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Robert Reich: Don't Bank on All of Bernie's Supporters Making an Easy Switch to Hillary. (Original Post) elleng Apr 2016 OP
Let's just make concrete efforts to minimize election fraud; snot Apr 2016 #1
Vigilance and no horse pucky in the remaining contests, elleng Apr 2016 #2
my guess would be about 20% of Bernie's supporters will go Hillary if she is nominee azurnoir Apr 2016 #3
That's low. Chan790 Apr 2016 #4
I think some folks just do not understand that a good deal of Sanders supporters azurnoir Apr 2016 #5
I wish I could K & R your post 1000 times! I've been a Bernie supporter for years. sueh Apr 2016 #8
Thank you azurnoir Apr 2016 #19
Actually 80% of Bernie voters in Iowa told Hortensis Apr 2016 #50
ah ya right go with that and I do not base my opinions on DU azurnoir Apr 2016 #51
We are all affected and reflected by the crowds Hortensis Apr 2016 #53
ah ha azurnoir Apr 2016 #54
Bernie is the only reason I gave a fuck. frylock Apr 2016 #72
and keep in mind elleng Apr 2016 #10
We're in for a Trump presidency. seekthetruth Apr 2016 #22
That is what I am hearing when I ask around emsimon33 Apr 2016 #24
Indi's and some Dems who have become very disillusioned with the Party azurnoir Apr 2016 #25
"Ugly"?? Child porn, lying, arrogantly and blatantly cheating emsimon33 Apr 2016 #26
If SCOTUS adds 3 more ultra right justices, the "establishment" oasis Apr 2016 #6
Right, and we all know that, elleng Apr 2016 #7
lefties should be able to figure out they can mount a comeback with a oasis Apr 2016 #11
DNC wouldn't allow her to be primaried. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #43
Why would anyone who switched from Independent to Democrat... Kalidurga Apr 2016 #9
I do not know how to read this election. snowy owl Apr 2016 #12
You may be right about how he'd perform, elleng Apr 2016 #15
I have heard this same sentiment from many Bernie Dems & Independents emsimon33 Apr 2016 #18
& HRC went out of her way to disrespect Sanders and indies. DNC disrespects independents. snowy owl Apr 2016 #13
Exactly, and SO MANY appear to disregard that fact. elleng Apr 2016 #14
They are now the largest "party" affiliation now emsimon33 Apr 2016 #23
I'm switching after our local/state primary. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #45
I hear that from so many Dems across the country emsimon33 Apr 2016 #47
I know a lot of people leaving the party. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #52
40 years here too and I'll sadly be doing the same. nt Live and Learn Apr 2016 #67
Here too. kiva Apr 2016 #70
In closed primary states independents can't vote in the republican primary either. pampango Apr 2016 #62
I think the time has come for independents to have their own primary. Lars39 Apr 2016 #66
Closer to not emsimon33 Apr 2016 #16
Thanks for this revealing post, emsimon33; elleng Apr 2016 #17
Perhaps "surprising" is a better word emsimon33 Apr 2016 #21
I knew high school kids who were ALL IN for Gene McCarthy. And George McGovern. MADem Apr 2016 #30
Times are very different right now emsimon33 Apr 2016 #36
Thank you azurnoir Apr 2016 #20
Ah, the bitter, negative, angry, flailing shit flinging begins! MADem Apr 2016 #27
The problem for Hillary is that many of us have grown up and gotten over it azurnoir Apr 2016 #28
You can lead, you can follow... or you can get out of the way and let those of who will do, do. MADem Apr 2016 #32
I pointed out a fact I will not be standing on the sidelines funny how you keep bring up '72 though azurnoir Apr 2016 #34
You do realize that 72 is the reason WHY we have Super Delegates? MADem Apr 2016 #37
Lol will you bolding your next post as you did below ps there was no DNC in '72 azurnoir Apr 2016 #40
Are you serious? MADem Apr 2016 #44
so by DNC you meant the Democratic Nation Convention not the Democratic National Committee azurnoir Apr 2016 #46
No--I meant DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE--the DNC. You are embarrassing yourself, now. MADem Apr 2016 #55
That's not what you were claiming in post #44 azurnoir Apr 2016 #56
Excuse me, but you can't have a party platform without having a DNC to craft it. MADem Apr 2016 #57
you claimed you were talking about the convention end of story azurnoir Apr 2016 #58
I did no such thing. I provided you a link to a convention with a platform that disproved your MADem Apr 2016 #59
Oh right, nothing more elleng Apr 2016 #29
Robert Reich's big finish.... MADem Apr 2016 #31
'The anti-establishment fury in the election of 2016 may prove greater than supposed.' elleng Apr 2016 #33
Yeah, but at the end of the day..... MADem Apr 2016 #35
But anyone who assumes a wholesale transfer of loyalty from Sanders’s supporters to Clinton, elleng Apr 2016 #38
"As I said, I expect most Sanders backers will still support Hillary Clinton if she’s the nominee." MADem Apr 2016 #41
Gosh, I hope that you are right, but I fear you may be counting on the past foretelling the future emsimon33 Apr 2016 #39
Those are the words of Robert Reich, not me. He's the one whining and griping, but at the end of MADem Apr 2016 #42
Most = 51%. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #48
Take it up with Reich. nt MADem Apr 2016 #49
So you are touting his words in a thread in which you opened by calling him 'Bro' disparagingly? Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #68
+ 1 JoePhilly Apr 2016 #65
Then they get the government they deserve Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #60
Reich is having a sad because there is no pathway for him to get a job in a Prez admin again. Hoyt Apr 2016 #61
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #63
Waa! Whimsey Apr 2016 #64
Hillary and her supporters say they don't need them and can win without them. ViseGrip Apr 2016 #69
AGREE! AGREE! AGREE! TRUST Is A Five Letter Word... ChiciB1 Apr 2016 #71

