Hillary Clinton is one of the most progressive presidential candidates we've had in a long time

[ProudToBeLiberal]

She's the first candidate to talk openly about systemic racism and white privilege. I have never ever seen a presidential candidate talk about these issue so publicly. What's more wonderful and surprising is that it's coming from a white person. Not even then Senator Obama in 2008 talked about these issues as deeply and forcefully as Secretary Clinton.

Also, no other presidential candidate in recent memory has so strongly advocated for gun control. She has gone after the gun lobby and the NRA throughout her campaign. Not too long ago, we had even the most progressive candidates like Howard Dean brag about their A rating from the NRA.

No other candidate in decades has brought to the forefront the issue of sexism to the national spotlight. Whether it's unequal pay for women, cultural pressures on little girls, the government intruding on a women's healthcare decisions or media treating women with a double standard. Feminism use to be a dirty word until Secretary Clinton started to embrace and champion it.

These are just some of the issues where Hillary Clinton has taken a leadership approach. She is one of the most progressive presidential candidates we've had in a long time. What a time to be alive!

[pandr32]

1. We are making history

Hillary Clinton will shatter the highest glass ceiling for once and for all

[Nonhlanhla]

14. She's a little bit more than just a successful man's wife

What she shows is that if a woman is not just happy with being the "little woman behind the big man" and instead works at carving out a place in the world for herself, she can succeed. Hillary has never been just someone's wife, and that is exactly why conservatives hate her so much: she represents a modern equality approach to marriage, and did so even when her husband was the one in the limelight.

But thanks for the sexism.

[Squinch]

19. Good god, who ARE these people?

[Bill USA]

115. that's easy, Repugnants. Democrats they certainly are NOT.

[Arneoker]

175. Way to go in the in touch with reality department!

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I'm sorry, but is it any wonder that Hillary supporters think so little of the Bernie people? In fairness, a lot of them are not like that. My nephew supports Bernie. A while ago he made a Facebook post asking others to stop embarrassing him by claiming that Bill stole the Massachusetts primary for him.

[auntpurl]

39. Wow, that was...quite something.

I saw a shocking racist post yesterday, and then this shocking sexist post today (not yours, obviously, the hidden one you're responding to). Who ARE these people??

[athena]

69. Clearly,

if you happen to be someone's wife, then nothing you ever accomplish will be considered your own. By some people, at least.

[pandr32]

85. Boom!

At the same time those conservatives are working to take away women's rights and progress.
It is no surprise why they detest Hillary Clinton--not to mention their freak-out at who is going to be the next FLOTUS (1st Lord of the U.S.) (Lady/Lord are opposites and both start with L).
It will be so awesome when Madame President gets sworn in.

[2pooped2pop]

112. she will be impeached

And will close that glass ceiling for other women for decades

[HERVEPA]

154. Dumb dumb dumb.

[yourpaljoey]

2. in fact, I would put her right up there with Obama!

That Bernie Sanders guy is not progressive at all!!

[Orsino]

76. Heh. n/t

[LexVegas]

3. Most of us know. It's why she's winning so handily. nt

[qdouble]

7. Other than war....

I think Hillary is/was more progressive than Obama. Obama just made more impressive speeches...but if you analyzed their campaign platforms side by side...Hillary's was more progressive.

[arikara]

22. She just says what she thinks people want to hear

although she doesn't have the nice speeches like Obama. Sorry, but a warmongering corporatist with a couple decent social stances is anything but "progressive".

[qdouble]

32. She's very progressive

her votes match Bernie's 93% of the time. She's at least 90% progressive if you go through all of the issues. Bernie supporters singling out a handful of issues that she may not be that progressive on and totally ignoring every aspect in which is clearly progressive is the farthest thing from a fair and balanced analysis of where she stands on the issues.

[arikara]

49. Wars and fracking

Killing people. Destroying the commons. Those things are not acceptable.
Not to mention her ties Wall street and other similar entities.

So she says a couple things now people want to hear. IF she gets selected, the next few years will tell the truth.

[qdouble]

59. Once again,

you're doing exactly what I said you were doing. Singling out a few issues and completely ignoring every other issue in which she is progressive. She's voted with bernie 93% of the time and has been consistently progressive on many issues.... that is not just saying "a couple things now people want to hear." That's being a progressive in word and action on over 90% of the issues.

[arikara]

71. These are the important issues

They are the bigger issues, the most important ones. Murder of innocents, and destruction of the commons. When there is no water there is no life.

