My party has sold it's soul.

[Splinter Cell]

The party of Roosevelt, of Kennedy, is dead. The corporate money has prevailed. The liars and fools have taken their place at the head of the table. God help us.

[Xipe Totec]

1. 16 Tons

[Ned_Devine]

2. But the ideas are still alive and well

They just need a new vessel. Bernie has run such a "hands off" campaign against HRC that she will get smoked when she has to face someone that is fearless about confronting her about all of her moral and character flaws. All of these people here and out there in the voting world that put their fingers in their ears and cover their eyes to the obvious are in for a rude awakening come November.

[RiverLover]

61. Hoping for a new viable nationwide 3rd party The People's Party. Populists vs the 2 corp parties.

ie.

POPULISM 2015 PLATFORM: BUILDING A MOVEMENT FOR PEOPLE AND THE PLANET

https://populism2015.org/the-new-populist-agenda/

Would love FDR Dems to have something like this to get behind. 4 years of Trump will give us plenty of time to organize. Because Hillary will get shellacked in the GE, like you said.

Just dreaming...& hoping MoveOn & DFA see this and the many other posts out there in the interwebs pining for a 3rd party.

[Land of Enchantment]

84. I second the motion. Great platform! nt

?1

[dlwickham]

3. and the Oscar goes to...

[Dragonfli]

6. ..Hilary Clinton, Neocon/Neolib, for greatest performance as a Democrat (a Republican method actor)

[Ned_Devine]

12. Excellent!

[Carolina]

13. So true

[840high]

15. .that^

[VOX]

19. If she's a Repub, how come they hate her so much?

With a ferocity that occasionally exceeds that of the average Bernie supporter? Why do Bernie supporters so often use right-wing talking points against her?

There are multiple performances playing out simultaneously.

[BreakfastClub]

20. Well, now you're just trying to use logic and reason. nt

[Dragonfli]

21. That has always been a mystery to me as she agrees with so many of their policies

I think it has to do with a combination of misogyny and 90's Rush limpballs propaganda.

[BreakfastClub]

22. Bernie and Hillary voted the same 93% of the time. Try again. nt

[Dragonfli]

25. not regarding war or bad trade deals, she is a tool of the rich, you count post office votes mostly.

[Juicy_Bellows]

31. I don't know but I think more and more it's a good cop bad cop routine. Nt.

[Dragonfli]

32. In a nutshell. /nt

[Juicy_Bellows]

33. It's like some folks give up on that tough pistachio shell.

They skip it, afraid to risk the effort to get to the nutmeat of the matter.

[Uncle Joe]

89. Professional Wrestling Secrets.

It looks a lot worse than it is, the corporate media conglomerates play the role of easily distracted "referees" and have turned Presidential Elections into a great show for the American People; at the expense of their best interests.

[RufusTFirefly]

117. Exactly!

I've always thought that Trump was designed to scare us into voting for a corporatist in order to avoid electing Mussolini.

Think how relieved we'll all be when we elect a Wall Street tool instead of a dictator.

As for why the Republicans hate her, the answer is the same as why they accused the President of being a socialist: it forces the Democrats to move even further right and provides an excuse for doing so.

FDR would be shocked and saddened by what passes as the Democratic Party these days. Heck, even Richard Nixon would be appalled.

[Juicy_Bellows]

118. It seems to make the most sense to me.

"FDR would be shocked and saddened by what passes as the Democratic Party these days. Heck, even Richard Nixon would be appalled." Now THAT is saying something - and I concur.

[treestar]

76. prove that. If you don't want to, you don't want to know

IOW this is what you want to believe.

[Dragonfli]

86. First of all, I did not make the claim, I responded to it, the "proving" of a statement is on them.

Not to say Hillary Clinton did not achieve some things during her six year hobby involved in legislating (the last two were spent campaigning and fundraising)

She managed to vote for the Patriot Act, for an illegal war, and even whip some votes with her passionate selling of the Bush/Cheney lies. (she deserves some credit for that,) and those of you that enjoy war should be and are rightfully quite proud of that.

As a Senator Clinton did get some things accomplished, Clinton sponsored three bills that became law: S.3145, S.3613, and S.1241. The first of these renamed a highway in New York state, the second renamed a post office in New York City, and the third established the Kate Mullany National Historic Site in Troy, New York and authorized funding to set the site up.