snot

(10,530 posts)
1. Let's just make concrete efforts to minimize election fraud;
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:30 AM
Apr 2016

suggestions as to how to do that welcome.

elleng

(130,973 posts)
2. Vigilance and no horse pucky in the remaining contests,
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:32 AM
Apr 2016

for one thing, and no calling eachother out; recognize fraud DOES take place, and has done.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
4. That's low.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:38 AM
Apr 2016

I estimate it'll be about 70%, most of those being "hold your nose and vote for what stinks less"

Unfortunately, I don't think Clinton can lose more than 10% of the Sanders voters and still safely count on the Obama 2008 states to go her way.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
5. I think some folks just do not understand that a good deal of Sanders supporters
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:41 AM
Apr 2016

have been holding their noses and voting for D most of their lives and Bernie gave them something they hadn't had in long time a candidate they could actually support

sueh

(1,826 posts)
8. I wish I could K & R your post 1000 times! I've been a Bernie supporter for years.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:48 AM
Apr 2016

It was a dream come true for me when he decided to run.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
50. Actually 80% of Bernie voters in Iowa told
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:32 AM
Apr 2016

a high-quality pollster that night that they were happy to have Hillary as their second choice. It was the upper 70s to another pollster in Vermont. These were "Bernie states."

DU's Bernie faction has a very skewed vision of what is happening. Most Bernie voters are liberals -- not radicals prone to exaggerating differences and denying commonality with other progressives.

The noise here does not at all reflect America's progressive community's comfort level with both Bernie and Hillary.

For that matter, I do not believe the pervasive mood here even reflects the true, average attitude of individuals who support Bernie on DU. People may join the crowd to express angry disappointment now, but don't hold your breath imagining most won't calm down and become more thoughtful between now and November. They will. I have faith in their basic good sense.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
53. We are all affected and reflected by the crowds
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:40 AM
Apr 2016

we choose to run with. DU's an urban square where armchair rioters, book club types, and various others intersect, separate, form into groups. Some come to trade ideas, some come to act out negative emotions with others, most to get their viewpoints reinforced by others who feel as they do. Many just sip drinks from the sidelines as they silently observe the scene.

