Woke up this morning, logged on and went straight to

[MineralMan]

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/D

Here's what I found there:

Clinton, Hillary Diane Rodham 12,248,297 56.46% 1,651 40.76%
Sanders, Bernard "Bernie" 9,102,979 41.96% 1,346 33.23%

Over 3 million popular votes and 300 pledged delegates ahead.

This primary season is over, for all intents and purposes. Both names will still be on the ballot in the 15 remaining states, but the percentage ratios you see above are likely to stay almost exactly the same, right through California and DC. How hard Sanders and Clinton will campaign going forward remains to be seen, but the results will be similar to the existing results, within a couple of percentage points from here on out.

I'm moving on to General Election mode. The writing is clearly visible on the wall.

[hrmjustin]

1. The primary is over.

[GoldenThunder]

88. Abandon the workers of America...

...and your political future is over as well.

[brooklynite]

105. Good thing Hillary Clinton is so popular with Unions...

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

153. And with non-union tech workers as well.

Her H1B visa policy is loved by many.

[eridani]

156. The only endorsements she has ever gotten from unions were from the leadership

Whenever members get a chance to weigh in,, Sanders gets the endorsement.

[Agnosticsherbet]

2. Very well said.

[Trust Buster]

3. To rational thinking posters, it's over.

[grossproffit]

4. +1

[uponit7771]

11. +1

[B Calm]

5. They assassinated Robert Kennedy in June,

using Hillary logic when she ran against Obama. It's not over yet, she has still not won the nomination.

[Squinch]

9. If I recall correctly, she was much closer to Obama at the time than Sanders has been

to her at any time during this election.

Oh, and haven't the Sanders supporters been saying that she was evil for saying that?

[pnwmom]

148. Much, much closer. And she had switched her focus to going after the GOP. n/t

[Squinch]

150. Yes. She campaigned hard for Obama. She was very impressive.

Someone here said recently that it is in defeat that we find out who we really are.

[MineralMan]

10. Perish the thought, and shame on you for

inserting it into this thread. Ugly business, indeed.

[B Calm]

13. Shame on me for using Hillary logic!

[MineralMan]

16. Shame on anyone who suggests it.

When Clinton implied that in 2008, I said that she was "too stupid to be elected." I was right. She wouldn't say such a thing now. It may have cost her the election then.

[B Calm]

17. Totally agree. That's a good reason not to vote for her now.

[Demsrule86]

71. I think you miss the point of a primary

you choose a candidate and then you elect that person. Hillary is the candidate, and you can bet, I and many others will vote for her. If Sander's had won, I would vote for him...I must add Sanders has been very annoying to me...but I would still do it because I am a democrat and I know the damage a GOP presidency would do.

[yallerdawg]

58. She was being asked about how long she was going to contest the primary.

She made the observation Robert Kennedy was campaigning in June as a well-known historical reference in that context.

What she actually said in context:

[Svafa]

106. I've seen it in context and it is no less tasteless.

[yallerdawg]

110. "Tasteless" is a far cry from implying she stayed in the race in case of assassination.

I mean, we're all adults here. We can see she was making a point about how so many candidates stayed in the race to the end.

Why the higher standard for her?

The tastelessness is taking those words out of context and ginning it up as another false narrative. And all these years later, it goes on and on unquestionably. Another special feature that applies singularly to Hillary. I wonder why?

[Svafa]

117. There is no higher standard for her.

It was flat-out tacky to talk about the possibility of assassination, regardless of who said it. And her implication that something positive for Clinton (her winning the presidency) could come of something so horrific is disturbing. Just another example of Clinton caring about nothing except getting elected.

[yallerdawg]

121. Didn't you say you watched the video?

"Her implication" is non-existent.

And then you go on an unwarranted, unsubstantiated Hillary Hate tirade.

"Caring about nothing except getting elected."

This is why GD-P is just a giant heap of revolting garbage as far as debate and conversation with so-called Bernie supporters has devolved to for the last year.

[Svafa]

123. Yes, I've seen it many times.

She listed historical instances (one of them being the assassination of RFK), with the implication that any of them could happen again, to justify her staying in the race.

As a side note, it is kind of funny to rewatch the video now and hear her actually say "you should be willing to campaign for every vote; you should be willing to debate any time, anywhere," though!