[qdouble]

73. I'm not saying that you don't have any valid criticisms of Hillary

I'm simply stating that to completely dismiss all the areas in which she is indeed a progressive is not a fair analysis of her stance on many issues.

[arikara]

98. Yes I concede that you have a point

I guess the best analogy I can come up with is when we were shopping for a house. I made a list with 2 columns, one was Must Have. and the other was Nice to Have. Everything had to be checked off in the Must Have column. The Nice to Have was negotiable.

To me on a personal level, peace and protection of the environment are in the Must Have column. So voting for war, fomenting coups, stirring up hornet's nests and promoting fracking worldwide means that particular house is not something I would ever buy, even if there is plenty of pretty stuff in the Nice to Have column.

[dsc]

139. so do only you get to make that analysis

or do we get to as well. For some of us guns was a big issue for example.

[arikara]

143. Well I guess you missed the part where I said:

"To me on a personal level, peace and protection of the environment are in the Must Have column."

Just to be clear, so that there is no more confusion To me on a personal level is what I said. Is there something about that statement you find particularly hard to comprehend?

[dsc]

144. fine that is fair

but often when Hillary supporters state why we favored her over Sanders we have been told we have Stockholm Syndrome, are ignorant, our votes shouldn't count, our issues aren't important and we are liars.

[arikara]

153. That cuts both ways

there's been some pretty nasty statements made about Bernie supporters too. I guess everyone's in defensive mode these days.

Peace to you.

[Arneoker]

183. Is burning coal preferable to fracking? If so why?

And what happens when a people don't like their government? Is that on the U.S.? (Quite a number of things are on us, of course!)

[arikara]

184. Is this a high school exam?

Because it sure is coming across that way. I stated my opinion. Watch the videos showing burning polluted water, once these chemicals are in the water table they are there forever. Live with the earthquakes like people in frack zones have to. Nobody's going to buy their homes are they.

Look. There are a lot of atrocities being perpetrated upon Earth and the beings who live on her, in the name of profit. Hillary promotes them. Do I have time to write an essay on each one? Actually, no.

[Arneoker]

182. What murder of innocents are you talking about?

Rightwinger Jennifer Rubin has knocked her for being complicit in standing aside from the Syrian situation where Butcher Al-Assad has been barrel bombing his own people, many of whom want to remove him from power. Is that what you mean?

[timmymoff]

157. No

you are ignoring the glaring differences. you are ignoring the flip flops, you are ignoring the fact she adopted half of sander's platform that she wasn't for prior to him entering the race. Easily fooled I am afraid. Her votes and actions as sec of state prove anything but progressive.

[Fumesucker]

106. Your DNA, Hillary's DNA and mine 99%+ match that of Trump

That doesn't mean there aren't significant differences.

[blackspade]

68. Really? Do you actually want to go there?

I guess since the states where African Americans carried her are over now it's safe to start throwing Obama under the Clinton bus?

Jesus fucking Christ.

[Svafa]

79. War is kind of a big thing to take out of the equation.

[redstateblues]

35. Another lo poster for Bernie

[auntpurl]

41. "Let us not dismiss Obama just because he is an African American"??

What the heck does that mean??

[Squinch]

117. Methinks this is clearly a trolling troll trolling.

[Number23]

156. Was just about to ask the SAME DAMN QUESTION

Don't you just love it when people out themselves? Completely unintentionally?

[farleftlib]

6. Iraq, Iran, Syria, Honduras, Libya, Palestine

Rogue State Dept, The Clinton Foundation, pay-for-play, Brock, Kissinger, Goldman Sachs, FBI investigation, Steinem and Albright attacking young women, fracking....

[think]

56. A very succinct summary.

[Phlem]

77. But, but, but .........your just making that up!

Fingers in ears "La, la, la, la, la, la, la,......................

Rinse, Repeat.

[Svafa]

78. This.

[riderinthestorm]

101. + another one nt

[Arugula Latte]

186. And, let's not forget, in favor of the fucking death penalty!!!

[Broward]

8. Labeling right-wing Hillary s progressive only moves the conversation further right.

Good job.

[redstateblues]

38. Another bullshit smear. Hillary was one of the most liberal Senators in Congress.

You make yourself look foolish by lumping Hillary in with Cruz, Trump etc. You have obviously not been paying attention to politics very long.

