If being a woman is "playing a card"...

[LisaM]

DEAL ME IN!

[AgerolanAmerican]

1. "being" is not playing a card

responding to valid, serious criticism by claiming the critics are sexist is playing a card.

[2pooped2pop]

5. BA da Boom!

exactly right

[pdsimdars]

58. You made the general point, I thought of a bunch of specifics

Like if some guys are being loud and you tell them to keep it down. . OK
But if some ladies are and you ask them to keep it down and if you call "sexist" I call BS

If you say a male politician looks funny, like talk about Trump's hair, seems to be OK.
But if you mention anything about Hillary's looks . . . sexist, you get dumped from the thread.

On and on and on with instance after instance. If you keep playing that card, and calling everything sexist, the word will lose all it's power. That's how it goes.

Just because it's about a woman doesn't mean it's sexist.

[treestar]

60. Well admit there is enough sexism left out there

that being a woman means you will come in for criticism a lot sooner and for a lot less. That happened to Obama too.

[merrily]

2. Oh, please. No one even implied that. Every woman does not play victim cards.

[LanternWaste]

8. "The only card she has is the woman's card; she's got nothing else going," he said

"Oh, please. No one even implied that..."

"The only card she has is the woman's card; she's got nothing else going," he said. "And frankly, if Hillary Clinton were a man, I don't think she'd get 5 percent..."

Trump's most recent speech. blame your lack of knowledge of a fast moving election cycle... it may even work. Then check her response "deal me in..." And again, place blame on the fast-pace of modern life.

[djean111]

13. Oh, hey - did no one, from Hillary on down through her campaign and her supporters - not fucking

realize that this sort of thing would happen? That's pathetic and ill-prepared. Or is hollering "VICTIM!!!!!!" the actual stupid plan?
If Hillary can't take the absolutely expected heat, she should not be campaigning.

[Sheepshank]

18. OMG...it has never happened in her 25 year in office or while promoting Health care as FLOTUS

Clearly you don't remember the Republican push back and insults on the health care plan she presented as FLOTUS, in big part because it was presented by a lowly woman. You absolutely don't think her speech in China about "Women's rights are Human Right's" didn't give her a clue?

Gawd your statement is ignorant of any facts.

[Gwhittey]

24. Yea but proablem is

That HRC and surrogates have used sexism claim on people in our own party as a means to win primary. And it was used on the very most liberal people that are about as much as you can get behind women rights as we can. So now to rest of country the claim of sexism has become a cry wolf type of thing. So if Trump says that Hillary sleep her way into office as soon as Clinton or DNC say sexism it is going to be taken less likely. Too bad that they used that tactic on people who where never sexist. When we now have to fight someone who obviously only think women are throw away brides that he upgrades when they go past 40 years old. And all they do is bleed from eyes and other orifices. Winning the primary was more important than not calling out false claims of sexism.

[Sheepshank]

25. no...she didn't use her gender as the sole reason for anything

It happens to be an amazing Plus...but she has an agenda that is more important and apparently resonated with a very, very large portion of the population.

There are very many that will not vote for her solely on gender, I don't know of any that vote for her solely because of gender.

[savalez]

17. Trump said it out right.

"The only card she has is the woman's card; she's got nothing else going," he said. "And frankly, if Hillary Clinton were a man, I don't think she'd get 5 percent..."

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/04/26/donald_trump_says_no_one_would_vote_for_hillary_if_she_were_a_man.html

[haikugal]

23. Thank you...

[Armstead]

38. It's referring to a Trump quote

[merrily]

53. Or to Hillary's reply to Trump's comment.

[Armstead]

54. Well to be honest...I defended the phony "sexism" charges about Bernie....

But Trump is truly a sexist dog

[merrily]

56. No doubt. But that is a different issue from whether playing a card

refers to simply being a woman, as the OP suggested. Or, as Hillary put it, http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/04/26/clinton_to_trump_if_fighting_for_womens_health_is_playing_the_woman_card_then_deal_me_in.html

[we can do it]

3. Me too.

[Fresh_Start]

4. For my entire life, I've had few opportunities to vote for a female for high office

I've resisted Carly. I've resisted Palin....
Maybe its not the woman card at work...but rather a working brain.

[2pooped2pop]

7. yes, I"ll bet your vote has nothing to do with it.

You're just voting for the best republican for the job, I guess.

[Maedhros]

11. Not hate. Issue analysis. [n/t]

[2pooped2pop]

57. I've got room for one more

no worries. saving it for you

[djean111]

6. Bringing up the fact that Hillary is a woman, as a reason to vote for her, is

playing a card. Yelling that any criticism of Hillary, no matter what the actual facts are, is sexist - THAT is playing a card. Bringing up the EXCUSE that Hillary is a woman, when attempting to explain away some her deeds, is playing a card.

As a woman, that bullshit offends me.

Your simplistic statement is not what "playing a card" is all about. I don't know which is worse - that you understand that, or that you do not understand that.

[Dem2]

10. It was a major (and awesome) cheer line in her speech last night

If you didn't disdain her so much, you'd know this.

It was a response to misogyny on Trump's part.

Please watch the video at the link: http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/videos/2016-04-27/hillary-clinton-responds-to-trump-s-woman-card-remark

[LisaM]

15. I LOVED IT.

New slogan!