[yallerdawg]

130. There is no implication!!!

She is just pointing out how many previous candidates have been in the race through California.

She also points out she remained in a contested election and was leading in the popular vote.

And I think it is obvious Bernie had as many debates as he could stand!

Maybe Hillary should debate Martin O'Malley? That'd make as much sense.

[Svafa]

135. Do you know what the definition of "imply" is?

It doesn't mean "to come right out and say." Of course she doesn't come out and say, "Obama could get assassinated!" But just by bringing up the example of RFK in this context, she is implying that the same could happen to Obama.

By arguing that she should stay in the race and then floating out historical examples of people who have stayed in the race or events that have had a significant impact on the nomination (i.e., assassination), she is clearly insinuating that any of those scenarios could play out in the Clinton/Obama race.

[yallerdawg]

143. That is an incredible leap in context!

More of the unfounded speculation and innuendo that forms the basis of this constant bile of Hillary Hate.

She implied no such thing. She stated a fact. Great, notable icons of the Democratic Party campaigned to the end of the primary! Why was she being singled out to end her campaign and why was she not ending it already? For example Bill Clinton and Robert Kennedy.

Going anywhere else with this is in your head - not Hillary's!

WATCH THE VIDEO!

[Svafa]

145. I watched the video. Multiple times.

At this point, I have to simply believe that you are doing nothing but being intentionally obtuse. You know very well that you will find few people, even Clinton supporters, who agree with you (most Clinton supporters will admit that this was at least a gaffe/poor choice of words).

Good day.

[Squinch]

152. It's what some Sanders supporters do. They make shit up and then hate Hillary because of the

shit they made up about her.

Or they ascribe all kinds of evil motives to the Hillary supporters they are talking to and then hate the person because of the motives they themselves made up.

I really think this is a lot of the reason they lost.

[StevieM]

112. That's not what she said nor is it what she had implied.

That story was never about Hillary introducing this argument and other people then responding to it. It was an attack on Hillary from the first moment the smear was introduced.

Hillary wasn't answering a question about whether she could still win the race. She was answering a question about whether it was damaging to party unity to have a race still not wrapped up by June. She gave examples of other primaries that were still going on in June. She mentioned her husband's race. She mentioned the 1968 race, and she accented the word JUNE.

There wasn't even a conversation taking place about whether or not she could still win.

Hillary, for better or worse, had rejected the argument that the pledged delegate winner was the rightful nominee. She had rejected it for months, and the Obama supporters criticized her for rejecting it. The assertion you are making is premised on the notion that Hillary was in agreement with the PD count argument.

2008 was the first time that the PD winner was regarded as the de facto automatic winner and that pledged delegates were treated as the equivalent of electoral votes. A new precedent was set in that election. The last race that had been close enough to make it an issue was in 1984, which was just 12 years after the people started picking then nominees in 1972.

So it was to be expected that in 2008 there would still be contention over that point. Clinton and her supporters were pointing to other standards, like who won the states that, taken together, constituted a majority of the electoral college in the general election.

[B Calm]

113. She went there!

[StevieM]

134. Nope. She didn't. (eom)

[B Calm]

138. Rewriting history is a conservative trait.

[StevieM]

142. I disputed this line of attack eight years ago when it was first made against her.

Acting like you have ownership over history, and anyone who disagrees with you is rewriting history, is a conservative trait.

[B Calm]

144. LOL go for it.

[uponit7771]

12. Yes, shame on you but at least its creative

[Buzz Clik]

20. +1

[kstewart33]

27. Time for a redirection.

If you have to go over the line to promote your candidate, that is a sure sign of unfortunate desperation.

It is over. Accept it and move on to helping to build the movement into something that's well worth your time - into a liberal movement that can actually achieve change.

[B Calm]

28. Just reminding people how low Hillary got campaigning

against Obama.

[kstewart33]

33. Okay.

And losing is a real bummer. I just hope that the tenor of this forum will change in the next few weeks, and that Bernie and his staff turn to building the movement.

If he does that, his legacy will really mean something.

[bkkyosemite]

31. Hillary does not have a movement to build on. She is the establishment elite who does not

care about the people. Wait til she brings on SS cuts and...the other Corporate wants she will surprise you people...I'm voting for Bernie in Oregon. My ballot comes out on my b-day the 29th.