To be truly fair, she also tried to put an end to the epidemic of flag burning and ban some media, but these, her most favorite things were too hard for her to get done, she just couldn't get them passed, she may have lacked the chops to do it, but BUT SHE TRIED REAL HARD!

The United States Family Entertainment Protection Act (FEPA) was a bill introduced by Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY), and co-sponsored by Senators Joe Lieberman (D-CT), Tim Johnson (D-SD) and Evan Bayh (D-IN) on November 29, 2005. The bill called for a federal mandate enforcement of the Entertainment Software Rating Board (ESRB) ratings.

Unsuccessfully unfortunately for the more puritan among us, sigh, if only she were more effective at passing such laws, we would finally be safe from cluster bombs, eerr.. I mean f-bombs (she voted against ending the use of child killing cluster bombs, my "misspeak" or my bad, if you prefer) she likes cluster bombs, so much so that after some donations to very, very, special charity, she made sure as SoS to sell cluster bombs to those altruistic rulers of Saudi Arabia! She deserves credit for that!

The kids just love playing with those rather than video games.

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2008/03/13/cluster-bombs-are-not-good-children-hillary

This is a common result



Now, since I did not make the claim that she voted 92% for the same things as Sanders has voted for.

I would ask the poster to point out that 92% of even this partial record of his Congressional record as I believe she has always been a neocon, and an Neo-liberal, (yay a twofer!) and everything she has done in politics supports this.

The following is a list of every substantive bill and amendment Sanders sponsored from the floor of Congress that became law (substantive meaning legislation renaming post offices is not included). Many of the roll-call amendments he passed with majority approval — like limiting the federal government’s ability to spy on people’s library records — were removed from bills when the House and Senate negotiated over the final legislative text and did not become law.

Because the list is derived from Congress’ official database of floor actions, it does not include achievements like his insertion of funding for veterans health care into an Iraq war spending bill because that occurred off of the House floor while the bill was in conference. Nor does the list include what is perhaps his most significant achievement — providing health care to an additional 10 million mostly low-income Americans by getting Senate majority leader Harry Reid to add $11 billion in funding for community health centers that provide care regardless of a person’s ability to pay to the 2010 Affordable Care Act in exchange for Sanders rallying liberal Democrats who were considering voting against the bill once conservative Democrats removed the public option.

Those who mistakenly believe that a President Sanders would be powerless in the face of a hostile Republican Congress should bear in mind that he managed to pass these bills and amendments in spite of Republican control of both the House (1995-2006) and the presidency (2001-2008). Furthermore, it was Republicans in the House and Senate who compromised with him (not the other way around) on major veterans legislation in 2014. His original bill expanding services for veterans and fixing the scandal-ridden Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) cost $17.3 billion. The price tag of the final compromise bill? $16.3 billion.

H.R.4206 (Cancer Registries Amendment Act) enacted as S. 3312 (Cancer Registries Amendment Act).

H.Amdt. 98 to H.R. 665 (Victims of Justice Act of 1995)

H.Amdt. 210 to H.R. 830 (Paperwork Reduction Act of 1995)

H.Amdt. 1203 to H.R. 3666 Departments of Veterans Affairs and Housing and Urban Development, and Independent Agencies Appropriations Act, 1997

H.J.Res.129 enacted as S.J.Res.38 (A joint resolution granting the consent of Congress to the Vermont-New Hampshire Interstate Public Water Supply Compact)

H.Amdt.174 to H.R.1757 (Foreign Affairs Reform and Restructuring Act of 1998)

H.Amdt.267 to H.R.2160 (Agriculture, Rural Development, Food and Drug Administration, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 1998)

H.Amdt.289 to H.R.2266 (Department of Defense Appropriations Act, 1998) -- National Guard Starbase program

H.Amdt.368 to H.R.2378 (Treasury and General Government Appropriations Act, 1998) -- Prohibit funds for the U.S. Customs Office from being used to allow the importation into the U.S. any material mined, produced, or manufactured by forced or indentured child labor.

H.Amdt.388 to H.R.2267 (Departments of Commerce, Justice, and State, the Judiciary, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 1998)

H.Amdt.569 to H.R.6 (Higher Education Amendments of 1998)

H.Amdt.614 to H.R.3694 (Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 1999) -- Reduce the intelligence budget for fiscal year 1999 by 5% with an exemption for the CIA Retirement and Disability Fund.