[Broward]

42. There's right and there's far right. Educate yourself.

[JudyM]

51. Oh, yes, of course. That must be why Koch finds her conservative enough to get his vote.

[pnwmom]

91. No, his standard is sanity. Trump and Cruz don't meet the basic test. n/t

[JudyM]

99. Clearly her positions are consistent enough with his if he would vote for her. Meanwhile,

A good number of progressive Dems would prefer to sit out the election if she's the candidate because her values are so poorly aligned with theirs.

[pnwmom]

100. Anyone who thinks that Trump would be no worse than Hillary can let that happen

and suffer the consequences, knowing that they didn't even try to stop him.

[byyiminy]

104. A choice of right of center, and another one that's a bit further right of center?

Not much of a choice, if you ask me. This one has both evils in it, and they're balanced evil. There is no lesser of two evils on this current race.

[JudyM]

111. Welcome to DU, byyiminy!

[pnwmom]

114. In the Senate Hillary and Bernie voted together 93% of the time.

And the non-partisan Ontheissues.org rates them both, based on their voting records, as "hard core liberals."

ontheissues.org

So much for that idea.

[Beowulf]

125. That is such a meaningless statistic!

[JudyM]

109. This isn't about judging them, it's about seeing a clear indicator of her lack of progressiveness.

[Phlem]

81. !

[libtodeath]

9. *

[HooptieWagon]

10. Satire, right?

Nobody's buying that load of horseshit.

[haikugal]

13. Has to be...

[Dragonfli]

34. Third-Way Manny has a sock! /nt

[Kittycat]

106. I think this is the positive CTR spin cycle we are seeing.

Anyone have change for a nickel?

[Yurovsky]

170. I'm still wondering how I fell off the turnip truck...

because that sure as hell seems to be the assumption the HRC crowd is making about progressives.

I don't recall corporatism and acquiescence to the whims of the military-industrial complex being progressive values. If HRC can walk away from her sponsors, I'll consider voting for her. Until then, I'll pass. Just having a D behind your name isn't good enough, especially if you've sold your soul to Goldman Sachs. For chrissakes, George Wallace had a D behind his name...

[yuiyoshida]

28. yeah...right.

[redstateblues]

40. Another new lo poster for Bernie!!

Bernie was the one making promises he knew he couldn't keep

[sadoldgirl]

12. Thanks, needed a good laugh this morning!

[B Calm]

15. Someone needs to tell Obama he should have talked about racism before Hillary.

[Armstead]

16. That's a pretty low bar...

Although I think Obama has progressive instincts...And his speeches on race are much more 3D than Clinton

[ismnotwasm]

17. K&R

[coyote]

18. Oh yes, sexism and racism are the critical issues in my life

It's not the issues of whether I can afford to go to the hospital or not, putting food on the table for my family, being able to send my kids to college, or having an inhabitable planet in the future. Sexism and racism are the ones that give me my sleepless nights.

[auntpurl]

43. They might be if you were black or a woman.

For heaven's sake.

[coyote]

61. Of course they are.

But issues such as sexism, religion , racism are there to divide the peasants, distracting us from the real problems.

[auntpurl]

63. Is that so?

So what you're saying is, that your everyday concerns about healthcare, etc, are more important than the everyday concerns of a black person who literally worries about getting shot in the street?

Racism and sexism are a distraction, folks. You heard it here first.

[coyote]

64. Do you think the top 1% worry about issues such as sexism, racism, religion etc?

They don't. However they are certainly good issues to keep the masses pre occupied and distract the people by how much money and power the top 1% have. Why isn't income inequality ever discussed indepth by the media which affect 99% of us but issues such as abortion, racism, sexism are constantly in the media.

Again I am not denying racism is not important, get real. I am looking at the bigger picture that affects everyone.

[auntpurl]

65. You literally said racism and sexism were a distraction.

If that's not minimising and discounting their importance, you need to choose your words more carefully.

They are not "issues to keep the masses preoccupied". People are dying. Racism and sexism are pervasive issues that are poisoning our society. For heaven's sakes, take your oligarchy blinkers off for a minute.

[coyote]

66. Hmm.

If you can't see how racism, sexism, and religion are used to control and divide people...I can't help you.

Have a nice day.

[gollygee]

142. Then let's not be divided

Let's all join together to fight racism and sexism.

[GeorgeGist]

172. And yet you dismiss them out of hand?

Can't help you. Have a nice day.

[Svafa]

82. Yes. Divide and conquer

is exactly how the elites maintain power. When we're all fighting each other, we're too busy to notice that they're the ones fucking us over.