[savalez]

19. It's in response to what Trump said.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/04/26/donald_trump_says_no_one_would_vote_for_hillary_if_she_were_a_man.html

Catch up bro

[Gomez163]

12. The media is already pretending Trump didnt say it.

[Gwhittey]

21. You know why?

Because through out this primary any thing said about HRC was called sexist. She started this in first debate when Sanders criticized her on taking big money from Wall Street. She said Oh it is alright for men to do it but me as women makes it wrong. This type of cry wolf bullshit has been going on entire primary. And now it is going to bite us in DNC in ass because now it allows Trump to actual say stupid shit and people just ignore it because the sexism thing was used to deflect too much.

[LisaM]

14. Oh right. I am stupid, too!

Forgot that acknowledging that I was female meant that I lacked grey matter.

It was still a kickass quote.

[Sheepshank]

16. It's as much (no more, no less) a card:

Playing the successful business man, card
Playing the Socialist, card
Playing the Conservative, card
Playing the Evangelical, card
Playing the Peace keeper, card
Playing the carpet bombing, card
Playing the male, card
Playing the white, card

everyone has a card...everyone is playing on what makes them unique and appealing to their constituency.

Its the most stupid statement to claim that we, as the voting public, are not permitted to draw a positive perception based on the card.

[LisaM]

20. Exactly.

We can all bring the best that is in us to the table.

[David__77]

26. I think that's identity politics.

Of course people are permitted to engage in those politics.

That said, I'm not sure that Clinton ever actually articulated that someone should vote for her simply for being female.

[Sheepshank]

28. I don't think she has either...but sure is the meme being pressed here

I can't deny that her female-ness is appealing to me, but I would never have voted solely on her gender. For example, Palin would have never received my vote. There is much, much more to a candidate than their gender, but in this case I am not willing to overlook gender either. It adds a check mark in the "Positive" column.

[LisaM]

29. I haven't exactly figured out whether "Identity Politics" is an insult or a compliment.

But I will say that when over 50% of a population has never been represented at the highest level of office in the U.S., maybe we need a new ID card.

[David__77]

33. That's a matter of viewpoint.

Personally, I'm not particularly engaged with the issue of "identity politics." I get that someone who identifies with a group might support and appreciate a group member gaining social position or elected office.

In a city council race locally, I had the choice between a gay male Democrat and another (I presume straight) Democrat. I actually personally knew the gay candidate. While I'm gay, voted for the other candidate because my sense was that his ideals and basic impulses were more aligned with my own. That's not to say I don't identify as gay and as a member of a group.

I support all human beings being self-determined and free.

[LisaM]

36. And that is your perogative. I, on the other hand,

am insanely excited that we might get a woman President, and it's a woman I've liked for a long time.

[David__77]

39. I'm glad that you're excited!

I totally appreciate that.

[LisaM]

40. I have a 7-year old niece.

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I hope that one of the first Presidents she knows of is a woman and that she won't really remember a country that went almost 250 of its first years of existence without one.

[David__77]

42. That, I can appreciate also.

I grew up associating "president" with man. A woman occupying that office will have a formative impact on new generations' associations. I totally get the impact of that.

[LisaM]

43. Thank you.

I really appreciate it.

[haikugal]

22. Making it about being a woman is playing a card.

[ContinentalOp]

30. Anyone who accuses somebody else of "playing a card"

or uses the term "identity politics" as an insult is not a progressive in my book.

[LisaM]

32. Well, it was Donald Trump who said it.

I'm grokking that a lot of people may not have watched Hillary last night. I was just trying to be positive about a wonderful comeback line and great moment for Democratic women!

[Orsino]

31. It's a card worth playing at least once.

Maybe it'll help us elect more and better women in the future. That might be well worth the price.

[CTyankee]

46. I know. It seems like we're not completely using the talents of half of our population.

[Hiraeth]

51. truth is: we have misused and abused women's talents for half price for Lo, these many years.

[mcar]

34. K&R

[Demsrule86]

35. Darn right

Great reply to Trump's anti-woman message. Love you Hillary!

[Hiraeth]

37. well let us hope she didn't play that Ace in the hole too soon.

Is that the ONLY card she has? Is the woman playing with a full deck or not?

[ismnotwasm]

48. Wow.

[Hiraeth]

50. yeah, wow. SHOW ME SOMETHING ELSE WOMAN. I have been a woman in the workplace for

a lotta years. Hillary got nothing on me.

She wants MY support BECAUSE she is a woman?!

oh please.

I past that stage of negotiations light years ago.

I am supposed to be impressed because she's a woman?

Big fucking deal. I am a woman, too.

What else ya got, woman?

I am NOT impressed.

IMPRESS ME !!!!!

[Starry Messenger]

49. You seem nice.

o.O

[all american girl]

41. OK, seems no one is getting this. It's her response to Trump being a jackwagon...

The only reason she got votes is because she's a woman...That's her response..I like it!!!!!

[LisaM]

44. It was a great response.

If Hillary playing cards come out, I'll get them!

[SharonClark]

45. Great response to Trump!

[Lucinda]

47. Yep. It helps that our candidate is also the best one running! But I will

happily play the woman card for the first female POTUS and a stronger representation in HER cabinet.

[MrWendel]

52. Its a response...

to Trumps line about her. Unless some on here already knew that and are trying out defending Trump.

[ScreamingMeemie]

55. Deal me out of this hand for the primaries...

But I'll hope for a better ace next round.

[pdsimdars]

59. Shouldn't someone alert on this thread?. What does this have to do with priimaries?

It seems like just a way to fish people in.

But I don't alert on things. That's pretty undemocratic. I just ignore people empty BullS.

[all american girl]

62. Because it was a response to Trump...about hillary and women...

[eridani]

63. I'd rather have policies that benefit women, thankyouverymuch n/t