H.Amdt.626 to H.R.10 (Financial Services Act of 1998) -- Require the Comptroller General to report to Congress regarding the efficacy and benefits of uniformly limiting any commissions, fees, markups, or other costs incurred by customers in the acquisition of financial products.

H.Amdt.706 to H.R.4101 (Agriculture, Rural Development, Food and Drug Administration, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 1999) -- Increase funding for nutrition programs for senior citizens by $10 million

H.Amdt.708 to H.R.4103 (Department of Defense Appropriations Act, 1999) -- Prohibit funding to be used to enter into or renew a contract with any company owned, or partially owned, by the People’s Republic of China or the People’s Liberation Army of the People’s Republic of China.

H.Amdt.724 to H.R.4104 (Treasury and General Government Appropriations Act, 1999) enacted as H.R. 2490 (Treasury and General Government Appropriations Act, 2000) -- National Archives and Records Administration improvements

H.Amdt.127 to H.R.1906 (Agriculture, Rural Development, Food and Drug Administration, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2000)

H.Amdt.136 to H.R.1906 (Agriculture, Rural Development, Food and Drug Administration, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2000) -- national pilot program to promote agritourism

H.Amdt.258 to H.R.2466 (Department of the Interior and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2000) enacted as H.R.3194 (Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2000) -- deficit reduction; and reduces fossil energy research and development funding

H.Amdt.442 to H.R.2684 (Departments of Veterans Affairs and Housing and Urban Development, and Independent Agencies Appropriations Act, 2000) -- health care services for veterans in rural areas

H.Amdt.791 to H.R.4577 (Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2001) -- (relating to the availability to the public of an invention and its benefits on reasonable terms)

H.Amdt.818 to H.R.4578 (Department of the Interior and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2001) -- weatherization assistance and energy conservation programs and reduce fossil fuel energy research and development programs

H.Amdt.238 to H.R.2590 (Treasury and General Government Appropriations Act, 2002) -- Prohibit the importation of goods made by forced or indentured child labor.

H.Amdt.376 to H.R.3061 (Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, and Education, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2002) -- relating to the availability to the public of an invention and its benefits on reasonable terms

H.Amdt.404 to H.R.3338 (Department of Defense and Emergency Supplemental Appropriations for Recovery from and Response to Terrorist Attacks on the United States Act, 2002) -- Provide $100 million for federally qualified community health centers.

H.Amdt.255 to H.R.2691 (Department of the Interior and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2004) -- Increase funding for weatherization assistance grants

H.Amdt.336 to H.R.2861 (Departments of Veterans Affairs and Housing and Urban Development, and Independent Agencies Appropriations Act, 2004) enacted as H.R.2673 (Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2004) -- Prohibit the use of funds in the bill to implement any policy prohibiting the Directors of the Veterans Integrated Service Networks from conducting outreach or marketing to enroll new veterans within their respective networks.

S.Amdt.737 to H.R.1591 (U.S. Troop Readiness, Veterans’ Care, Katrina Recovery, and Iraq Accountability Appropriations Act, 2007) -- fund weatherization assistance program

S.Amdt.1515 to H.R.6 (Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007) -- Establish an energy efficiency and renewable energy worker training program

S.Amdt.1525 to H.R.6 (Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007) -- use of solar hot water heaters in certain Federal buildings

S.Amdt.4384 to H.R.3221 (Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008) -- Increase specially adapted housing benefits for disabled veterans.

S.Amdt.1658 to S.1390 (National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2010) -- re child care available to deployed members of the reserve components of the Armed Forces

S.Amdt.2271 to H.R.2997 (Agriculture, Rural Development, Food and Drug Administration, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2010) -- funds for the school community garden pilot program

S.Amdt.2601 to H.R.3326 (Department of Defense Appropriations Act, 2010) -- veteran outreach and reintegration services

S.Amdt.3738 to S.3217 (Restoring American Financial Stability Act of 2010) -- let the American people know the names of the recipients of over $2 trillion in taxpayer assistance from the Federal Reserve System

S.Amdt.306 to H.R.1 (American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009) -- Require recipients of TARP funding to meet strict H-1B worker hiring standard to ensure non-displacement of U.S. workers

S.Amdt.1658 to S.1390 (National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2010) -- report to Congress on financial assistance for child care available to deployed members of the reserve components of the Armed Forces.