[Squinch]

46. Again, this idea that she supports SS cuts is something you got directly from the Republican

spin machine. Do yourself a favor and try to find any time where she says anything like that. You won't find it.

What she has said is that she wants to increase the lowest out-pays from SS so that the poorest elderly and disabled get more money.

[Sheepshank]

78. Not only does this poster consistently appropriate RW talking points

they go to great lengths to promote those here on DUP. One must wonder why?

[emulatorloo]

79. It is a just a retread of Manny's claim that Obama was going to cut social security

He started up with that nonsense on Day 1 of Obama admin.

[Squinch]

80. Well, Manny was something in sheep's clothing. I still don't know what he was under all that wool.

[eridani]

157. Which is exactly the bullshit that Pet Petersen spounted in 2010

It means "Cut Social Security, but replace the losses for those in the lowest quintile."

[Squinch]

159. No, it doesn't mean anything like that. It means raise the floor. You know, like raising

the minimum wage.

Do yourself a favor and look for yourself. Try and find anywhere where she said anything about cutting social security. You won't.

[eridani]

162. What she said in the first debate was exaclty what Pete Petersen said in 2010

That is, using concern about people in the lowest quintile to justify cutting Social Security for everyone else. In the same debate she allowed the possibility of raising the eligibility age.

[George II]

67. She never said or even hinted that she'll cut Social Security. Where did you get that?

[Human101948]

154. She has left a lot of wiggle room on that issue...

But she also left the door open to raising the retirement age if there were a way to exclude people who are not working labor-intensive jobs, while at the same time not fully endorsing simply raising the tax cap, which would ensure the system is fully funded going forward.

... Clinton is not outright endorsing a clear hike in the retirement age like many of the Republicans are. But while she also seems to be open to raising the tax cap, she is not giving a figure or specific plan yet, and is making the suggestion that raising payroll taxes on families that earn over $100,000 would be an “extra burden” to those people, when actually the increase would be fairly modest.

Opening the door to any hike in the retirement age or offering opposition to simply eliminating the tax cap would put her out of step with most Americans on this issue, according to polls.

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/say-it-aint-so-hillary-clinton-youre-open-idea-raising-retirement-age

Raising the retirement age is a cut in Social Security.

[George II]

155. To those looking for something to criticize, that's "wiggle room". As a matter of fact she NEVER...

....said she would raise the retirement age. What are the words she used to say "that"?

[fleur-de-lisa]

34. Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

On Wed Apr 27, 2016, 07:18 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

They assassinated Robert Kennedy in June,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1848366

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Offensive and inappropriate.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Apr 27, 2016, 07:25 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The OP was more offensive. Leave it.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: want to hide the truth? Clinton stayed in until she got the Sec of State deal from Obama.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
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[B Calm]

90. Thanks, they don't like being reminded of how damn low Hillary can go. I cried my eyes

out the day when Bobby Kennedy was shot, but Hillary went there!

[cwydro]

42. That's awful to talk about assassination in regard to ANY candidate.

Shame on you.

Many of us remember the assassinations of the 60s. Perhaps you don't

Smh.

[B Calm]

94. Tell that to Hillary!

[cwydro]

100. So if someone you despise says something despicable, that means it's fine for you to say it?

Do I have that right? My moral bar is a little higher than that.

I'd love to see a link to Hillary saying that, btw.

[B Calm]

107. No, but some need to be reminded of where she went.

[B Calm]

111. Oh and here's your link you requested.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/24/us/politics/24clinton.html?_r=0

[ViseGrip]

53. They dont' have to assinate anymore, they have control of OUR voting machines....get it?

Hillary is soooooo sold out, as they fixed it for her. And it's more exposed now than in 2002-2004-2006.

Good. Reuters poll says over have polled think it's fixed. Waking from the slumber....

[George II]

65. Are you hoping that Clinton get assassinated?

[B Calm]

91. Not me, you?

[Demsrule86]

70. Really

Honestly there are no words.

[fun n serious]

83. What are you suggesting?

This is disgusting-.