 

seekthetruth

(504 posts)
22. We're in for a Trump presidency.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:16 AM
Apr 2016

I'm a Sanders supporter, and I cannot in good conscience support either party.

It was the fracking issue for me....and the heightened risk of war.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
25. Indi's and some Dems who have become very disillusioned with the Party
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:21 AM
Apr 2016

this has been an ugly primary to put it mildly

oasis

(49,389 posts)
6. If SCOTUS adds 3 more ultra right justices, the "establishment"
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:42 AM
Apr 2016

they create will last for decades.

elleng

(130,973 posts)
7. Right, and we all know that,
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:47 AM
Apr 2016

but the situation of the day, a powerful establishment and strongly held anti-establishment inclinations by both right- and left-wing voters, makes accurate predictions impossible. We cannot expect that REASON will prevail.

oasis

(49,389 posts)
11. lefties should be able to figure out they can mount a comeback with a
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:55 AM
Apr 2016

primary of HRC in four years. There can be no four year comeback against the Supreme Court should the 3+ vacancies be filled by a GOP president.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
43. DNC wouldn't allow her to be primaried.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:05 AM
Apr 2016

A progressive candidate could only challenge her as a third party candidate in the GE, in which case the Republican most likely wins...no difference.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
9. Why would anyone who switched from Independent to Democrat...
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:50 AM
Apr 2016

for the sole purpose of voting for Bernie go and vote for Hillary? Why would anyone who has serious issues with Hillary's ethics and her vote for the IWR vote for her?

I don't think the GE is gonna go the way that the DNC would like if they are dumb enough to give her the nomination.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
12. I do not know how to read this election.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:59 AM
Apr 2016

I'm not afraid of Trump. He does not want to embarrass himself. I think he'll be more of a democrat than a republican. I may have to eat a lot of crow but I just don't see him as the stupid and crazy guy that he's presented himself to be. Who will vote him? I don't know. Between Trump and Hillary, i really don't know.

elleng

(130,973 posts)
15. You may be right about how he'd perform,
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:07 AM
Apr 2016

but before he/we get there, right-t-buggers + right-disenchanted go for him, left- disenchanted go for Senator Sanders, and 'center,' establishment for hrc. Who wins??? How the heck this works in a state by state ELECTION?

emsimon33

(3,128 posts)
18. I have heard this same sentiment from many Bernie Dems & Independents
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:11 AM
Apr 2016

They have told me that they trust Trump more than they do Hillary. I think that the DNC may have really underestimated the base this time,

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
13. & HRC went out of her way to disrespect Sanders and indies. DNC disrespects independents.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:02 AM
Apr 2016

States with closed primaries disrespect independents. Independents are a lot of people to piss off.

emsimon33

(3,128 posts)
23. They are now the largest "party" affiliation now
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:18 AM
Apr 2016

And the number will grow exponentially, I fear, if Bernie is not the nominee. It may be the end of the Democratic Party which breaks my heart.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
45. I'm switching after our local/state primary.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:09 AM
Apr 2016

40 years Democrat... party leadership disgusts me, I'm switching to NPA.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
52. I know a lot of people leaving the party.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:39 AM
Apr 2016

It could go from 29% down to 22-23%. It's been on a gradual decline anyway.

kiva

(4,373 posts)
70. Here too.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:09 AM
Apr 2016

I've registered and voted Dem since 1974 and will switch to unaffiliated if/when Clinton gets the nomination.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
62. In closed primary states independents can't vote in the republican primary either.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 05:56 AM
Apr 2016

It's not just the Democratic primary that they can't vote in. I imagine Trump lost a lot of votes in closed primary states because independents and 'Reagan Democrats' could not vote for him.