S.Amdt.4280 to H.R.4899 (Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2010) -- make publicly available the contractor integrity performance database established under the Clean Contracting Act of 2008

S.2450 (Veterans’ Access to Care through Choice, Accountability, and Transparency Act of 2014) enacted as H.R.3230 (Veterans Access, Choice, and Accountability Act of 2014) -- VA reform bill

S.893 (Veterans’ Compensation Cost-of-Living Adjustment Act of 2013) -- increase rates of veterans’ disability compensation, additional compensation for dependents, etc.

S.Amdt.2146 to S.1471 (Alicia Dawn Koehl Respect for National Cemeteries Act) – re interring the remains and honoring the memory of a person in a national cemetery

[font size="3" ; color="8B0000"]Also, compare her record to this perhaps you will get to the magic 92% of Congressional agreement with him here[/font]

So far I have posted this or variations of it (about 9 times):

The Right Wing implication appears to be that even with all his years of public service, a progressive like Bernie Sanders was too far to the left to accomplish anything.

That one has to be able to find the buypartisan way, in other words, adopt the least offensive GOP legislation as your own if you wish to accomplish anything, if one is not a member of the Republican party itself.

The problem with this bullshit GOP meme is that it is completely false, he's actually one of the most effective members of Congress, passing bills, of all sizes and shapes, that have reshaped American policy on key issues like poverty, the environment and health care.

[center][font size=3"]The Amendment King[/font][/center]

....Congress is not known to be a progressive institution lately, to say the least. Over the past few decades, the House of Representatives was only controlled by the Democrats from 2007 to 2010, and a flood of corporate money has quieted the once-powerful progressive movement that passed legislation moving the country forward between the New Deal era and the Great Society. Yet, as difficult as it may be to believe, a socialist from Vermont is one of its most accomplished members. ....

snip

....Sanders did something particularly original, which was that he passed amendments that were exclusively progressive, advancing goals such as reducing poverty and helping the environment, and he was able to get bipartisan coalitions of Republicans who wanted to shrink government or hold it accountable and progressives who wanted to use it to empower Americans.

Here are a few examples of the amendments Sanders passed by building unusual but effective coalitions:....

[font color="red"]Much more, but due to the three paragraph rule you will have to follow this link[/font]
I dare those that pretend the GOP meme is true and are spreading it for them, to read the article!

There are so many examples in fact that you really need to read the entire article as it completely dispels this current Right Wing myth that Bernie Sanders after all his time in Congress achieved almost nothing, when in fact he was literally one of the most effective members of Congress! Read the facts in the article itself, clearly the GOP is spreading lies about him, after all, who besides Rove and the GOP would use such lying sleazy bullshit tactics against someone that helped Democrats get as much progressive policy put into effect during his tenure?...


[font size="3"][center]Robert Reich, Clinton Secretary of Labor, on Bernie's effectiveness in Congress[/font][/center]



He was also very effective as Mayor

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511758469

[LondonReign2]

95. Thank you Dragonfli

Excellent summation.

Unfortunately this will fly right over our self-proclaimed "pragmatic progressives".

[Amaril]

100. Wow!

Excellent summation, Dragonfli! Kudos to you for pulling all of that together so neatly & succinctly!

[TeeYiYi]

108. Thank you...

TYY

[riderinthestorm]

125. Thank you for this! Great post. nt

[snowy owl]

35. We share 98% of our dna with chimps but there's still a difference. Don't be dense.

[LanternWaste]

69. Nor during primary season. We yet sit safely in our trees flinging poo at each

"but there's still a difference..."

Nor during primary season. We yet sit safely in our trees flinging poo at each other when someone disagrees with who support.
Don't be denser.

[snowy owl]

122. Can't speak for you but I'm sitting at a computer. Enjoy your tree.

As I said, there's a difference.

[99Forever]

82. Figures lie and liars figure.

[azurnoir]

23. But wait aren't we being told that like 60% of them will vote for her?

and one of the Koch's even endorsed her

[BreakfastClub]

24. That is a lie. A Koch did not endorse her. I really hate it when people lie like that. Gross. nt

[azurnoir]

27. sorry your right it's less than 60% but still it's a signifigant number and Koch did endorse her as

possibly the best candidate

[snowy owl]

36. Hmm, he came pretty close and when asked, he didn't say no to the question of endorsement

Perhaps a matter of interpretation? Who do you think the Kochs will vote for if Trump is the nominee? After all, Kochs were members of DLC in the nineties. They know Clinton better than Trump and Trump won't owe them a damn thing.

