The writing is on the wall, and I'm with her

[LaydeeBug]

At this point, the only thing Bernie can do is hurt the Democrats' chances in the general election, and there is just too much at stake. To the hangers on, I am sorry your candidate didn't win this time. To the Hillary Supporters, count me in...we have to move forward together.

And I'm with HER!!!!!!

When (then) Senator Clinton had more delegates than Senator Sanders has right now, this place said that (now) President Obama was the presumptive nominee and, well, "let it sink". It is high time Secretary Clinton be afforded the exact same favor. Because she has damn well *earned* it.

Happy Wednesday everybody! Onward, Upward and FORWARD....I'm with her!

[Buzz Clik]

1. +1

[pinebox]

2. Hurt her? Hillary's already permanently damaged.

[LexVegas]

3. How bad is Bernie if she is so damaged yet still kicking his ass?

[pinebox]

6. In closed primaries?

Deny all you want but reality is America hates Hillary almost as much as they hate Trump.

You're "ass kicking" isn't one when it's only a select entitled few wjo are allowed to bote inside a bubble.

[LaydeeBug]

8. And yet, she *still* kicked Bernie's ass. All day long. Even Bernie admits he

will NOT be the nominee. Everything else is trifles.

[pinebox]

18. Which is a Dem loss if Hillary is the nominee

[LaydeeBug]

86. No, it's not. nt

[pinebox]

89. Ya it is

Here's the reality;

Hillary has very little Indy support, if any. Millions of Bernie supporters will never vote for Hillary.
Show me how Hillary wins the white house with only a 55% Democratic base vote.
She doesn't.

Meanwhile Trump now has the most votes in Republican history.

It's a perfect storm scenario. We've been trying to tell you Hillary supporters this but instead we get laughed at. Should Hillary win the nomination, it's a loss in the GE.

[LaydeeBug]

95. Here's the reality: Hillary has gotten more primary votes, actualy votes, than ANY other candidate

in this race, including Bernie. Get over it

[bkkyosemite]

31. All the putting words in Bernie's mouth is getting soooo tiresome.

[LaydeeBug]

96. No "putting words in his mouth" HE redfined his campaign after Tuesday

and you know it

[bkkyosemite]

98. He did not he said he was going all the way.

[LexVegas]

9. You hate Hillary. We're electing her President. It hurts, but get over it. nt

[pinebox]

13. America won't elect Hillary. You hate reality.

Deal with it.

[LaydeeBug]

72. America *is* electing Hillary. That is the reality

She has had more votes for her in this primary than any other candidate. Get over it .

[pinebox]

90. Sorry but it's wishful thinking

Reality is this----

America is stick of both parties, congressional approval is at staggering lows and you really think America is going to elect someone who they overall despise and can't stand?

Bwahahahahahaha! Hold on I need a towel from spitting my coffee all over my screen.

Ahhh yes the whole "she has more votes than any other candidate".
Pro tip---tell us how many were running in the GOP primaries compared to Dems?

[Petrushka]

103. Did you ever stop to think that Trump has more than one person running against him, whereas . . .

. . . Hillary has only one?


Please count all the votes for all Republican candidates during the primaries and, then, figure how that number computes with reference to "...the reality" for November's general election,

Capiche?

[timmymoff]

83. Key word We're

because I'm not electing her to shit.

[auntpurl]

10. Hillary has won a bunch of open primaries.

It's really not the closed/open dichotomy so many Bernie supporters like to assert. It is simply a diverse/homogenous dichotomy, and it has held true in every state so far.

Interesting analysis here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1810518

[pinebox]

19. Check it

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/04/19/bernie-sanders-and-curse-closed-primary/gtDLk0FUqQZOFh33n6rYzM/story.html

[Nonhlanhla]

53. A "select entitled few who are allowed to vote inside a bubble"!!!????

Bernie's coalition is largely white, male, and often privileged. (Yes, I know there are women, poor people, and people of color voting for him too, but the majority of women and PoC has supported Hillary, and while Hillary has tended to beat Bernie among the wealthy, she has also tended to beat him among the poor.) Hillary's coalition is far more diverse in terms of gender, race, and class. In other words, her coalition to a large extent consists of the people who have been historically disadvantaged in this country. This is not exactly an "entitled few."

