So when Clinton's numbers plummet are you going to blame Bernie

[Skwmom]

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for not exposing the facts in the primary?

In the world of politics where very little is known, one thing is for sure Camp Clinton does NOT want Hillary vetted during the primary process. And her buddy Donald Trump seems to agree with Camp Clinton. If he wanted Bernie to speak out, he never would have made the stupid comment about what Bernie said.

So neither Clinton or Trump want Clinton vetted during the primary process. Isn't that something...

Update: On Face the Nation, they talked about vetting Hillary in the general.

From Face the Nation: 1/31 In terms of what they do, though, in a very long period where all the attention is going to a Republican campaign that's going -- that's going for month after month, they probably raise a lot of money and they do a lot of organizing, but that may not be a good period for Clinton because it's a period in which she gets covered as a president who (ph) gets investigated.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/face-the-nation-transcripts-january-31-2016-trump-rubio/

WHY CLINTON HAS NOT BEEN VETTED

1. There are a LOT of people that don't know about stuff from the past. Some were not born and some really didn't tune into politics at that time. I've found out stuff that I never knew.

2. She and Bill have done a WHOLE LOT since 2008.

3. Her record as SOS has not been discussed.

[Broward]

1. They already are preemptively blaming him because of the unqualified comment.

[Skwmom]

3. And who started that mess? Being called unqualified she can play the gender card.

Interesting that came out after the Trump's nickname for her of incompetent was disclosed.

Trump's nickname of incompetent is not really subject to the gender card like unqualified which might be why the Camp Clinton started the whole thing. Of course she does stir up her base when she plays the "poor me I am being attacked card."

[brush]

14. Someone's poll numbers will decline once vetted

It won't be Hillary though as she's withstood 25 years of repug attacks.

Here's a link to a video of Trump's many insults to women. Scroll down about 6 posts to the video and watch, then tell us Trump is going survive just this? And women are just one huge group of voters Trump has insulted, threaten to export or exclude from the country.

Videos like these will be running 24/7 against that misogynist racist.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511849223

[Skwmom]

16. There is a HUGE amount of vetting that has not been done AND a lot of voters who don't even know the

earlier crap.

[brush]

19. Yeah, against Trump and his family barring blacks from their buildings in New York

He's going to lose spectacularly.

We outnumber repugs. Maybe you don't remember but the Obama coalition of African Americans, Latino Americans, Asian Americans, women, gays, non-diehard progressive whites and Native Americans, elected Obama twice and will do the same for Clinton.

Again, we outnumber the angry whites that back Trump.

Romney got a huge majority of those same people. He lost, remember?

The days of winning the presidency with only white votes are long gone.

[Skwmom]

21. Overlooking the fact that white voters played a role in getting Obama elected.

[brush]

23. Read my post again. Women and progressive whites are part of the Obama coalition

Also, did you watch the video in the other post I reponded to you on, of Trump's many insults to women?

Here it is again. Watch it and tell me Trump is going to win the majority of women voters. Scroll down about 6 posts to the video:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511849223

[wendylaroux]

59. republicans vote for republicans,no matter who,has not been the

pattern of dems/progressives.

[brush]

63. Not sure what that means.

[wendylaroux]

64. dems/progressives are not as sheep like as repubs.

always been that way.

[brush]

67. Don't expect them to be. Many progressives will vote blue though. I don't know what . . .

Sanders did-hards will do, but the Obama coalition will elect Hillary as we twice elected Obama.

[wendylaroux]

69. all the people that elected Obama won't be there for her.

if all of the states would have been open primary's we would have Bernie as our candidate now.

They are all going to be open in the general.I am not saying this too piss you off,H supporters

may have helped trump become president.

[brush]

73. You seem to be forgetting we our number the angry white Trump supporters

And if you think Trump is going win the biggest demographic group in the country, women, watch this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1849314

And there are similar videos that will run 24/7 of him calling Latinos criminals and whores, and his intent to export them and build a wall.

Also of his racist thugs beating black people at his rallies.

Nah, he's going to lose spectacularly.

[wendylaroux]

74. ok,we shall see.

[Skwmom]

65. Amazing how you think Obama's voters are transferable to Clinton. They are not. If Obama had

Clinton's history, he never would have been elected. Clinton is NO Obama.

[brush]

68. He? Are you confusing Bill Clinton with Hillary? I'm talking about Hillary Clinton.

[Skwmom]

79. No, I am not.

[brush]

81. Must be a typo in your post then.

[riderinthestorm]

80. Trump is winning big with women. More with every state

n Maryland, he captured 50 percent of the votes from female Republicans. In Pennsylvania, that percentage increased to 54 percent and it was 55 percent in Connecticut.