[hollowdweller]

20. Here's the problem with what you just said.

The three things you mention are worthy things.

However the problem with the Democratic party is that's mostly what they've been for, but at the same time they haven't really done enough on the economic issues.

There's so much of the country that agrees with us on economic issues but we put forth only social issues and continue to ignore we are all getting poorer and our country is going down the tubes.

We can have no guns in our society if we want it, but just remember when wages get low enough that the people revolt it's only going to be the cops who are backing the businesses during strikes that will be doing the shooting.

We can have women and black people making the same amount of money as white people, and we should, however they will all be working for less money than they should, and probably without sick leave, retirement or health care if the Democratic party doesn't get off it's ass and be as brave on the economic issues as it is on the social issues.

[cloudbase]

21. From another board I frequent:

The fact is she's the only Republican in the race, and Bernie is the only Democrat. We've moved so fucking far to the right that people can't see that Hillary is Bob Dole in a dress, with fewer scruples.

===========

Okay, okay. A pantsuit.

[redstateblues]

44. Another bullshit smear. Hillary was one of the most liberal Senators in Congress.

Putting her in the same conversation with Cruz makes you sound very uninformed. She is no Republican. Ask one. If she is as you say why do republicans hate her?

[JudyM]

52. And again: why does Koch favor her?

[Frances]

57. Koch is Koch

but I can guarantee you that white southerners with racist tendencies hate Hillary

I know because some of them are my relatives

[JudyM]

62. There are also plenty of liberal progressives who hate her.

[Frances]

74. I think they are ill informed

[JudyM]

96. LOL! Seriously!? Now *there's* a twist: those paying attention to The Facts are ill-informed!

Yeah, sure.

[Dem2]

87. LMFAO!!

Nobody believes anything Koch says when discussing Democrats.

[JudyM]

95. A man whose life is about entrenching conservative politicians in government knows a conservative

when he sees her.

[Dem2]

134. Yes you are very hilarious

We know you're one of these who thinks Hillary is a wing nut. We get it.

[JudyM]

140. Um, no, you are wrong about that. There are differences between her and them.

But she shares too many of their patterns and is undeniably more corrupt than any other dem presidential candidate in generations. Massive corporate/crony giveaways have normally been a hallmark of ROVIAN rethugs.

[Dem2]

141. Too much internet

You believe too much of the hardcore right/left-wing talking points about Hillary - it's not 10% as bad as you've convinced yourself it is.

[JudyM]

145. You assume I have insufficiently educated myself about this. Again, you are incorrect.

Is there any possibility that you, yourself, may be less completely and accurately informed? Certainly you have 2 strikes in your swings (assumptions) against me!
I don't intend this to be insulting, it's just so clear that the 2 conclusions you've drawn about me are inaccurate ... Perhaps the conclusions you've drawn about others who believe she is highly dishonest and even corrupt are also inaccurate (lumping us all together) and even that your conclusions about her are inaccurate also.

I have spent many, many hours reading about her... I was initially planning to vote for her, but as I read more facts about what she's actually done when in positions of public trust and how she has used her influence, I had to look at Bernie... And the more I learned about him, the more I liked him. It was the exact opposite ...

[Dem2]

147. Just the opposite

I'm suggesting that you've over-immersed yourself in this. It's the whole "believe your own rhetoric" thing in my opinion. It's just my opinion based on many (15?) years debating politics on the internet (and a lifetime in real life - I'm one of those who was born a Democrat.) I could be wrong, but I am right in that I've read all that you have about Hillary and she's clearly not as diabolical as you believe she is. But of course let me once again couch that as "my opinion".

In the end opinions vary and we're both correct (obviously!), we just have different perspectives on what we consider super critical "non negotiable" issues.

[JudyM]

150. Ok, it's probably neither particularly wise nor worth it to go here, but in terms of opinions,

my career involves, in part, assessing white collar crime and ethics, okay? I know exactly what I am looking at and I am profoundly aware of its implications to our citizenry. This is not in any universe about an echo chamber, my friend, but if you need to continue discounting others' very educated and considered "opinions" I can't offer more.

[Dem2]

151. OK

Opinions vary.

[Beowulf]

132. That is such a meaningless statement.

How many real liberals are in the senate? Maybe four. Bernie, Warren, Brown, Merkey? You can be pretty conservative and still be among the most liberal in that group. She's a DLCer and they loathe liberals. By calling Hillary liberal or progressive, you render those terms meaningless.