[Chezboo]

113. I really hate it when Hillary continues to lie about Sanders' daily news hit piece. Gross. nt

[snowy owl]

123. It's just another cheap shot in her arsenal. Dishonest smears-my problem with her.

[apcalc]

126. No, he did not endorse her.

[bvf]

62. The Republican establishment

has no problem with her at all. She'd give them their war and keep the gravy train going as always.

The hate is something the establishment gins up in the hoi polloi as a distraction. Think Eastasia.

[m-lekktor]

73. Because she has a D next to her name, not an R. nt

[treestar]

75. I know! If they would believe the Republicans' fictional Hillary

they'd realize we have a communist running and be happy!

[yodermon]

92. Because they attack the Dem CENTRISTS as ULTRA-LIBERAL; that shifts everything to the RIGHT

Bill Clinton was a centrist Dem by any measure, and look how they treated him.
Obama offered up compromise after compromise (chained CPI, public option gone), and they paint him as a communist and stonewalled him anyway.

Meanwhile we get the HERITAGE FOUNDATION's RIGHT WING HEALTH CARE PLAN (from circa 1993) in the form of the ACA, and it is attacked as a Communist Government Takeover of Healthcare.. What!

Let the Democrats shift to the right; attack those positions as if they are ultra-leftist; watch the Democrats shift even further to the right. It's worked beautifully, and HRC has telegraphed that she will continue this dance. She will offer a "compromise", the repukes will scream "BENGHAZI IMPEACH" and she will cave. Ratchet the Overton window to the right one more notch.

The problem is that the GOP has now shifted so far to the right that they are about to fall off the cliff (we can only hope).

[LondonReign2]

96. Which is exactly wy I will never vote for Hillary

She will continue to happily shuffle the party even further to the right.

Bernie is far from a perfect candidate, but he is the only one that will move us leftwards back towards the center.

[Beowulf]

112. They hate Bill and her

because they are better at the GOP game than the GOP is.

[RoccoR5955]

121. they don't hate her, they're just jealous. n/t

[Dem2]

94. Bookmarked.

[Arugula Latte]

115. ...

[treestar]

74. Yeah, talk about exaggerated drama

[BernieforPres2016]

4. Amen to that. Here's an article on the effort from Obama on down to defeat MD and PA progressives

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/26/politics/pennsylvania-democratic-senate-primary-joe-sestak-katie-mcginty/

<The Democratic establishment struck back Tuesday with major victories in the Maryland and Pennsylvania Senate primaries, showing the strength of the party leadership over the liberal base.>

[azurnoir]

26. Pro-Israel Billionaire Haim Saban Drops $100,000 Against Donna Edwards in Maryland

Saban dropped millions into the Clinton Foundation while Clinton was SoS, his wife is on the foundation BoD

IN THE FINAL DAYS leading up to Maryland’s Democratic voters going to the polls on Tuesday to choose their U.S. Senate nominee, Rep. Donna Edwards has been barraged by ads and mailers from the Super PAC backing her opponent, Rep. Chris Van Hollen, called the Committee for Maryland’s Progress.

A television ad assails Edwards as “one of the least effective members of Congress,” contrasting her career with Van Hollen’s legislative record. It mentions no foreign policy issues, despite the dominant issue motivating one of the Super PAC’s largest funders.

https://theintercept.com/2016/04/25/pro-israel-billionaire-haim-saban-drops-100000-against-donna-edwards-in-maryland-senate-race/

[quantumjunkie]

5. And good riddence to that progressive nonsense!

We need realistic leaders that understand that democracy can only work when it is bought through legal bribes. Now tow
the line or get the hell out of our party you DINO! We only allow Democrats on this board. Skinner, ban hammer this Roosevelt-Kennedy lover. grrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[rhett o rick]

7. Mammon: The greedy pursuit of wealth. Goldman-Sachs, the Koch Bros, the

Clinton Family.

[nolawarlock]

8. I will say this ...

When people lose around here, they sure do it with flair.

[JPnoodleman]

9. Yeah, its been fun, but if not Sanders I believe I'll be solely a down ticket voter.

Hillary would have to actually earn my vote, and since she doesn't believe in that. It won't happen.

[Carolina]

18. There's nothing

she can do to win my vote... Past is prologue and she/her ilk have already done too much harm:
DLC
NAFTA
Telecommunications Act (Media Consolidation)
Crime Bill (for profit prisons)
Welfare Reform (deepening poverty)
Overturning Glass-Steagall (too big to fail crash)
IWR (death, debt, destruction, destabilization)
Patriot Acts 1&2
Bankruptcy Bill
Honduras
Libya
Syria
TPP
Fracking
Monsanto
Goldman-Sachs
....