Lars39

(26,109 posts)
66. I think the time has come for independents to have their own primary.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:59 AM
Apr 2016

Not sure how that would happen at state level, but independents need an equal chance.

emsimon33

(3,128 posts)
16. Closer to not
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:08 AM
Apr 2016

I was at a organizing meeting for Bernie in California this past weekend. There were twice as many people there as expected, so a large crowd. While waiting for the meeting to start, I asked who would vote for Hillary if she were the nominee and only one older woman raised her hand. When I asked the others why, the behavior of the DNC, the cheating in the primaries, the news blackout, the Super delegates pledging before the primary even started, and Hillary's record were among the reasons given. This was before people from Hillary's super pac put child porn on the most popular Bernie Facebook sites and the camera caught Bernie's votes declining. Most felt that the Democratic Party was no longer interested in their issues and, like the old Republican Party before it went off the rails, was now the Party of the wealthy donors, corporations, and Wall Street. Several even said they were so disgusted with the antics of the Party that they would actively work against Hillary's nomination and others noted that the Party should have thought about the Supreme Court nominees, etc. before they threw the primary.

I was shocked! Simply shocked at the responses. I have heard Joy Reed say that the liberals always come back and vote for the establishment candidate because what else are they going to do. I think, from what I am hearing, that too many people feel so alienated from the Party that they simply do not care what happens. They do not trust Hillary any more than they trust the Republicans. I was really shocked.

elleng

(130,973 posts)
17. Thanks for this revealing post, emsimon33;
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:11 AM
Apr 2016

it says a lot. Yes, shocking, but not surprising I think.

emsimon33

(3,128 posts)
21. Perhaps "surprising" is a better word
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:16 AM
Apr 2016

I meet high school students who can't even vote yet who are calling and canvassing for Bernie and they save their lunch money and are doing odd jobs to send more. The actions of the DNC and most of the state Democratic Parties will lose a whole generation of potential voters and we will become a party of old farts like the Republican Party. I can not believe how short sighted and arrogant the Party establishment is being. Also, of all the candidates still in the race, Bernie and Trump are the only two who have said that they would not play with or mess with Social Security. When a lot of us old Democratic farts realize this and Bernie is gone, even more Dems may desert!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
30. I knew high school kids who were ALL IN for Gene McCarthy. And George McGovern.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:43 AM
Apr 2016

And that's when the voting age was still 21.

Didn't do either of them much good, either.

Thing is, those kids are now approaching their golden years...and they are STILL DEMOCRATS. Just because their guys didn't win, didn't make them decide "Gosh, I guess I'll support the party of racism, hate, intolerance and oppression of women!"

Anyone who even presents that scenario as a possibility doesn't think much of those high school kids.

smh.

emsimon33

(3,128 posts)
36. Times are very different right now
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:53 AM
Apr 2016

We have social media now. These young people see the tally of Bernie votes switch right before them. They see the Bernie Facebook pages being taken down due to child porn. They hear Hillary when talking to Rachel Maddow say that she has the votes and that she doesn't need to give Bernie followers anything.

The Democratic Establishment is way under estimating the anger and frustration in the country.

I don't think that they will go to the Republican Party. I think they will go to the Green. They have expressed that it is clear to them that the Democratic Establishment does not want or value them.

It is sad and I hope that you are right, MADem. But I fear the worse for our Party.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
27. Ah, the bitter, negative, angry, flailing shit flinging begins!
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:37 AM
Apr 2016

Bro Robert needs to realize that a lot of people actually WILL grow up and GET OVER IT.

Of course, he does realize this, because after he meanders around, making dire pronouncements, mentions his "book tour" (Ka-ching, buy my book) and engages in ineffectual foot stomping, he finally comes around to this:

As I said, I expect most Sanders backers will still support Hillary Clinton if she’s the nominee. And even if Trump doesn’t get the Republican nod, most of his backers will go with whoever the Republican candidate turns out to be.