[rhett o rick]

23. Those are great issues but if she allows her friends in the Wealthy 1% to continue to

steal our wealth and resources we will end up paupers with gun control.

Typical of the Third Way, she will offer up some social justice issues and still hold the neocon line for foreign policy and the pro Wall Street line on the economy.

What's interesting is your attempts to sell Clinton as a progressive. Millions of progressive do not agree. The battle between her and Sanders was not a battle between progressives, but a battle between progressives and conservatives. Granted she is a conservative that offers rhetoric re. some social justice issues.
Her stand on min wage is conservative as is her stand on fracking and the killer Free Trade laws. She has had to modify her stand on SS do to pressure from the progressive wing. Her stand on tough drug laws and cutting welfare are not progressive. Her close ties with Prisons For Profits isn't progressive. Her stand on the Iraq war wasn't progressive. Her stand on medical marijuana is non-empathic and not progressive.

Who do you think you are fooling. Rhetorical question, you are only fooling those of you that want her labeled progressive.

[B Calm]

25. Exactly! great post

[Martin Eden]

37. +1

Not fooling anyone who doesn't want to believe HRC is a progressive rather than a neoliberal.

[Joe the Revelator]

24. Platitudes about racism and sexism are not policy nt

[Svafa]

83. Exactly

[eridani]

161. She's fine with keeping marijuana illegal, though black people are 4 times more likely to get--

arrested for it than whites, and even more likely to serve time for it.

[KPN]

26. Then that's not saying much is it?

[Kip Humphrey]

27. proving once more that you can fool some of the people all the time.

[redstateblues]

45. and Bernie sure has with all his promises

that he knew he could never keep

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

29. She's almost as progressive as Richard Nixon.

[GreenPartyVoter]

93. Almost.

*sigh*

[Fuddnik]

30. !

[karynnj]

33. Both President Obama and Secretary Kerry are more progressive and liberal than HRC - the last 2

nominees.

The reason that there is more talk on "white privilege and systemic racism" is that those WORDS are far more common in the public conversation than they were 10 years ago. Much of Obama's "rev Wright" speech was actually on similar issues. As to feminism, Kerry acted on that issue from the time he was a deputy district attorney who both set up rape counseling (in the late 1970s) and worked hard to hire a large number of women lawyers into the department.

Feminism was a movement in the late 1960s/early 1970s - long before Clinton was a well known political figure.

[blm]

86. Kerry was first to speak out against environmentalism racism.

I think the OP was probably not as engaged, since they also believe Dean was most progressive candidate in 2004. lololol

[RedCappedBandit]

36. Sigh. The new dems have the party right where they want it

[Doctor_J]

46. If you repeat a lie enough times,

a few low-wattage voters will buy it.

Wait, I thought on odd-numbered day Hillary was a centrist, just what we need.

[Turin_C3PO]

47. She's great on civil rights.

And that's no small thing, no doubt about it. But I wouldn't call her the most progressive as far as economic and foreign policy goes. Obama beats her in those areas,imo, and it's why I'm a Bernie supporter. I think he's the whole package. Of course I'll vote for Hillary in the GE, we can't afford a Republican presidency.

[B Calm]

48. Democratic voters love marijuana legalization. Hillary Clinton doesn't.

Hillary Clinton's approach to marijuana legalization can best be described as a cautious, leave-it-to-the-states strategy similar to that of the Obama administration. But her wary approach to the issue puts her at slight odds with most voters, more of her Democratic base, and even most voters in some key swing states, all of whom flat-out support legalization.

http://www.vox.com/2015/4/13/8393495/hillary-clinton-marijuana-legalization

[joshcryer]

108. It's actually highly likely to be in the platform.

You have four states that have legalized, and another dozen will be on the ballot, she'll evolve on that one, no choice.

[B Calm]

113. Right now she's wishy washy.

[joshcryer]

116. That's what you want.

[B Calm]

119. Not me. Too many people are suffering that could be helped

with marijuana. Purchasing illegal marijuana puts you at risk by not knowing if it's ditch weed laced with something bad.

[joshcryer]

121. We legalized in my state...

I'm well aware of the benefits and am a fighter. I'm simply saying I'm comfortable with a candidate which is open to evolving on an issue such as this.

[eridani]

162. Only because of the Sanders delegates n/t

[joshcryer]

163. Which I sent?

So what is your point? I've been predicting this for many months now. This is a good thing. It should be applauded. Clinton should be encouraged to embrace it. Not bemoan it.