Lying, pandering, shrill nastiness... this who she is and nothing is going to change that. Any change exhibited between now and November is an act.

The party of the New Deal, the Fair Deal, the New Frontier and the Great Society died with the ascendancy of the Clintons. There no longer is a democratic Democratic Party.

[JPnoodleman]

30. She consorts with all the slithering beings, Kissinger and Goldman Sachs.

She might as well run on the "I sold my soul to the devil!" platform. IMHO.

[snowy owl]

37. She's proud of her Kissinger connection. Leslie Stahl: She's the biggest hawk in the race.

[leftofcool]

54. Sounds like Trump is for you then

[LondonReign2]

97. Only an idiot would jump to that illogical conclusion

I rest my case

[Yurovsky]

110. Exactly, both HRC & Trump are beholden to Wall Street/MegaBanks...

His ugly fucking buildings don't get built without being underwritten by the same bastards who have bankrolled HRC's campaign. Oh sure, they both talk tough about Wall Street on the stump, but I'm sure Hillary rolls over and lets the CEO of Goldman Sachs rub her tummy when she's speaking at a corporate pep rally (for a quarter mill...). And Trump has certainly been on his knees before the money men when he was either getting project funding or attempting to modify the terms when it looked as though he was going under.

Two sides of the same corporatist coin, and just because she's pro-choice or (belatedly) come out in favor of equal rights for LGBT Americans doesn't excuse her greed and lack of progressive economic platform. The only silver lining in a Trump presidency is that it would be so horrifically bad we might actually get a progressive Democrat in the White House in 2020. That pendulum does swing... I'm not usually an advocate of losing in order to win down the road, but I think we lose either way in November. It's just a question of whether we have a corporatist whose a racist and misogynist, or a corporatist who's pro-war and possibly a felon (we won't know until the FBI decides whether to recommend an indictment and if the DOJ follows up if the answer is affirmative).

[Carolina]

99. Can you read?!

Can you deny that any of what I have posted is true?

Speaking truth about HRC does not equate to being for Trump, but spin as you wish... typical $hillary logic.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

116. Vote for the blue corporate warmonger or else you're voting for the red corporate warmonger

[MoonRiver]

68. ...

[felix_numinous]

10. Someone should gild the Wall Street Bull nt

[azurnoir]

28. gild? like cover in gold? I think that's been done and will continue unabated

eta did you mean an e instead of an i ?

[snowy owl]

38. Geld - to neuter or castrate: gelding - a male horse who can't. Gild-cover with gold is correct.

[azurnoir]

39. I know the difference between geld and gild but the Wall Street bull is gilded already

[snowy owl]

43. My apologies. I see why you made that comment. I thought it was bronze... Sorry again.

[Fairgo]

93. Your golden calf reference was apropos

and poetic.

[ViseGrip]

11. Not dead, it is going to be reborn, as soon as Hillary loses to Trump. She's tied now ffs.

[Yurovsky]

111. And if he wins, he'll be one and done...

I think we could see a real progressive backlash against his dumpster fire of an administration.

If Hillary were POTUS, progressives would have to sit at the kids table for the next 4-8 years, and be warned to "STFU or else..."

[Stuckinthebush]

14. Whoa! I tripped on your hyperbole

Tuck that shit in

[seekthetruth]

16. FUCK IT.......Social Democratic Party.

[BreakfastClub]

17. I'm sorry to tell you this, but FDR was also funded by Wall Street.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/02/08/why_its_ok_to_accept_wall_street_campaign_cash_129584.html

Although I haven't researched Kennedy, I'm sure it's the same with him.

[azurnoir]

40. Wall Street in 1932 had been severely humbled , not so these days however

in fact they have been coddled, protected, and emboldened

[snowy owl]

41. May have been but... "I welcome their hatred." Can Clinton welcome their hatred?

It’s a fairly famous speech, the emotional heart of which is in the passage referring to his rich and powerful opponents:

“We had to struggle with the old enemies of peace--business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering.

“They had begun to consider the Government of the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.

“Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me -- and I welcome their hatred.”

Can Clinton welcome their hatred after they've given so much?