He has a problem with Democratic women but Republican women are absolutely voting for him.

[brush]

83. "Republicans" is the key word. He's not winning all of them and once ads like this hit . . .

he'll lose some of them. And you have to know he's not getting Dem and most independent women after ads like this run 24/7:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1849314

[riderinthestorm]

86. Republicans hate Clinton. Those ads won't work. They hate her

You're trying to rationalize people who will crawl over broken glass to vote against her.

The women who have already voted for Trump also know he's a raving shithead towards women. Its been brought up ad nauseum by the MSM in regards to his comments @ Carly Fiorina and Megyn Kelly.

They know it and still vote for him in ever increasing numbers.

[brush]

87. Come on. Sour grapes is not attractive. Sanders lost.

Clinton won and Trump will lose spectacularly.

After that debacle of a foreign policy speech of his today I can't wait for the debates.

Clinton will demolish him just as she did the repugs for 11 hours in that Benghazi hearing.

[riderinthestorm]

88. Shrug, keep your head in the sand.

I won't say I told you so in November but I'll be thinking it.

[brush]

90. Guess you don't know about that speech today. It was an embarrassment for the country

He so out of his depth — nothing but slogans and tough-talk sound bites.

He's so uninformed about foreign policy it's scary.

And btw, why are you rooting for Trump?

[riderinthestorm]

93. Which keep garnering him bigger and bigger wins.

Your insinuation that I'm a Trump supporter is despicable. I don't deserve that. My posting history demonstrates I'm a solid Democrat.

Your willful inability to see this campaign with any sense of clarity is damn sad.

Shit like this is why there's never going to be any success putting the party together again. I actually used to like you as another fellow long term poster but your Sanders hatred has turned you into a parody.

Well done.

[brush]

97. I see it differently from you. I don't think Trump will win. You do.

You're entitled to your opinion and I to mine.

The Obama coalition will defeat him just as we did Romney and McCain.

[runaway hero]

85. This is the free trade election.

[Armstead]

94. Being the GOP nominee will immunize him for a lot of conservative women

The women who already don't like feminism and abortion and all that.....Once Trump has the mantle, they'll overlook his more outrageous comments.

I'm not saying that's a good thing....But it's the kind of thing one has to be realistic about.

[brush]

95. He'll lose spectacularly

He just gave a horrendous foreign policy speech today that was nothing but talking points and tough guy slogans, much like his stump speeches.

I can't wait for the debates as he's totally out of his depth. Clinton will demolish him, much like she dig the repugs for 11 hours in that last Benghazi hearing.

[Armstead]

96. I hope he does

But just saying don't assume anything

[John Poet]

45. She HASN'T withstood 25 years of "FBI attacks",

however.

[brush]

47. Not gonna happen. Stop praying.

[runaway hero]

84. Women are democrats anyway

So why is this surprising.

[BernieforPres2016]

2. Who cares who they blame?

They live in their own world and have no credibility with anybody outside of it.

[Mnpaul]

100. I do

We are still hearing them whine about Nader.

They need to own up to their failures. Stop blaming voters.

[BernieforPres2016]

103. The Nader stuff is nonsense

Nobody is owed a vote. It's the candidate's job to earn it. If the Democratic Party wants the votes of progressives they need to stop treating them with contempt.

[Dem2]

4. Someone still quite PO'd

Not vetted, 30 years under fire, not vetted? Did I read that correctly?

[Satch59]

10. I know...was looking for the sarcasm emoji...

No one has been more vetted and hit upon than HRC... And she's still standing tall and strong. Waiting for all the fun Trump baggage to emerge and NOT worried about her numbers...they will continue to rise.

[puffy socks]

78. Right! It's Trump that hasn't been vetted. Instead

the media covers his every word and presents it as truth.

[Squinch]

5. Skwmom, it's over. What do you hope to gain from this?

[Vinca]

6. What do you think? Bernie will be scapegoat #1.

[DookDook]

32. And his supporters will be scapegoat #2.

The talking points that will go out that it's really those mean BernieBros® who are torpedoing Secretary Clinton by pointing out facts.

[Jester Messiah]

35. Same as it ever was.

Insist on a shitty candidate, then blame everyone else for not voting for the shitty candidate. It's gonna be Martha Coakley all over again.

[Svafa]

77. Yep.

We're already getting constant reminders of Nader.

[Mnpaul]

101. The talking points are out already

I heard several callers on different shows blaming Bernie for Trump attacks. We all know that Trump could never come up with "corrupt Hillary" on his own.