[B Calm]

93. Just reminding Hillary supporters who voted for Obama on how dirty she is.

[pnwmom]

149. I voted for Obama and thought they both handled it very well.

[B Calm]

151. I voted for Obama too and thought she should of had never said that.

[frylock]

85. I like how you're being shamed for quoting Mrs Clinton.

Should be fun watching Trump get under people's skin by doing the same.

[B Calm]

92. I know, it's cracking me up!

[Marr]

124. I love the righteous, pearl-clutching indignance.

"How DARE you???"

[B Calm]

125. LOL

[anigbrowl]

115. Well, we'll worry about that circumstance if and when it arises

Should someone assassinate Hillary Clinton I'm pretty sure the Democratic part could respond to that circumstance rather than falling into paralysis and failing to come up with another candidate.

[dsc]

137. actually her logic was the opposite

Olberman had his history wrong. Kennedy was behind, as in the opposite of ahead, as in the other guy (Humphrey) lead. It was Kennedy who was staying in, in case something happened to Humphrey.

[HumanityExperiment]

6. Does HRC have the required delegaste count to earn nomination right now, today?

Odd that HRC supporters want to pivot to GE before the nomination is earned, until that moment arrives when at convention the SDs can vote she hasn't won now has she? Since clearly you like facts and data, this point isn't lost on you is it?

HRC and her supporters really want to pivot away from the issues as it pertains to DEM platform and defining that platform going into convention, why is that?

[Squinch]

8. .

[HumanityExperiment]

26. ...

have a day!

[MineralMan]

14. Completely irrelevant, given the support from superdelegates.

Their votes won't change. Add them in. I'm only posting pledged delegates. I leave the superdelegates out of it. They will vote for the candidate with the majority of pledged delegates, which Hillary Clinton will have, easily.

[Bluenorthwest]

23. Actually the delegate count is all that is relevant, irrelevant applies to touting the popular vote

in a contest that does not use the popular vote as metric and which does not even involve a tally of all votes cast, caucus States do not always report the raw numbers so the total is not even accurate. You know all of that. Coy looks really silly on anyone over 60.

[kstewart33]

29. You continue to push something that even Bernie is not pushing.

Last night in his concession statement, he did not mention what he always talks about: a 'path to victory.'

There is no path and Bernie knows it.

It's time now for him to pivot and start building the movement into something permanent that can actually achieve what matters.

Hopefully in the next couple of weeks, Bernie supporters on this forum will begin to realize that and stop fighting in a race that is already lost.

[bkkyosemite]

32. You work for the MSM ???? Cuz that's what they say too. It was not a concession speech.

[kstewart33]

41. Okay. Let's come back to this in a couple of weeks.

Maybe we should drop the back and forth for awhile.

[HumanityExperiment]

25. 'irrelevant'....

that puts HRC and her supporters perception of Bernie and his supporters into one word they display with their OPs and replies, especially here

"want to pivot away from the issues as it pertains to DEM platform and defining that platform going into convention, why is that?"
isn't 'irrelevant' it's central, so again, why is that?

[leftofcool]

132. Hillary will decide the Party Platform and she is not pivoting away from issues

It is a wise move for her to go into GE mode.

[HumanityExperiment]

139. LOL...

Like that statement is of any surprise coming from an HRC supporter

She's trying to pivot away from an issues based discussion to a GE rhetoric based DEM v GOP based attack / feint 'discussion'
gotta feed that reality tv based consumerism that's rampant within the US

[Demsrule86]

72. Yes

Just like Obama ...the supers will vote for the candidate that has the most delegates. Clinton has the popular vote wich was discounted by the Supers in 08, but Bernie had neither. So yes...and they will switch to her before the convention.

[HumanityExperiment]

77. SDs don't vote UNTIL convention...

so your 'point' lacks basis as it pertains the the primary voting cycle, the issues debate and rules as set forth by DEM party

[MineralMan]

104. None of the delegates do.

Then, they all vote at the same time, state-by-state.

[HumanityExperiment]

108. Defelection on the point...

Primary involves delegates from each state election which is the point made, SDs aren't bound until the convention when they vote

So HRC hasn't earned the nomination and won't based upon proportional outcomes from all the preceding state primaries.. if trends hold and I fully expect they will, she has to wait until convention to earn the nomination using SDs

Do you dispute this fact?