And anyone has had the right to vote in the Democratic Primary. All they had to do was to follow the primary rules for their state. Independents who live in closed-primary states were not disenfranchised by anything other than their own choice.

Registration errors by incompetent officials being the exception.

[pinebox]

57. I guess you missed the news this morning. Who's AZ?

[Demsrule86]

75. Ohio was an open primary

It seems to me that Bernie needs to be able to win a primary if he has any hope of winning a general.

[pinebox]

91. Wrong. OH was a semi-open primary

https://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/elections/Voters/FAQ/genFAQs.aspx

[CorporatistNation]

105. Yep... Wait Until The FBI Report In! She Cannot WIN In An OPEN ELECTION!

She loses on everyone but minority women and women democrats... The rest will jump out of their death beds to vote... AGAINST HER!

[LaydeeBug]

5. Apparently not, since she keeps winning more votes than anybody else.

Revolutions and people tryna make America great again be damned.

But I appreciate your attempt to marginalize her unique position in history. The Democratic Party is on the precipice of making history TWICE.

[pinebox]

12. In closed primaries among Dem only voters

You all keep missing that.
Look at Hillary's favorabillity numbers. People can't stand her. She's seen as dishonest.

[bkkyosemite]

32. Oh yes all those flipped votes uh huh

[HumanityExperiment]

4. required delegate count...

Does HRC have the required delegate count to earn the nomination today?

If she doesn't the primary isn't over and the debate concerning the issues and the DEM platform continues, correct?

[LaydeeBug]

7. Again, last election cycle, that was not the standard, so why

dopes she get held to a different standard than anyone else? Oh *I* know, we all have to stop to ameliorate other people's sense of spite. No thank you

[HumanityExperiment]

23. why allow outside influences to detemine party standards?...

primaries determine more than just nominee, and today, current delegate count DEMs don't have a nominee now do we?

primaries also determine the DEM issues platform, so that is critical too is it not?

this pivot, based upon your reply here, is HRC is a 'victim', spare me please....

follow the rules, allow the primary cycle to complete, allow the issues to be debated through convention, that's the standard, those are the rules are they not?

[LaydeeBug]

65. not outside influences at all, in fact, just the opposite. nt

[djean111]

11. I will never be with Her.

Accept, much less support, a candidate who proudly stands for war, bloody intervention, fracking, the TPP, crushing college debt, means-testing Social Security, open to adding restrictions to abortion? Sending child refugees home to die to make a point? Not caring about how cluster bombs kill and maim children? The Third Way?

Not a chance. Never. I would be ashamed of myself, as a woman, and as a person.

[LaydeeBug]

14. Then you stand against *US*, because *WE* are with *HER*

and everything else is trifles. As a woman, as a person, I am ashamed that you would enable Trump because Hillary played the cards she was dealt as opposed to the altruistic hand you felt she should have played.

But she rises up anyway. She will this time too

[pinebox]

22. And you stand for...

Fracking.
Not universal health care
Enslaving kids in debt student loans
Wars
Coups
Trade deals that screw American workers
Shade weapons deals
Shells to hide taxes
Ignorance in simple things like email security
Patriot avt
Border fences
Bankruptcy bills
And worst of all...
Bad fashion XD

[bkkyosemite]

34. And those SS cuts are coming and those rising health care costs are coming. Add to the list.

[LaydeeBug]

66. and I stand for not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good

because Bernie's gonna vote for Hillary. Watch.

[pinebox]

68. Sure

yet you stand for the enemy, plainly. Those who keep the poor under their feet.
Bernie is going to vote for Hillary? After all the shit the DNC has done to him, you really believe that?

[LaydeeBug]

69. Saying Hillary is "the enemy" shows who has the REAL problem here. nt

[pinebox]

70. Oh?

Excuse me? I'm not the one who is supporting the most dishonest candidate in the race nor am I the one supporting the candidate who can't stand for a single thing other than changing positions and speaking fees.

Third Way Dems have kept milllions down & hurt a lot of people. Just ask Hillary about the bankruptcy bill.