[cliffordu]

50. I do know she has to hire

Better astroturfers.

The current crop are pretty transparent.

[Bleacher Creature]

54. All great points!! K&R!!

[JudyM]

55. Funny which issues she took up... the first two were - sorry - peculiarly strategic in this primary.

[QC]

58. The chocolate ration has been increased from ten to five grams weekly. n/t

[vintx]

60. LOL!

Good one!

[blackspade]

67. She is a Johnny-come-lately to all these issues.

"Not even then Senator Obama in 2008 talked about these issues as deeply and forcefully as Secretary Clinton. "
Is this some kind of sick joke? Obama has eloquently addressed systemic racism from his candidacy to the present.
Her rhetoric doesn't hold a candle to the reality of his having navigated American society as a Black man.

"Not too long ago, we had even the most progressive candidates like Howard Dean brag about their A rating from the NRA."
And she was right there with him, strongly criticizing Obama for his anti-gun stances. Her cynical lambasting of Obama's comment about some voters clinging to their guns out of fear was one of the low points of 2008.

"Whether it's unequal pay for women, cultural pressures on little girls, the government intruding on a women's healthcare decisions or media treating women with a double standard."
Clinton has not been a leader on any of these fronts, although I'll grant you that her criticism of the media has been spot on for some time. But her willingness to 'compromise' on women's healthcare decisions, ie abortion, is appalling and undercuts your statement profoundly.

So under your own rubric, she is a poor progressive on these three issues alone and an even worse one when discussing social and economic inequality, climate change, foreign conflicts, and money in politics.

[ieoeja]

70. "What's more wonderful and surprising is that (discussion on race) coming from a white person."

Cue the "whitesplaining" brigade.

Oh, that's right. It is only whitesplaining when it comes from a Bernie supporter.

[kgnu_fan]

72. NOT!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

75. Try to say IWR vote and "Progressive" at the same time.

[actslikeacarrot]

80. Except for foreign policy, but that's just a minor issue, right? N/T

[John Poet]

84. so NOT TRUE.

Talk is cheap. DEEDS, NOT WORDS:


1. IRAQ

2. LIBYA

3. AFGHANISTAN (surge)

4. HONDURAS

5. PATRIOT ACT


Hillary's campaign rhetoric is just window-dressing that will probably come to little or nothing.
Just WORDS...

Her DEEDS, however, have cost untold thousands of lives.

NO WARMONGER is a 'progressive'.

[Lucinda]

88. She most certainly is. No matter how much some of our peers want to deny it.

Exciting time to be a political junkie!
Thanks very much for the breath of fresh air.

[Vinca]

89. She's many things, but progressive is not one of them.

She's a war hawk, not interested in single-payer, beholden to Wall Street and has flip flopped all over the place on guns (2008 she loved them, 2016 she hates them). She talks about students graduating from college without debt, but apparently their tuition money will be coming out of the sky on Hillary's flaming pie because she hasn't told us how that happens. She's made mention of concessions on abortion rights to boot. That's not being progressive. That's hoodwinking the voters.

[pnwmom]

94. Apparently you haven't bothered to read her website because she explains exactly

how she would finance her college tuition plan, and it makes a lot more sense than Bernie's.

So I won't bother with the rest of your claims. They're equally uninformed.

[ThePhilosopher04]

90. That's a bald face lie.

[askew]

92. No. Just no.

Obama is the most successful progressive presidential candidate we've had in decades.

Hillary is a compulsive liar who say whatever gets her elected and never in her career has she been a successful leader. A follower and a failure, yes. A successful leader, no.

[PowerToThePeople]

97. .

[pantsonfire]

102. Yep!

[joshcryer]

103. The country as a whole has shifted left.

Dramatically so, even. We were still banning gay marriage less than 5 years ago, for instance. Hillary is just going with the flow.

[B Calm]

105. If she is the most progressive candidate in a long time, that don't look good on Obama.

[guillaumeb]

110. Does "progressive" equate with a fondness for military intervention?

Your post does not make the case that HRC is in any way progressive, it simply claims that she is "one of the most progressive candidates"...........

So what exactly are you saying?

Talking about issues is all well and good, but actions speak far louder than campaign rhetoric. What specific policies has she proposed to deal with these issues?