This is just a tantrum as realization dawns, nothing more.



azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
28. The problem for Hillary is that many of us have grown up and gotten over it
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:40 AM
Apr 2016

all we have to do is nothing

MADem

(135,425 posts)
32. You can lead, you can follow... or you can get out of the way and let those of who will do, do.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:49 AM
Apr 2016

You've proudly stated that you are going to stand on the sidelines while history is made.

More power to you...but playing "bystander to history" wouldn't be my choice. And I'd be embarrassed to vocalize that POV, too.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
34. I pointed out a fact I will not be standing on the sidelines funny how you keep bring up '72 though
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:51 AM
Apr 2016

how'd that work out for Dems?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
37. You do realize that 72 is the reason WHY we have Super Delegates?
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:55 AM
Apr 2016

Those candidates were "too far out" for the greater electorate, and that's why they lost. The DNC said "NEVER AGAIN."

But thanks for proving my point while missing it!

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
40. Lol will you bolding your next post as you did below ps there was no DNC in '72
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:57 AM
Apr 2016

and you forgot WaterGate but I do understand your need to edit history

MADem

(135,425 posts)
44. Are you serious?
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:09 AM
Apr 2016
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_Democratic_National_Convention
More background: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McGovern%E2%80%93Fraser_Commission

Thanks for making it clear that it's pointless wasting any more time speaking with you.

You don't know your own history. And Watergate didn't become a full-blown scandal until much later--you might want to look THAT up, too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_scandal

smh.

So proud, too!!!

azurnoir
40. Lol will you bolding your next post as you did below ps there was no DNC in '72
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and you forgot WaterGate but I do understand your need to edit history



azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
46. so by DNC you meant the Democratic Nation Convention not the Democratic National Committee
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:11 AM
Apr 2016

ah ya okay go with that sounds ah plausible

Star Member MADem (126,920 posts)
37. You do realize that 72 is the reason WHY we have Super Delegates?

Those candidates were "too far out" for the greater electorate, and that's why they lost. The DNC said "NEVER AGAIN."

But thanks for proving my point while missing it!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1846845

MADem

(135,425 posts)
55. No--I meant DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE--the DNC. You are embarrassing yourself, now.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:41 AM
Apr 2016
The DNC was established at the 1848 Democratic National Convention.[1] The DNC's main counterpart is the Republican National Committee.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_National_Committee


azurnoir
46. so by DNC you meant the Democratic Nation Convention not the Democratic National Committee
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ah ya okay go with that sounds ah plausible

Star Member MADem (126,920 posts)
37. You do realize that 72 is the reason WHY we have Super Delegates?

Those candidates were "too far out" for the greater electorate, and that's why they lost. The DNC said "NEVER AGAIN."

But thanks for proving my point while missing it!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1846845





azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
56. That's not what you were claiming in post #44
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:42 AM
Apr 2016

Are you serious?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_Democratic_National_Convention
More background: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McGovern%E2%80%93Fraser_Commission

Thanks for making it clear that it's pointless wasting any more time speaking with you.

You don't know your own history. And Watergate didn't become a full-blown scandal until much later--you might want to look THAT up, too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_scandal

smh.

So proud, too!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1846877

MADem

(135,425 posts)
57. Excuse me, but you can't have a party platform without having a DNC to craft it.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:47 AM
Apr 2016

You need to go back to school.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
59. I did no such thing. I provided you a link to a convention with a platform that disproved your
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:54 AM
Apr 2016

claim, and provided you with a link to Watergate history to correct your misunderstanding of that event, too.

Look--you're flailing and failing here. "End of story!" LOL....

elleng

(130,973 posts)
29. Oh right, nothing more
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:42 AM
Apr 2016

than 27 replies-worth of tantrum/shit flailing-fodder. Nothing to see here; keep on walking.