[MineralMan]

109. My friend, if you think that most superdelegates will somehow

change their minds as to whom they support, you're dreaming. Most are House members and Senators. They're pretty politically savvy people, or they wouldn't be where they are. They also are politicians and understand all of this election stuff. If you hear a Senator or House member say he or she supports Hillary Clinton, be assured that that person will use their superdelegate vote as he or she says.

The rest are high-level Democratic Party officials, with a few Democratic Governors mixed in. Again, they're all very politically savvy and aren't going to suddenly change their minds. It doesn't matter if some semi-anonymous people threaten them or declare they won't vote for them again. They're not concerned. They will vote as they think best, and most have already stated who they support.

Believing that the superdelegates, all political people, are going to switch to the candidate with fewer votes than the other is a fantasy. It will not occur. When the first ballot is taken at the convention, you watch. They'll all vote as they said they would. Count on it.

[HumanityExperiment]

114. I didn't state that, you're jumping the shark...

HRC hasn't earned the nomination this is a fact, based upon proportional delegate outcomes from the primaries, she will not have enough delegates until the SDs come into play at the convention

Remember '68 convention? Remember why SDs were created? Yeah... what comes around goes around...

I don't 'believe', I know, understanding the history and role of SDs is enough, my pointing out the facts is just that, pointing out the facts and reality of the situation as it concerns this primary cycle...

I fully expect Bernie to make his case all through and into convention... will this cause HRC and her supporters fits? maybe, will it focus the issues concerning DEM platform and planks, absolutely

Do HRC and her supporters get concerned by keeping focus on issues rather than pivot to GE rhetoric? yep... the OPs will roll out like clockwork on this very point as long as Bernie remains in primary mode through to convention

Enjoy the ride!

[MineralMan]

116. Oh, I intend to fully enjoy the ride. This will be another historic

election, like 2008 was. It's going to generate a huge turnout. Don't believe me? Just watch.

[HumanityExperiment]

122. Ahh I see, image over issues...

You're one of those type DEMs, got it

On issues HRC is GOP light, on image she'd be the first female prez

Your 'position' and postings make complete sense when taken in with that image context

[Squinch]

7. Another very interesting statistic from there: Hillary, as you say 12,248,297, Drumpf 10,121,657

It isn't enough to make me lose my terror at the possibility of a Drumpf election, and we MUST do the work from here till November, but it's a start.

[MineralMan]

15. Yes. We need to help Hillary win in a landslide and bring

the Senate along with her. She'll add House members to the count, as well.

[eridani]

158. She has zero coattails. The Republican women who are grossed out by Trump and NOT--

--going to vote for Dems down-ticket.

[gordianot]

22. There needs to be major bridge repair of Mandella proportions.

[Squinch]

24. There will not be. Sanders supporters need to stop thinking that she will now cater to them

and they can hold a knife to her throat because they feel bad they lost.

The reasonable Sanders supporters will recognize that her record and Sanders's in actual votes are very similar and will come over. Others will not. That is an accepted fact.

[bkkyosemite]

35. They aspirations are very different and so are the supporters of both camps.

[Squinch]

43. "Supporters of both camps" is a battle that has been fought and decided. There is only

one camp now. A person can either be in it or not.

And no, that's got nothing to do with loyalty oaths or getting in line or whatever other jingo might come to mind.

It's just reality.

[gordianot]

48. That is truly a winning strategy.

It has worked well enough for Republicans.

[Squinch]

49. It isn't a strategy. It is a simple statement of reality.

[gordianot]

54. And our flaws are in ourselves not the Stars.

Deterministic nonsense, ignore who or what turns the wheel at your own peril.

[Squinch]

81. Oh, Lordy.

[onehandle]

18. Same here. GE Mode... Activated. An aside, one of my high school girlfriends was named 'Diane.' nt

[MineralMan]

36. My most serious HS girlfriend had a sister named Diana.

She married my best friend in high school, and they're still together, over 50 years later. My old girlfriend went on to other things, but we still stay in contact once in a while to keep up with each others' lives.

[workinclasszero]

19. "Over 3 million popular votes and 300 pledged delegates ahead."

The people have expressed their will at the ballot box....but do the Sanders fans really care about that?

Time will tell I suppose.