[mcar]

118. She is indeed

[Blue_In_AK]

120. She is fairly good on social domestic issues,

as you've pointed out, but as for economic and international things, I'm not impressed. She's very hawkish, and I honestly believe that she's out of touch with most ordinary people who don't have her money or connections.

[Rass]

122. ..and Santa truly exists

Hillary is republican-lite and no amount of rewriting history is going to change that. She supports outsourcing American jobs, mass incarceration of minorities with "tough on crime" policies, endless war, oil, and fracking.

Why should I care if my neighbor down the street wants a gun while I can barely support myself financially? Those are some fucked up priorities you have there. It is none of my damn business. Do you know how it feels to get a highly skilled tech job that is severely underpaid because it is legal to offshore it? How about family members that disappear into the prison system breaking their family apart? It is all thanks to Clinton policies. Hillary does not care about minorities and her history shows it. She lies constantly which unfortunately many of her followers believe as truth.

Most progressive? My ass! Hillary is just another corrupt politician. She will keep the corrupt system as-is.

[bjo59]

123. As I tell my students, declaring something repeatedly does not make it true.

[hobbit709]

124. Tool of Wall St. is progressive-who woulda thunk it?

[wendylaroux]

126. And I am Sasquatch's mistress.

[NurseJackie]

127. So many things to love about this post! ..

... I completely agree with everything you wrote. It's all true and it is a great time to be alive!

[PoliticAverse]

129. She's to the right of Obama, which is one of the reasons Obama defeated her in 2008. n/t

[runaway hero]

131. Obama did all that

8 years ago.

[DonCoquixote]

133. ahem

" What's more wonderful and surprising is that it's coming from a white person. Not even then Senator Obama in 2008 talked about these issues as deeply and forcefully as Secretary Clinton. "

Excuse me, but up until recently, the only people who were allowed to talk about those issues were white people, black people got shouted down and kicked to the side, or used as mortar for bricks. When blacks spoke about these issues, they got attacked or shouted out, and few more so than Obama, who got blasted for anything he did that had a hint of black to it. Trying to downplay and diminish Obama as in

" Not even then Senator Obama in 2008 "

is an insult to the people who frankly, poured a lot of blood sweat and tears not just into this campaign, but the people who helped frankly make Hillary. All I hope is that the BIG IOU's she owes PoC get paid. Hillary, heaven help you if you turn to others once you get sworn in, because the people your supporters called your "Firewall" can show you heat if you do not repay the favor.

And yes Abuelita, that includes Hispanics like myself. Obama put in Sotomayor, and therefore also helped get LGBT victory on marriage rights. Let's see what your team means.

PS: The last thing any HIllary Supporter needs to do is put down Obama to make Hillary look better. Yes, Hillary might have primaried Obama if she was not sec state, indeed, as foul as DU is now, I would have hated to see Hillary supporters do their best to try and primary him, but the fact is, if Obama did not extend a hand to her after defeat she would not be in the position she is now. Washington is very very cruel to those who LOSE, and it would have been easy to brand her the loser and forget her.

[TeddyR]

135. What gun control

Has Hills "strongly advocated" for? Universal background checks are the only thing I'm aware of, and since that's supported by the vast majority of citizens it isn't exactly groundbreaking.

[jfern]

136. No one who has carefully looked at her record thinks she's progressive

[nolawarlock]

137. Goodness knows the right wingers hate her.

I remember the Clinton presidency. The right wingers have always thought she was far more left than Bill and they fear her accordingly. I think she'll be great.

And hey, she's winning!

[TeddyR]

138. I can't think of a single issue

On which Hills could legitimately claim to be "progressive."

[senseandsensibility]

155. Me neither

and her Iraq vote would seal it even without all the other examples. Such desperation. Screaming "we're winning" isn't enough anymore. Now the label progressive must be bestowed on her hillness despite the evidence.

[Warren DeMontague]

146. Nothing says progressivism like outlawing flag burning!

Or a manhattan project to make sure that people can't encrypt their snapchats.

[Logical]

148. LOL, is this a joke post? nt

[amborin]

149. not progressive at all; just the opposite; fracking, FTAs, Border Walls, Libya, Coal Plants, etc....

[seekthetruth]

152. Sure.....except for the one thing that is the most critical in this point in history....

.....the environment. I really hope she wakes up and smells the global warming if she does become the Democrat's nominee.

I don't think she will.