Keep it up.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
31. Robert Reich's big finish....
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:45 AM
Apr 2016
As I said, I expect most Sanders backers will still support Hillary Clinton if she’s the nominee. And even if Trump doesn’t get the Republican nod, most of his backers will go with whoever the Republican candidate turns out to be.


Those are HIS words...after HIS tantrum-essay, for which, no doubt, he was paid.

smh.

elleng

(130,973 posts)
33. 'The anti-establishment fury in the election of 2016 may prove greater than supposed.'
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:50 AM
Apr 2016

'But 2008 may not be a good guide to the 2016 election, whose most conspicuous feature is furious antipathy to the political establishment.
Outsiders and mavericks are often attractive to an American electorate chronically suspicious of political insiders, but the anti-establishment sentiments unleashed this election year of a different magnitude. The Trump and Sanders candidacies are both dramatic repudiations of politics as usual.
If Hillary Clinton is perceived to have won the Democratic primary because of insider “superdelegates” and contests closed to independents, it may confirm for hardcore Bernie supporters the systemic political corruption Sanders has been railing against.
Similarly, if the Republican Party ends up nominating someone other than Trump who hasn’t attracted nearly the votes than he has, it may be viewed as proof of Trump’s argument that the Republican Party is corrupt.
Many Sanders supporters will gravitate to Hillary Clinton nonetheless out of repulsion toward the Republican candidate, especially if it’s Donald Trump. Likewise, if Trump loses his bid for the nomination, many of his supporters will vote Republican in any event, particularly if the Democratic nominee is Hillary Clinton.
But, unlike previous elections, a good number may simply decide to sit out the election because of their even greater repulsion toward politics as usual – and the conviction it’s rigged by the establishment for its own benefit.
That conviction wasn’t present in the 2008 election. It emerged later, starting in the 2008 financial crisis, when the government bailed out the biggest Wall Street banks while letting underwater homeowners drown.
Both the Tea Party movement and Occupy were angry responses – Tea Partiers apoplectic about government’s role, Occupiers furious with Wall Street – two sides of the same coin.
Then came the Supreme Court’s 2010 decision in “Citizens United vs. the Federal Election Commission,” releasing a torrent of big money into American politics. By the 2012 election cycle, forty percent of all campaign contributions came from the richest 0.01 percent of American households.
That was followed by a lopsided economic recovery, most of whose gains have gone to the top. Median family income is still below 2008, adjusted for inflation. And although the official rate of unemployment has fallen dramatically, a smaller percentage of working-age people now have jobs than before the recession.
As a result of all this, many Americans have connected the dots in ways they didn’t in 2008.
They see “crony capitalism” (now a term of opprobrium on both left and the right) in special tax loopholes for the rich, government subsidies and loan guarantees for favored corporations, bankruptcy relief for the wealthy but not for distressed homeowners or student debtors, leniency toward corporations amassing market power but not for workers seeking to increase their bargaining power through unions, and trade deals protecting the intellectual property and assets of American corporations abroad but not the jobs or incomes of American workers.
Last fall, when on book tour in the nation’s heartland, I kept finding people trying to make up their minds in the upcoming election between Sanders and Trump.
They saw one or the other as their champion: Sanders the “political revolutionary” who’d reclaim power from the privileged few; Trump, the authoritarian strongman who’d wrest power back from an establishment that’s usurped it.
The people I encountered told me the moneyed interests couldn’t buy off Sanders because he wouldn’t take their money, and they couldn’t buy off Trump because he didn’t need their money.
Now, six months later, the political establishment has fought back, and Sanders’s prospects for taking the Democratic nomination are dimming. Trump may well win the Republican mantle but not without a brawl.
As I said, I expect most Sanders backers will still support Hillary Clinton if she’s the nominee. And even if Trump doesn’t get the Republican nod, most of his backers will go with whoever the Republican candidate turns out to be.
But anyone who assumes a wholesale transfer of loyalty from Sanders’s supporters to Clinton, or from Trump’s to another Republican standard-bearer, may be in for a surprise.
The anti-establishment fury in the election of 2016 may prove greater than supposed.'

https://www.facebook.com/RBReich/posts/1205892422756685

MADem

(135,425 posts)
35. Yeah, but at the end of the day.....
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:53 AM
Apr 2016
As I said, I expect most Sanders backers will still support Hillary Clinton if she’s the nominee. And even if Trump doesn’t get the Republican nod, most of his backers will go with whoever the Republican candidate turns out to be.