[Recursion]

44. He was pandering. FDR did a lot of that. He ran on lowering taxes

and "getting rid of burdensome regulations". Then he just threw whatever he could at the wall and saw what stuck and what didn't. And meanwhile the unemployment rate never dropped below 15% until the war started. Great president, but significantly more complex than a lot of DU seems to think.

[forjusticethunders]

87. If 0.01%er FDR can

It's not completely out of the realm of possibility Hillary can. But FDR had strong grassroots activists pressuring him to "make him do it". I'm sure many of those activists would rather have voted for Debs or William Thomas instead.

[treestar]

77. They do what they have to do to mount the campaign

Only the Bernie supporters have tried to make this into an evil.

[Lucinda]

29. Mine is doing just fine, and is on it's way to electing the first female POTUS

And she happens to be the most qualified person running too.

[snowy owl]

42. But it's really because she's a woman, huh?

[ContinentalOp]

34. Why, because we're nominating somebody who has been part of the D establishment for over 20 years?

Former SOS of the current Democratic administration, and wife of the Democratic president before that? Come on man, this isn't some big turning point, it's where we've been for two decades. If anything, it's the end of a cycle. Just deal with it, move on, and work toward something better in the future.

[Fumesucker]

48. The establishment was basically blindsided by Sanders, I don't see that happening again

The main focus of a Clinton administration will be making absolutely sure there is no credible challenge from the left in 2020, no stone will remain un-turned in squashing any left populist movement.

[auntpurl]

45. "its"

Sorry. Driving me crazy.

[Scuba]

46. ...

"If the Democratic Party would fight as hard for the Working Class as the Republican Party fights for the Ruling Class, the Republicans would be a powerless minority party within a few election cycles.

The Democratic Party knows this, the Republican Party knows this, the Ruling Class knows this- and they've been astonishingly successful at making sure the Working Class never learns this. ~ Anon

[Broward]

47. Hillary's lies and a failing media have contributed to an ignorant populace.

The corporate elite must be laughing at us.

[Adrahil]

49. Someone else who doesn't know history...

Let us remember that FDR order the imprisonment of American citizens of Japanese descent, and allowed the deportation of American citizens of Mexican descent in an attempt to funnel jobs to "real Americans." JFK cut the marginal tax rates... Especially those at the top, very significantly. And deregulated the airlines.

[Joob]

50. Bernie fights to save this party, if he loses. The war will be fought OUTSIDE this party.

[COLGATE4]

63. God, one can only hope!

[brooklynite]

51. Ten million Democrats are "liars and fools"...

WHY CAN'T EVERYONE BE SMART ENOUGH TO VOTE FOR --MY-- CANDIDATE?

[Armstead]

59. No not fools -- but conned....... I was once conned by the Clintons too.

I bought Bill's "I'll fight for you until the last dog dies."

Unfortunately, the final canine died very shortly after he got into office.

[COLGATE4]

64. In a nutshell! Thread winner!

[bkkyosemite]

53. Nah! The Party has rigged it's soul.

[COLGATE4]

65. "its" not "it's" nt

[workinclasszero]

55. Losing is rough

[djean111]

56. If Hillary represents the Democratic Party - warmongering, fracking, giving away jobs,

shrugging at children being blown up by cluster bombs - then I cannot be a Democrat any more. Simple, really, as that.

[uponit7771]

57. This is false on its face

[casperthegm]

58. HRC supporters don't get it

I suspect most of them think that Bernie supporters will just fade away if he loses the nomination. Sorry, we're not going anywhere. Essentially, we've been left without a party. Millions of disenfranchised Democrats and millions more Independents with no party? Where could this lead?

[auntpurl]

60. By all means, start another party!

See how you get on. No snark. Go for it!

[COLGATE4]

66. The more reasonable will accept that their candidate lost

and go and vote in the GE, hopefully many more for Hillary. The rest will spend the next 4 years posting about the 'revolution that's about to happen' and congratulate themselves for being part of a new 'movement'.

[casperthegm]

71. So essentially, those who don't get on board with Hillary are silly dreamers?

Ah yes, the "Sanders supporters are so ideological and naive" comments. And HRC supporters don't get why Sanders supporters don't want to just jump on board. Funny.

[COLGATE4]

72. Your words, not mine. But now that you mention it...

[casperthegm]

80. ^ and that is why the Democratic party is continuing to shrink

While the Independent movement grows. Your establishment candidate will most likely win the nomination, and possibly the GE. But the DNC can't/won't see their own demise coming down the tracks. You're not worried about losing the independent vote (that's clear, based on the closed primary process) or the youth vote (seen via the talk of naive young people who just want free stuff) and yet you think the party is going to somehow maintain or grow? Now who is naive?