[LaydeeBug]

71. Yup. Bernie's laying off his field staff, in case you didn't know.

And I am not the one implying I don't want the presumptive Democratic nominee to win the general election. I am straight up, fully supporting the woman who will make history HERSTORY------->>>

[djean111]

25. I wonder how many people will die or lose their jobs, or not be able to afford health care,

due to Hillary.

She will be a Maggie Thatcher, exulting in austerity and bloody war.

If that is *YOU*, then no, I cannot join you. Sacrificing others on the alter of Hillary is obscene. Not a group I would be a part of.
Oh, and I would like to mention that you don't speak for everybody.

if Hillary was dealt the opportunity to wage war, and took the opportunity - and you think that is okay - then, my dear, you belong to a club I would be ashamed to be a member of. Gender has nothing to do with it. When Hillary means-tests and starts slashing at Social Security, should the people who have to do with less feel honored to make the sacrifice, so Hillary can look good to her Third way owners? How revolting.

[LaydeeBug]

67. Conflate much? wow. nt

[Ed Suspicious]

41. Then you stand against us because we want a better life for the 99.

[ThePhilosopher04]

60. You are riding the wrong horse. Sadly.

[oasis]

15. We'll have enough peeps to get her into the White House.

Don't worry about the malcontents.

[LaydeeBug]

17. It will be a tall order (but with Dems, it always is)

but we can do it! *SHE* can do it.

[bkkyosemite]

38. Yes I saw that attitude in Hillary recently. Same confident ha ha attitude.

[BlueCaliDem]

47. She will win the White House, even if you wish otherwise.

She also has a secret weapon - President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden.



He, alone, beat Trump like a second hand Salvation Army drum.

You underestimate Hillary Clinton at your peril.

[grossproffit]

92. +1 I've grown bored with the Bernie or busters.

[LWolf]

16. I am not.

I will very happily cast my vote for Sanders in my state next month.

Clinton was never going to get my support. I wanted a nominee that was not a neo-liberal, so that I could participate in the primaries. I got that, and Sanders has done far better, and far more, than I ever expected. I salute him for that. After the convention, I'll go back to supporting whatever non-neo-liberals who will be on ballots in November that I can find.

[LaydeeBug]

21. are you saying you won't support the Democratic Nominee in the General election?

Because it looks like that is exactly what you're saying, and I want to make sure that is what it is...

[LWolf]

24. I'm not saying a damned thing about the general election.

This is GD rimaries and the primaries, including mine, aren't over.

Look all you like; speculate all you like. That's all it is. Speculation.

I'm not that stupid.

[hamsterjill]

30. The what exactly comes "after the convention"

If you're not saying anything about the general election, why bother to address anything beyond the convention?

If the two choices on the ballot in November are Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, which of those two will get your vote?

Let's cut to the chase here and quit the dilly dallying.

[LWolf]

78. Let me repeat it slowly and loudly.

For the reading impaired.

T H I S I S P R I M A R Y S E A S O N, A N D T H I S F O R U M I S F O R D I S C U S S I O N S A B O U T T H E P R I M A R I E S. I F Y O U A R E R E A L L Y I N T E R E S T E D I N M Y T H O U G H T S O R P L A N S I N T H E G. E.,
A S K M E A F T E R T H E C O N V E N T I O N, W H E N G. E. C A M P A I G N S K I C K O F F.

[hamsterjill]

79. Oh how cute.

You learned to print.

[LWolf]

88. Er...no.

Yes, I know how to print. What seems to be missing is the ability to read and comprehend my typing.

Either people lack the ability to understand, or the desire to. Those who don't give a shit should try simply moving on to something that they do care about instead of jumping in.

[hamsterjill]

99. You want to act as if you're sly.

From your post upthread: "After the convention, I'll go back to supporting whatever non-neo-liberals who will be on ballots in November that I can find."

As was pointed out by another poster upthread, this implies that you will not vote for Hillary. I asked that question again myself, and you've refused to answer.

I'm not going to fight with you over this, but I understand what you are doing. I understand why you will not answer the question. It's not that artful.

It's insulting to the rest of us to insinuate that we don't understand things and that you have to "spell it out" for us.