[Buzz Clik]

7. THIS SHIT AGAIN?

(Oh -- as promised. 56% cumulative blowout. 56 rofls)

[TheCowsCameHome]

8. Everybody knows who Clinton is by now.

For better or for worse, she's a known quantity.

Deal with it.

[wendylaroux]

58. that's very true.and that's a good thing? for her?

[haikugal]

9. Said in my best Cenk Uygur voice...

OF COURSE!!!!

[JoePhilly]

11. Hillary not vetted? Bwahahahahahahaha!!!!!

[ViseGrip]

12. FFS she is already tied to Trump!

[BeyondGeography]

13. Give it a rest

[artislife]

15. I am thinking the Marine's missed out on Hillary

*snerk


She is well suited to waging war .

[NCTraveler]

17. "So neither Clinton or Trump want Clinton vetted during the primary process."

One of the biggest lines of BS we have seen this primary season, and the competition is stiff. No one in their right mind would buy what you are selling here.

Clinton is the most vetted candidate in history.

[Blue_In_AK]

22. Clinton is the most vetted candidate in history,

which is definitely a problem for her. People know her, and a lot of people don't like what they know.

It will be an interesting election.

[Skwmom]

24. There are A LOT of people who do not know a lot of the stuff they will bring out.

[Prism]

38. The problems of the Clinton Foundation haven't gone mainstream

Sure, we know about them, because we're political junkies. But even on DU, there hasn't been much of an in-depth discussion of them, because any mention is met with "right-wing talking points!"

And Bernie certainly hasn't made it a big deal.

Trump will have no scruples about bringing it all into the light.

I actually wish Sanders had used it as a line of attack. I don't think it would have helped him - I've long thought Clinton will be the nominee. But at least it would've immunized Clinton to a degree for the general.

Sanders' nice guy approach is actually going to be a disservice. It allowed a head-in-the-sand attitude to fester both within the party and within a sympathetic media.

Her real vetting, just what exactly she's been up to for the past eight years, has not yet begun.

People are way too complacent about this. Trump fights dirty. Sanders did not. Just wait. And then imagine what they're going to save up for October. It's going to be an interesting, drama-filled election season.

[riderinthestorm]

98. I'd lay money on Trump already having evidence of Clinton Foundation pay for play

He's friends with other top oligarchs in KSA specifically as just one example.

I'd also put $ on betting he "bought" Senator Clinton for some deal and will also bring that up.

Trump's to the left of Hillary on TPP, futher Mideast entanglements, fracking etc

SMH, Trump hasn't even begun. He's labeled her "corrupt" Hillary for specific reasons which I think he'll bring out as soon as she's the nominee.

[wendylaroux]

62. very interesting lol,stock up on pop corn! nt

[Skwmom]

25. The host on Face the Nation seemed to smile after that comment was made.

They know there is an avalanche to come.

[Autumn]

18. If Hillary's numbers plummet it will be the fault of those bad Bernie bros

who said mean things about her that the republicans will use, those republicans never would have said anything otherwise. That shit is already starting here.

After all it's never something she has actually done, it's always that vast RW conspiracy out to get her once again.

[MisterP]

34. right, they have a very sophisticated system in place to negate any criticism

it's like the creationists or Dan Brown fans

it's even held up a lot of changes in evolutionary thinking--"but the fundies will take advantage of dissent in the ranks!!!!111"

[randome]

20. You've been wrong so far. Why would we think you're right now?

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]

[NurseJackie]

26. Yet another doom and gloom "told-ya-so" dire warning "don't-blame-us" post. Sigh.

Still not handling this very well, I see.

[brooklynite]

27. Psst...don't tell anyone, but I heard she HAD VINCE FOSTER KILLED!

I hope the Republicans don't find out...

[RufusTFirefly]

30. Thanks for attempting to poison the well

That's so unlike you.

[rusty fender]

43. OMG and did you hear...

that she is the chief suspect in the murder of Prince?

[COLGATE4]

60. Remember "TRAVELGATE"!!!!!!!!! Remember WHITEWATER.

Remember the Maine. Remember the Alamo. Remember your Mom's birthday. It's all grist for the mill.

[The_Casual_Observer]

28. Sadly Bernie is already irrelevant. He's already pretty much done his "We got our message out there"

speech. It's up to Clinton now.

[fasttense]

29. The GOP has been prepared to run against Hillary for decades.

I'm pretty sure she's going to have a very tough time in the general. From the people who hate her, to those who wont vote for her because she's not Bernie or a liberal, to those who think she's a Democrat and would never vote for a Democrat, she has a whole cadre of people prepared NOT to vote for her despite a Trump president.

[anigbrowl]

33. That works both ways

The GOP has been slandering her and character assassinating her for decades, and yet she's still one of the world's most admired people and appears on track to be a presidential candidate.