[COLGATE4]

98. Independents in their 20's have a way of becoming Democrats

in their 30's and 40's.

[workinclasszero]

78. You can start your own party or pick an existing one

which will never go anywhere or get anything passed into law if thats what you are looking for.

I choose and recommend the democratic party myself.

[casperthegm]

83. Agree, that option is on the table

What I suspect is that the establishment dems and HRC supporters are generally thinking, eh they'll just slink back to the table in the end. Maybe they are right. I choose and recommend a new party myself. One that doesn't support fracking, no fly zones, trade deals that send jobs overseas, oppose Glass Steagall- you know, the stuff that the Democratic party used to stand up against...

[Orsino]

67. It wasn't exactly voluntary. It began as a hostile takeover.

I think our party is going to have to cope with revolution, and make its first little concessions to an agenda like Sanders'.

Success will depend on our efforts, since our so-called leaders aren't listening closely.

[Joob]

70. least it's more known now, that's all.

[NCTraveler]

79. Sold its soul...

To the working class, to the oppressed, to those in need....

#hillyes

[LondonReign2]

101. You're so right!

[NCTraveler]

105. The Clinton Global Initiative does some great work. Thanks for highlighting that. nt.

[LondonReign2]

106. You're so welcome!

Helping those in need, $225,000 at a time!

[stonecutter357]

81. Most Admired Woman in World, Record 20th Time Gallup, December 2015.

[Carni]

85. Oh come on now...

Just heard Rendell say "Get on board don't pout" to Sanders supporters, yeah that'll win votes in the general...idiots.

[djean111]

102. Yeah, what's a little war and fracking, amiright?

Amazing.

[pengu]

127. Rendell said he'd go third party if Bernie won

Fuck him. He has no credibility.

[apcalc]

129. He never said that.

Where's your link?
Ridiculous.

[pengu]

131. Here you go

In a three-way race featuring Mr. Sanders and Mr. Bloomberg, Mr. Rendell said he might back the former New York mayor.

“As a lifelong Democrat, as a former party chairman, it would be very hard for me to do that,” he said. “But I would certainly take a look at it — absolutely.”

link

Fuck him.

[apcalc]

128. Ed's been through some tough battles

You just have to get up and move on.

What's that Oriental saying? Something like ' get knocked down five times get up six'?
Similar to that anyway.

[2banon]

88. yep, back in '92, but we just didn't know it then.

or least I didn't really, until the second term.

[LondonReign2]

103. After 12 years of Reagan-Bush, Clinton seemed

like such a relief. Little did we know.

[dana_b]

90. I know it feels defeating now and it's diffcult to

see how things can change, BUT we must keep fighting. Bernie isn't giving up, I'm sure not giving up and eventually you may feel like fighting again.

I am an indy so maybe the fact that I already gave up on the Dems, it isn't hitting me as hard as it is some of you. I'm sorry about that though. I know that it sucks.

Also - ignore those who are being sarcastic, mean or laughing. Bullies. Literally put them on ignore.

[peace13]

109. I don't think he has been giving up.

I do think he has been cheated at the press and in the polls. If he falls, there is no coming back. There is nothing but right wing level war mongering left. Nothing for the people. Oh ...except a raise in minimum wage sometime in the next five years. That's pretty grim!

[MadDAsHell]

91. As has DU. Those guys with the banner on 1-20-2001 don't exist anymore.

We're just another for-profit website supporting corporate hacks.

[LondonReign2]

104. +1,000

[peace13]

107. I raise a glass of fracking water in toast to this.

Concern for the earth has been placed behind the almighty dollar and war and violence are expected in order to maintain our lifestyle. Pity the folks who will have to implement the endless global turmoil. Paying for the last fifteen years of war broke our infrastructure and social safety net. What is left?

[Dem2]

114. Hear this every cycle

[PowerToThePeople]

124. Member since april 2015

How many cycles have you been through here?

[pdsimdars]

119. I just love this chart

[LiberalElite]

120. It's been dead since 1992 eom

[sufrommich]

130. Your candidate lost the primary.This happens to

someone every four years.

[Matt_R]

132. third way took over the democratic party.

It was the only way for third way to become a viable party.

[Logical]

133. Kick