Click bait article. Short version:

Sanders supporters will be mad (indeed, their anger can be described as "fury&quot .... but they WILL GET OVER IT.

elleng

(130,973 posts)
38. But anyone who assumes a wholesale transfer of loyalty from Sanders’s supporters to Clinton,
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:56 AM
Apr 2016

or from Trump’s to another Republican standard-bearer, may be in for a surprise.

The anti-establishment fury in the election of 2016 may prove greater than supposed.

https://www.facebook.com/RBReich/posts/1205892422756685

MADem

(135,425 posts)
41. "As I said, I expect most Sanders backers will still support Hillary Clinton if she’s the nominee."
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:58 AM
Apr 2016
As I said, I expect most Sanders backers will still support Hillary Clinton if she’s the nominee. And even if Trump doesn’t get the Republican nod, most of his backers will go with whoever the Republican candidate turns out to be.


Everything surrounding that key piece is just parsley and shredded lettuce, designed to make the meal look bigger and more appetizing for you.

But the bottom line is here:

As I said, I expect most Sanders backers will still support Hillary Clinton if she’s the nominee.

emsimon33

(3,128 posts)
39. Gosh, I hope that you are right, but I fear you may be counting on the past foretelling the future
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:56 AM
Apr 2016

MADem

(135,425 posts)
42. Those are the words of Robert Reich, not me. He's the one whining and griping, but at the end of
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:59 AM
Apr 2016

the day, even he acknowledges that this is the bottom line:

As I said, I expect most Sanders backers will still support Hillary Clinton if she’s the nominee.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
48. Most = 51%.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:17 AM
Apr 2016

Yea, she might get most if she's lucky. I don't know how she'll package that with 33% of Independants and make a winning combination, but that's her problem.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
68. So you are touting his words in a thread in which you opened by calling him 'Bro' disparagingly?
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:48 AM
Apr 2016

Do you think your personal efforts are helpful to gaining support for your candidate? I've been called 'Bro' by so many of your fellow travelers it makes me sick. They are mean people. Some who do that 'Bro' thing have in the past called me and other LGBT 'he/she' repeatedly. It's a name calling cohort and I strongly reject those tactics and methods.

I vote at home, by myself. Public support will not be forthcoming for the Reagan Democrats. I simply will not spend volunteer hours with anti gay jerks who call me 'Bro' or 'he/she' as part of their way of electoral politics. Not going to happen. No money either. Not one dime.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
61. Reich is having a sad because there is no pathway for him to get a job in a Prez admin again.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 05:48 AM
Apr 2016

Response to elleng (Original post)

 

Whimsey

(236 posts)
64. Waa!
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 06:11 AM
Apr 2016

I didn't win! I'm taking my marbles and going home! The political system is corrupt unless my candidate wins because my vote is the only one that should count! My candidate is pure and good and anyone running against him is corrupt! Goodbye democratic party!

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
69. Hillary and her supporters say they don't need them and can win without them.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:06 AM
Apr 2016



My minds made up....for sure.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
71. AGREE! AGREE! AGREE! TRUST Is A Five Letter Word...
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:28 PM
Apr 2016

We NEED a POTUS who tells the TRUTH BEFORE they win! Words are only words HILLARY!

I DO NOT BELIEVE what you're saying now, and YOU WILL NEED to EARN TRUST!

Another word, FAITH in that TRUST is missing too!

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