadream

(1,630 posts)
92. Incorrect
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 07:56 PM
Apr 2016

Clinton has not said she would support banning private prisons nor that she would she support drug decriminalization. And these are both positions that poll with the majority of Americans.



Hillary addressed this very issue as recently as her Town Hall which was televised this past week. She specifically said she wanted to eliminate for profit prisons and reduce penalties for many drug related offenses as well as improve support for those so incarcerated including rehab, education, job opportunities and ability to vote.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
100. Read her website, which 1SBM helpfully linked
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:20 PM
Apr 2016

Being against private prisons is not the same agreeing to a ban. Will she sign Sanders' bill?

Haveadream

(1,630 posts)
105. She pledged to ban private prisons months ago
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:37 PM
Apr 2016
WASHINGTON — Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton pledged Thursday to ban the use of private prison companies if elected president.......

“Hillary Clinton has said we must end the era of mass incarceration, and as president, she will end private prisons and private immigrant detention centers,” campaign spokeswoman Xochitl Hinojosa said in a statement Thursday night. “She believes that we should not contract out this core responsibility of the federal government, and when we’re dealing with a mass incarceration crisis, we don’t need private industry incentives that may contribute — or have the appearance of contributing — to over-incarceration.”




http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-private-prisons_us_562a3e3ee4b0ec0a389418ec

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
107. 'End' is not the same as ban.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:49 PM
Apr 2016

"move away from" is the actual phrase used on her official website. Also not the same as a ban.

That deliberate and often used word choice should be a huge red flag for anyone who knows politicians.

Someone should ask her directly(not her spokesperson) if she will sign the bill as president.

Haveadream

(1,630 posts)
110. The article stated that she plans to "ban"
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:00 PM
Apr 2016

but upon reading the paraphrased quote, it is hard to tell if they are conflating the terms, "end" and "ban". As you said, one is not necessarily the same as the other. "Moving away from" connotes a process and a ban translates to a specific act or legislation. You are right; language matters and I would like to hear her be even more specific about the way she plans to make that change.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
115. I don't think we can hold a candidate accountable for what their spokesperson says.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 01:26 AM
Apr 2016

Sanders has said ban and proposed a bill to back it up. I feel Clinton's website deliberately uses the phrase "move away from" to avoid such a commitment.

As president, would she speak in favor of the bill at press conferences and in her weekly addresses? Would she sign Sanders' bill if it comes to her desk? This is a question that should be asked in an interview or townhall, the way they pressed on the social security cap.

Haveadream

(1,630 posts)
123. I agree, specific plans make a candidate more accountable
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:45 AM
Apr 2016

and the for-profit prison system is one where there need to be sweeping changes. We all need to keep pushing for this!

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
85. PS - As for the picture, if you know what someone has done, you have an idea of what they will do
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 07:01 PM
Apr 2016

Watch this video. It gets better towards the end.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
71. Hillary is going to kick his ass
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 05:38 PM
Apr 2016

But what we need are big coattails to go along with the beatdown so President Clinton can get things done!

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
72. In other words, the voters we always rely on to win the presidency
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 05:45 PM
Apr 2016

The majority of white men have voted GOP in the last several elections. The majority of racial ethnic minorities have voted Dem. White women I'm not sure of the statistics. But I'm fairly sure that they will vote for the first female POTUS candidate.

Demographically it is difficult for any GOP nominee to win the presidency at this point. For Trump it might be harder since he'll have to walk back an awful lot of stuff that he said against various minority groups as well as women.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
82. I've read that no Democratic candidate since LBJ...
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 06:54 PM
Apr 2016

...has won the white vote.

Yet Carter won, B. Clinton won twice, Obama won twice and H. Clinton is a heavy favorite. Not to mention Gore, who won the popular vote, and Kerry, who came darn close to unseating an incumbent.

Reliance on winning a majority of the white vote will become an increasingly poor strategy for Republicans, as US demographics continue to shift. And no Democratic candidate will win the party's nomination without winning over a majority of POC or women. Some of us have been pointing that out for months now.

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
87. Exactly.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 07:24 PM
Apr 2016

The Democratic Party, at this point in history, is the party with the diverse coalition, and the GOP is the white party (and more the male party - white women vote Dem at a higher rate than white men).

So Hillary's winning coalition within the Dem primaries echo the makeup of the Dem Party.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
95. As I pointed out more than a month ago...
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:08 PM
Apr 2016

...the Democratic electorate in the states of the Deep South are more representative of the overall Democratic electorate than the Democratic electorate in places like Nebraska, Maine, Vermont, Utah, and so on.

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
102. You got that right. We're gonna put HRC in the WH and give her a DEM controlled
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:23 PM
Apr 2016

Congress so she can get shit done sans the wingnuttery,

I'm channeling Harriett Tubman right now. I don't have time for the feels.

Maru Kitteh

(28,341 posts)
111. And Democrats, and a very sizable number of independents, and even a few
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:28 PM
Apr 2016

Republicans.

It's going to be fine.

apnu

(8,758 posts)
117. White Male here. I will be helping too.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:26 AM
Apr 2016

Thought I support Bernie, I have zero problems supporting Hillary in the GE. Given what evil lurks in the GOP, I will sleep well supporting Hillary despite my disagreement with her positions on a few things. (War, fracking, and so forth)

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
118. I really thought no way in hell can Reagan win, also thought W couldn't
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:33 AM
Apr 2016

win too. Never take the republican voters for granted, they'll vote in mass to keep Hillary out of the White House.

 

forjusticethunders

(1,151 posts)
119. Dubya stole it at least once
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:37 AM
Apr 2016

granted it was close enough that it COULD be stolen.

Also this country is a lot blacker a lot browner and a lot younger than 2000 let alone 1980.


LWolf

(46,179 posts)
120. Good luck with that.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:14 AM
Apr 2016

I am a woman.

I do not fear Trump. Anger yes. Fear, no.

I know that Hillary does not understand and appreciate my issues. I've known this for a couple of decades now.

obamanut2012

(26,080 posts)
121. Agreed -- and, I include GOP women in that, too
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:20 AM
Apr 2016

Both national-level GOP women, like Christine Whitman and Susan Collins, and people like my mom's neighbor. Very southern, small-town Conservative Christian, always voted GOP, borderline Teabagger. She told my mom she is so excited about voting for Hillary, and would have even if Trump wasn't the nominee. Adding Trump in will only increase the crossover.

Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»2016 Postmortem»Women, African Americans ...