[Punkingal]

21. Please do. Move, that is.

[kstewart33]

30. Don't get nasty.

MMan isn't going anywhere.

It's time to turn the page and focus on what really matters - growing the movement into a permanent entity that gets things done.

[bkkyosemite]

39. Bernie's movement has nothing to do with Hillary's rigged nomination if she gets it.

Apples and Oranges.

[MineralMan]

40. I'm always moving, but won't be moving away from DU.

I've been here too long to do that. Your suggestion is noted, though.

[kstewart33]

45. MMan, how long for you?

I joined in 2001 but left for awhile. You?

[MineralMan]

47. I joined late in 2008, so not as long.

Someone will be along shortly, I'm sure, to tell you that I used to post on Free Republic. I was banned there in 2006 for "anti-freeping," which accurately describes what I was doing there.

[Punkingal]

59. Neither will I.

[MineralMan]

68. Has anyone asked you to? Not me.

[Punkingal]

74. Bernie supporters are told to leave on a daily basis, as you must have noticed.

[MineralMan]

76. So? I haven't asked any of them to leave.

On the other hand, you did tell me to leave. Think about that, if you would. This thread is not about that in any way.

[Punkingal]

89. No, I said move. LOL

[Squinch]

82. Actually, they aren't. They MAY be told that they are not being realistic, but I haven't seen

anyone tell anyone else to leave.

Well, other than you.

[PufPuf23]

37. Nixon won in 1968 and 1972, Reagan won in 1980 and 1984, and

GW Bush won in 2004 >

Results matter and not always for the good.

The coming months may be interesting.

[Armstead]

38. Clinton and Democrats Good. Trump and GOP bad. Nothing Else matters.

I hope the General Election mode doesn'lt devolve into that,.

[MineralMan]

44. That's going to be a general theme for the GE.

Count on it. There's much truth in that, actually, if you actually stop and think about it. I hope everyone does stop and think about the differences between Trump and Clinton. They're telling.

[ecstatic]

50. I hope Bernie does the right thing tonight. As Plouffe stated last week,

taking donations without a path is fraud.

Then when you factor in Trump--the stakes are really too high at this point. There's no more time for games and egos. We can't sit by and watch a mentally unstable man become president. He's a loose canon--we don't know what he'd do... But I trust the people who remember WW2 and are sounding the alarm about how similar Trump's rhetoric is to Hitler's.

[MineralMan]

52. Trump is the wild card. Who he is will get most people

to vote for Clinton. And that includes a lot of Republicans who aren't teabaggers. Sane people will not vote for a mentally unbalanced President, I'm quite certain.

On to November!

[2pooped2pop]

51. congrats

be sure to pat yourself on the back when the impeachment hearings start. If she ever gets that far.

[MineralMan]

55. There's no reason to congratulate me at all.

Congratulations should go to Hillary Clinton. She's the one running. I have one vote. I had literally nothing to do with this.

Impeachment? Not happening.

[2pooped2pop]

56. if she should win, she WILL be impeached

count on it.

[MineralMan]

57. Nonsense. A President can only be impeached

for actions taken as President. Your prediction is way premature. She isn't President yet.

[gordianot]

60. That is 100% correct timing is everything.

Remember Spiro Agnew impeachment was not necessary.

[2pooped2pop]

62. and never should be.

She is a liability.

[Demsrule86]

73. not appropriate

WE don't want Dems to be impeached.

[2pooped2pop]

84. then you should have voted for one with less baggage

[Turin_C3PO]

61. I've always been in GE mode lol.

I support Sanders and his agenda considerably more than I do Clinton's but I do like her and prefer to attack Republicans rather than Dems.

[George II]

63. But the superdelegates don't vote until they get to the convention...

...

[MineralMan]

64. And then, they do vote.

They vote at the same time as the other delegates from each state.

[George II]

66. How many will Tad and Jeff convince to flip over to Sanders? Are they pressuring this particular...

...superdelegate to flip - William Jefferson Clinton?

The way they've run this campaign I would be surprised if they try doing that!

[MineralMan]

69. None, I think.

They're all serious adults. They know their own minds, I'm quite certain.

[Demsrule86]

75. they pledge

It was after they switched/pledged to Obama that Hillary dropped out. There was no path for her. She was much closer in delegates and had won the popular vote...Sanders has nothing to sway the supers other than polls ...eight months out are meaningless. Heis finished. And should show the grace to get out as soon as possible. He can do no good.