Now, have yourself a nice evening, but THIS discussion is over. I'm not wasting any more energy.

[LWolf]

102. Not at all.

The people like yourself who have decided it's time to bait Sanders supporters into a tombstone are failing spectacularly to spin discussions into violations of DUs TOS.

If you want to know about my vote in the GE, ask me outside of DU, and if I think it's any of your business, I'll be happy to tell you.

I'm not answering questions about my vote in the GE for 2 reasons:

The first, and the primary, reason, is that it's still primary season, I haven't cast my primary vote, and my focus is on THAT vote.

The secondary reason is that, when the nominee has been made official at the convention, THAT is when I will consider my GE vote. I don't vote for anyone or anything without careful consideration; responsible voters don't. I also don't do loyalty oaths of any kind, so that won't be forthcoming, if that's what you are digging for.

But you just keep trying. That sly tone you notice is looking at you right out of your own mirror, as you slyly fail to attribute your own inept interpretation to me.

[hamsterjill]

104. I have no interest in "baiting" you.

The likes of you will be gone soon enough when Hillary is declared the nominee. I'm a patient person. If you choose to stay, that won't be a problem either.

Do what you like. This is still America. Vote. Don't vote. Your choice.

But every vote not cast for the Democratic nominee, which news flash, WILL BE Hillary, is a nod toward a Trump presidency.

Believe that. Don't believe that. Argue all you want. But facts are facts.

Outside of DU? I don't do outside of DU.

[LWolf]

106. "the likes of me," lol

What a pleasant, positive phrase.

The "likes of me" has been here through 4 primaries, and longer than you...but predict away. Your predictions are probably as accurate as your projections, which are anything but.

I always vote. Always.

Your are free to opine all you like, but opinions are not facts, and yours, as the saying goes, are like...

[Smarmie Doofus]

45. Mmmmmmm.... uhhhhhh...... OK. I give up; WHY?

>>>and I want to make sure that is what it is...>>>>

Why such a need for *certainty* about some OTHER DUer's future political behavior?

Just curious, at this point. ( About you, that is; and your need for certainty.)

[NCTraveler]

20. #imwithher nt

[Joob]

26. Democratic Part hurt itself. Only Bernie can Repair that. Wake up.

[hamsterjill]

27. Beautiful post!

Thank you.

[Iliyah]

28. Forward

[bkkyosemite]

40. Backwards to the corporate elite way of control of the masses the slave class by a few

corrupt, dishonest, cheating elites.

[2pooped2pop]

29. HILLARY is what hurts the dem chances

but fuck her and her party are not democrats at all, so....

[qdouble]

35. the majority of democrats aren't democrats?

This place gets crazier by the second.

[2pooped2pop]

48. the majority of Americans have no fucking clue as to anything that is going on

Our lying fucking media keeps it hidden much like they have kept Hilary's emails kind of quiet as well as the problems it would cause if she actually was elected.

And the dems who are in the pocket of big money and have no intention of working for the people, are not democrats at all. Yes, that is true.

Oligarch

[qdouble]

52. plenty of people know about the emails

and don't give a fuck about them....including Bernie Sanders. Bernie Sanders has lost among poor voters, women and minorities in the majority of states. If you think the base of the party aren't democrats, then you're in the wrong party.

[2pooped2pop]

54. If people knew the reality of those emails

and how it shows a pay for play selling of government favors for personal foundation deposits, that it shows a person trying desperately to keep her doings secret from the people and the government, that it shows an incredible lack of judgement, that it shows an incredible lack of respect for the law....well, I think they would be a lot more interested in them and would easily see why she cannot be elected as dogcatcher or anything else.

[qdouble]

56. your opinions are not facts

Bernie doesn't care about the emails and the vast majority of Democrats don't care about the emails. Republicans and a few bernie zealots do. Get over it.

[2pooped2pop]

61. bernie does care about the emails

He said he didn't want to have them in the debates but that they should be investigated. And really, did you think that if you said Bernie doesn't care about those emails, I would say "oh, then neither do I" Bernie supporters don't walk in lockstep and repeat the same disinformation like "no one cares about those emails."