[anigbrowl]

31. "When clinton's numbers plummet"?

I didn't realize we were int he presence of a seer. Do tell us about your track record on predicting the future...or is this just what you hope to see happen?

[Skwmom]

82. It's called common sense and having seen how facts have made prior Clinton supporters turn away from

supporting her.

[anigbrowl]

99. I'm guessing you won't be around to admit it if your prediction fails to pan out

Note that I say 'if' because I am not in habit of assuming my opinion to be correct the way you are. If things turn out differently from the way you predicted, will you admit you were wrong or will you just invent some new story about how the fix was in all along or something and people would have done exactly what you predicted if it wasn't for the baksters/1%/illuminati/jews/aliens (take your pick) who really run things.

[NanceGreggs]

36. According to the Bernie contingent here ...

... Hillary's numbers have been "plummeting" since she entered the race - and, OMG! They plummeted yet again last night!

[Skwmom]

39. A primary does not a general election make.

[wendylaroux]

55. everybody gets to vote in the primary.

[Sunlei]

37. No, because Sanders will endorse her and so will Obama/Biden.

[RufusTFirefly]

40. It makes sense for Sanders to endorse her. They're practically carbon copies!

Aside from a few trivial issues, their views are identical

[Sunlei]

41. I'm hoping they team-up Clinton/Sanders & unite the Party. Senator Sanders moves in that direction.

Sanders first noted that he won in Rhode Island, “the one state with an open primary where independents had a say in the outcome.” Then he went further, saying: “Democrats should recognize that the ticket with the best chance of winning this November must attract support from independents as well as Democrats. I am proud of my campaign’s record in that regard.”

[RufusTFirefly]

52. Yeah. I doubt that Bernie really means all the things he's been saying

The last fifty years have all been a ruse.
He's just been shamelessly pandering to democratic socialist voters.

[Sunlei]

56. That's why he always votes with the Ds :)

[oldandhappy]

53. Great, eh? I put this on my FB page.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

42. Bernie and/or the naughty Left in general.

[Sunlei]

44. The Left has to learn to be a little bit naughty!

[Mnpaul]

102. naughty Left

good one

[BKH70041]

46. No

If her numbers drop that's all on her. She has to give people a reason to vote for her and not just "I'm not them."

"I'm not them" is a sign of weakness. She will continue to give reasons why as she has during the primary.

[Aerows]

50. She makes Al Gore look like an exciting candidate n/t

[Aerows]

48. The chorus of Nader Yelling

will commence.

And you know what? The ONLY person to blame will be Hillary Clinton. Not the wary independents and the voters that are not satisfied with her politics.

[alcibiades_mystery]

49. Didn't you think Bernie was going to win?

[Aerows]

51. It's not over yet. n/t

[grossproffit]

54. Seriously?

[alcibiades_mystery]

76. Heh heh heh

Alrighty, then!

That's the spirit!

[LiberalFighter]

57. If Democrats campaign against Clinton with negatives

it won't be just Sanders to blame.

[HooptieWagon]

61. Of course they will.

They will blame all her self-created problems on Sanders.

[wendylaroux]

66. he was sooo mean to her during primary!!!!!!

even though he treated her with kid gloves.He gave the other side

so much ammo for the general.even though it was all just facts.

[HooptieWagon]

70. She's got a 40 year record that's fair game to criticize.

Sanders barely scratched the surface, and stuck to facts. If she can't handle that, then she definately can't handle what the GOP candidate will throw at her.

[wendylaroux]

72. The thought of trump as prez makes my skin crawl,but,

can you imagine the shit he has on her?( yes,there is shit on him too,but,he's a man,big diff.)

they run in the same rich people crowd .the H people have no idea what they have done.

this is gonna be one wild trip.

[HooptieWagon]

75. Trump's debate line: " I know she's corrupt because I bribed her".

How can she respond? Trump will land some devastating blows on her, even before the FBI report is released.

[wendylaroux]

89. This is very sad,I wanted Bernie for his

good works that could have helped so many people. The worst part is the dnc,media etc

hurt him every step of the way but still he came this far!!!!!! if he had had the help

h got,we would be voting for Bernie v trump,and slaughtered him.

I mean he beats him at a higher % than h!! every time!!

[Kalidurga]

71. Historically it's the left that is first attacked by the oligarchs.

[Ferd Berfel]

91. Of course they wil blame Bernie and his supporters.

Have you ever seen a republican take responsibility for their fuck-ups?

This will be no different - Status Quo... ya know?

[jillan]

92. I think it's going to be the opposite. Bernie supporters will be

saying "we told you so".