[hamsterjill]

86. I agree.

I am going to try my best to simply disregard any posts that pretend otherwise.

Hillary will be the nominee, and it's time for those of us who are Democrats to get behind her, support her, and help her win the Presidency.

[Gothmog]

87. The primary contest is over

[B Calm]

95. Nope you are incorrect. Neither Hillary or Bernie have the required amount

of delegates to secure the nomination. Until one does, the primary continues.

[Gothmog]

98. Denial is not just a river in Africa

[B Calm]

99. Are you saying I'm a liar?

[Squinch]

119. You just pulled that directly out of...somewhere. Because that's clearly not what the poster was

saying. And I am pretty sure you know that.

[B Calm]

120. Then why don't you tell us what the poster I was replying to meant to say.

[Squinch]

127. He is saying, rather clearly, that you are in denial. Which does seem to be the case.

[B Calm]

128. I was stating a fact, you calling me a liar?

[Squinch]

129. Oh, for fuck's sake. You are just dying to be called a liar. What? Do you get points for that?

No one has called you a liar. Get over it.

[B Calm]

131. No one has won the Democratic nominee. Quit pretending that someone has

and we'll get along just fine.

[Squinch]

133. It's over. Hillary won. If denying obvious reality is what you require of people in order for you

to get along with them, count me out.

Now go ahead. Ask me if I'm calling you a liar.

[B Calm]

136. It's not over.

[Beacool]

96. The Clinton campaign has pivoted to the general election.

So will her supporters. That doesn't mean that Sanders doesn't have the right to stay until the last state has voted. The primaries are not officially over and he should be treated with respect. Remember that we will all need to unite against the real enemy, the Republicans and Trump.

[MineralMan]

97. Well, it's in the process of pivoting, anyhow.

It will take some time to make the complete turn, though. I agree with your last sentence, though, 100%.

[k8conant]

101. Bye! Enjoy your mode and reading.

[MineralMan]

102. Well, that was enlightening...

[chillfactor]

103. unreal....

some redneck bernie supporters still trying to be ugly posters because their candidate will not get the nomination.....what is WRONG with you rednecks? WE are Democrats...when did you leave the party?

[Stuckinthebush]

118. Many never were

And neve planned on being Dems. Kind of like Sanders. Never a Dem and won't change his affiliation after he loses the nomination.

[mcar]

126. K&R

[ymetca]

140. Weird this whole "accept our candidate"

.. meme .. reminds me of the Borg Collective.

Democracy should never stop arguing about its leaders, don't you think?

[MineralMan]

141. Hmm...I've never been much of a Trekkie.

As I understand it, that was all fiction. Right?

We have these things called elections here. That's when people stop arguing and vote as they choose. I suggest that is not similar to any fictional hive mind thing.

Not voting and letting things just happen seems more hive-like to me, somehow.

Maybe you should rethink or start reading and watching non-fiction.

[ymetca]

163. What makes democracy

Any less of a fiction than the money that runs it?

[Logical]

146. Lol, ok, feel better? Nt

[MineralMan]

147. I feel fine, thanks.

I'm an old man, but I do pretty well most days. I have a bit of arthritis in my hips, and suppose I'll have to go bionic with those in a few years. I don't run well, but then, I never did. All of my systems are working well in general, at least for now.

I sleep well, and wake up refreshed every morning. I can still put in a full day of the work I do, and I'm still getting better at it. So, I guess, I'm feeling pretty darned good, considering.

Thanks for asking. That was very kind of you, but I'm OK, so no need to worry about me.

On the other hand, you could give some thought to my parents, who are 91 years old now. They're still living at home, and my father is still out on the tractor, as needed. But, they're slowing down. They don't hear so well any more, and my Mom is getting a little forgetful. They don't have a lot of energy, usually. They seem to be wearing out. I'm concerned about them, so I call them every afternoon at the end of my work day, and we talk about whatever comes up.

BTW, they've been Republicans for decades, but they'll be voting for Hillary in November. Neither of them can stand Trump.

Nice to chat with you, as always.

[Scurrilous]

160. K & R

[MineralMan]

161. Thanks!