They sure as hell do care and the republicans will use them to mop the floor with HRH

[qdouble]

62. I'm sure you may want Donald Trump to win

but the majority of polling shows that he will lose, especially those that analyze state by state matchups. If you want to practice magical thinking, that's fine...but that doesn't mean the rest of the party does.

[2pooped2pop]

74. of course I don't want trump to win.

And every poll I have seen shows Hillary losing or barely squeaking by him. The dem party is gone. Hillary will have fucked it all up.

[hamsterjill]

36. Having a little temper tantrum, perhaps?

Did you have a bad night last night? Aw....I'm sorry.

Very ugly thing for you to have written in your post.

[2pooped2pop]

46. someone says something truthful and you feel the need to inject a

childlike quality to it? Did you read your post? Why don't you just use Hilleryease and say "it's silly'

[hamsterjill]

49. Your profanity was insulting.

I read YOUR post and it was insulting to me as a lifelong Democrat. Truthful? No. Your post is opinion at best.

There is no excuse for broad brush insults like you made in your first post.

[2pooped2pop]

51. yes, yes there is.

[BlueCaliDem]

50. Yeah...that's why she won WITH THE MAJORITY OF DEMS last night.

[Trajan]

33. This is extremely disappointing ...

I have never been more disappointed about a Democratic Party front runner since ... Dukakis ....

My first vote was 1974 .... Some 40 years later, we've hit bottom ...

Sad ....

[Stuckinthebush]

58. I would have been the same with Sanders

Very disappointed. But my candidate is the presumptive nominee this time. We've all been disappointed in politics. We all have dealt with it and moved on. This time mine won and I'm pleased because I won't have to hold my nose and vote for Sanders in the general.

[Smarmie Doofus]

37. Unfortunately, it says "Stick 'em up!"

But it's ok.... we're used to that at this point.

[BlueCaliDem]

39. In solidarity, LaydeeBug! Onward, upward, and FORWARD to defeat Trump and win the White House

AND break that thick glass ceiling!

[Orsino]

42. Let's make her get with us.

Lobby hard.

[vi5]

44. You're right but the fact is.....

We are pretty much fucked in the general election. And no, I'm not even close to a Bernie Bro or whatever you want to call them. I think we were ultimately fucked no matter which of these two candidates we selected.

I'm a fan of a big slate of options and candidates representing so much of what should be (but is no longer) the Democrats former "big tent" membership and constituencies.

Instead we've turned into just as much of a cult of personality as the Republicans have.

[YoungDemCA]

55. K&R nt

[ThePhilosopher04]

59. Not with her. She will not be President.

[NastyRiffraff]

63. Righteous post, LaydeeBug

We stand together with Hillary. Those who wish to will stand with us. Those who don't, well, see ya!

[Squinch]

64. Glad to stand with you!

[workinclasszero]

73. On to the GE...its time to kick republican ass again!

Thanks for your support!

[Maedhros]

76. How does Sanders campaigning hurt Hillary?

Besides, Hillary is not the most important consideration. Working to make sure progressive policy is implemented is far more important than shoring up Hillary for the General Election.

[pdsimdars]

77. Polly want a cracker . . . Parrot talking points much?

buh bye.

[kstewart33]

80. Good to know. Thanks for posting your support! nt

[litlbilly]

81. Give me a break with this crap.

[litlbilly]

82. the writing on the wall: Bernies takes CA and OR by over 78%, that should take care

of any doubts you might have.

[LaydeeBug]

85. LOL!!! nt

[grossproffit]

93. Oh dear.

[Maru Kitteh]

84. K&R for Madame President! Come join the Hillary group too!

Thanks for the post

[ibegurpard]

87. Too bad she's not with you

[mcar]

94. I'm with her!

[lanlady]

97. Me too

I took a serious look at Sanders but his lack of specifics and lackluster Senate career turned me away. Hillary has the intellect, experience, and skills to be our next president and I feel so privileged to live in an era when a woman can rise to be leader of the free world.

I am PUMPED!!!

[Vattel]

100. She has earned my disrespect.

[MFM008]

101. the yellow haired bloated orange man awaits.

[LaydeeBug]

107. My father used to call him a "yam". nt