[uponit7771]

158. You can tell a nerve was hit from the Podium Bird Land freak out in this post

[B Calm]

164. LOL actually we think the OP has been snorting fairy tale dust.

[uponit7771]

171. Fairy dust equals Sanders has a practical path to winning the nomination

[pinebox]

159. #HillarySoProgressive

[eridani]

160. Boy--putting millions of black people in jail is a great way to protest systemic racism.

So nice that white people benefit from gun control, while Clinton peddles Remington's wares to Saudi Arabia. Brown foreigners don't count. Voting for the Iraq was wasn't progressive either. Nor is being financed by the fuckers who crashed our economy in 2007. Shes' also fine with a constitutional amendment restricting abortion if it would include exceptions for women's lives and health. Putting anything in the Constitution about abortion would be a major disaster.

[KeepItReal]

169. The Clintons did say "My bad, y'all!"... While taking private prison lobby money.

And any other corporate sponsorships that came their way.

[eridani]

174. Yes--Bill did. Then backed off while defending the term "superpredators" n/t

[Scuba]

165. I'm pretty sure "progressive" doesn't mean what you think it does.

[loyalsister]

166. And yet

She publicly promoted the most cold blooded conservative policies with mass incarceration and welfare reform. Then spoke out in favor of the IWR and more recently reveled in the joy of killing Ghaddafi.

That's the stuff of neo-cons who worship machismos and the US flag. Oh yeah, where does flag burnin legislation fall on the liberal scale?

[hellofromreddit]

167. Yeah, but nobody trusts her

Yes, I'm exaggerating--but her "trustworthiness" numbers are terrible. And this is after Obama's terms, so you've got a lot of jaded voters that voted for hope and change but got rationalization and continuity instead. She can say all the right things, but many of those things conflict with her own record in an environment where voters begin every campaign season by distrusting politicians. So she's currently progressive-sounding, but that's it.

I think "sounding progressive" weakens her in the general, if anything. Republicans just don't like her at all, and independents are probably going to still be really pissed off at her by election day. The most she can hope for from those two groups is that they're disgusted enough with the republican candidate to sit things out entirely. But if she's talking up progressive policy, the RNC can easily use that to gin up excitement and turnout.

She will likely drop the majority of that progressive stuff and start sounding more like a republican as the campaign continues. Dissatisfied liberals will be reminded of the supreme court, bla bla bla, fear the other side. The DNC can easily use that to gin up excitement and turnout.

[Cobalt Violet]

168. disgusting what counts for "progressive" these days.

[lumberjack_jeff]

173. How many mentions of systemic racism and white privilege will she utter after July 28th?

The magic 8 ball suggests doubtful.

Words don't mean things. They are simply dials to turn on the presidential vending machine.

[democrank]

176. I learned something new today!

War hawks are "Progressives" in the new Democratic Party.

[Old Union Guy]

177. She's a war criminal.

But she's a member of the "female" tribe so it's OK.

Besides so is Cheney, and that makes it all OK anyway.

She's historic, dammit!

[northernsouthern]

178. Well...

She has definitely "used" the memes of racism and sexism against her opponents more than any other candidate in history. I am sure that counts for something. She also created the whole Obama is a Muslim and not an american thing too, so that is also drawing attention to racism, by using it I guess. I remember her being referred to as the anti-gun activist Annie Oakley last election, and she has been very vocal about the 54 guns from Vermont, and she remembered about the shooting at the schools just in time to be at NY, so that was very convenient for the victims to get mentioned by her a little. She has been very good at pointing out she is a woman, and at proving that a woman can tell other women what is best for them vote-wise just like a man would. I do recall Feminism being a dirty word about a woman being treated equally, fight for suffrage, equal respect in the academic world, but until Hillary used it, it was never a tool to simply gain power and repress others with opposing views. I also like how she has attacked the first Jewish socialist as a communist loving atheist that does not love Israel...it is not easy to tell someone they are not jewish enough and not be racist, in fact it is impossible, also where she equated a socialist Jew with racism for his statements about the southern vote was an amazing step, the last thing I remember with both a socialist jew and the south was the story where one was killed fighting for equal rights and that the movie Mississippi Burning was based on. She is definately amazing.

[Kentonio]

179. If you genuinely think Hillary Clinton is a progressive then I have a bridge in Alaska to sell you..

[Herman4747]

180. Ah, the infamous Bridge to Nowhere!

This one could buy at the cost of: surrendering your mind!

[Arugula Latte]

185. Boy, Opposite Day comes around more and more frequently, it seems...

[BootinUp]

187. Have to Rec it. Excellent post. nt