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People here laughed. I saw more. (Original Post) bkkyosemite Apr 2016 OP
Wow. K&R nt Live and Learn Apr 2016 #1
Major typo by a human being Dem2 Apr 2016 #2
In this election, the numbers are direct from the central state vote tabulators. Kip Humphrey Apr 2016 #56
See post #57 Dem2 Apr 2016 #59
I don't dispute the error. Read my post. When it comes to vote reporting, this election Kip Humphrey Apr 2016 #60
A non-human could not have made such an error Dem2 Apr 2016 #63
The software allows for human corrections in the tabulated numbers but the algorithm producing the Kip Humphrey Apr 2016 #65
does bradblog know? questionseverything Apr 2016 #3
He does now. ViseGrip Apr 2016 #7
Trying to look into it... BradBlog Apr 2016 #36
Several called me to complain of numbers being flipped on the screen! ViseGrip Apr 2016 #4
do you know final reported numbers? questionseverything Apr 2016 #16
.... questionseverything Apr 2016 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author questionseverything Apr 2016 #22
ok here is by county questionseverything Apr 2016 #34
And the tinfoil stuff begins Tarc Apr 2016 #5
This may shock you... MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #12
Yes, it is, as it'd be Sanders' legal counsel who would advise on the feasibility of any lawsuit Tarc Apr 2016 #47
Tragic that Clinton has not spoken out about election fraud. peace13 Apr 2016 #55
The DoJ is investigating Arizona, that's taken care of Tarc Apr 2016 #61
You speak of what you can not know. peace13 Apr 2016 #64
It's a fact that election fraud is common in this country. peace13 Apr 2016 #53
That blog post you linked too proves itself wrong several times. Agschmid Apr 2016 #6
Agschmid, Sanders went from 6,000 votes to 2,000 pacalo Apr 2016 #11
Typo Dem2 Apr 2016 #13
Trustworthiness, or lack thereof, is a big factor here. pacalo Apr 2016 #18
Mathematical results generally do not take the form of a "typo" MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #46
You understand why Bernie couldn't have had more votes than the % reporting would indicate, right? Dem2 Apr 2016 #48
... MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #70
do you have something to say or you just posting mindless links Dem2 Apr 2016 #71
What's mindless about that question you never answered? MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #72
I showed that it was just a tabulation error happens all the time Dem2 Apr 2016 #73
Is it possible that you have NO answer to that question you never answered? MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #74
See post #57 Dem2 Apr 2016 #75
I've seen it, and since this has nothing to do with that, but more to the point of the question... MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #77
That's too much detail for the poor unfortunate poster... MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #14
Hillary can do no wrong, Mom. pacalo Apr 2016 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #51
Really you are going to go with an attack? Agschmid Apr 2016 #38
That's what you want... MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #39
I didn't "throw" anything. Agschmid Apr 2016 #40
I never did... MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #44
People will continue to laugh. KPN Apr 2016 #8
K&R. pacalo Apr 2016 #9
Voting is too crucial to be casual about. senz Apr 2016 #10
Good idea... MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #15
Those who used to laugh it off used to all be republicans. vintx Apr 2016 #41
There are petitions to sign at the link nt felix_numinous Apr 2016 #17
.... CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #19
This is one, just one, of many reasons I would never vote for or support Hillary. djean111 Apr 2016 #23
So basically lies and name-calling? Dem2 Apr 2016 #49
The fact that she will not speak out... peace13 Apr 2016 #66
This is why I pretend to vote anymore nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #24
This is awesome BUT snot Apr 2016 #25
And PS, Hillaryites: snot Apr 2016 #26
I honestly think they see no problem with it, and, in fact, admire it and are proud of it. djean111 Apr 2016 #52
Nobody can just lose gracefully anymore. nt nolawarlock Apr 2016 #27
I was going to say, "You've got to be kidding me!" dchill Apr 2016 #28
Oh? nolawarlock Apr 2016 #29
After she made her deal. dchill Apr 2016 #30
Yes ... nolawarlock Apr 2016 #31
Now I know you're kidding me. dchill Apr 2016 #32
Gracefully now means shady as fuck. Juicy_Bellows Apr 2016 #37
It's really hard getting used to Newspeak Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #42
The rich and powerful will not lose. Is that why you choose their side? They will lie, cheat and rhett o rick Apr 2016 #33
I choose my side ... nolawarlock Apr 2016 #35
We're gonna need a lot more ointment 'round these parts. randome Apr 2016 #43
People are still laughing...nt SidDithers Apr 2016 #45
Have you ever heard of a typo? hrmjustin Apr 2016 #50
K & R lmbradford Apr 2016 #54
For those of you who don't wish to do the math. Dem2 Apr 2016 #57
“If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it.” ― Mark Twain DookDook Apr 2016 #58
Good post, thanks! All too true, we are a failed state....essentially true. Certainly NOT a haikugal Apr 2016 #62
A big Elephant in the room kgnu_fan Apr 2016 #67
speculation and conjecture are not the allies you want to rely on... Blue_Tires Apr 2016 #68
Have you seen this study of NY Dem primary exit polling? senz Apr 2016 #69
And here I thought only republicans ripped off elections. onecaliberal Apr 2016 #76

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
56. In this election, the numbers are direct from the central state vote tabulators.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:25 AM
Apr 2016

no human intervention involved. Centralized electronic voter registration integrated into the (required) State central vote tabulation software was rolled out (and federally subsidized) for this election.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
59. See post #57
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:30 AM
Apr 2016

Clearly an error was made, these happen ALL THE TIME - I've seen so many in my years watching returns roll in that I barely blink and eye when I see an obvious mistake corrected. These corrections are often mentioned on TV broadcasts too - they are very common.

Math.

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
60. I don't dispute the error. Read my post. When it comes to vote reporting, this election
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:38 AM
Apr 2016

is different from all before it due to the software change. There were no humans transcribing numbers onto a screen as in previous years.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
63. A non-human could not have made such an error
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:43 AM
Apr 2016

I would assume that the NYT feed is tied in directly (or whatever feed that misguided blogger was using), but I've heard the geeks on cable news mention transposition errors, it does seem odd that a human would be transcribing this information, but somewhere along the line an error was made. Perhaps the ballots aren't all machine tabulated in DE and the error started there where votes are counted and flowed through from there?

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
65. The software allows for human corrections in the tabulated numbers but the algorithm producing the
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:55 AM
Apr 2016

error runs first, uncovering the error. The error producing set of conditions may have originated any number of ways and therefore can't be diagnosed without a forensic investigation. The flag here is a software algorithm issue generated a false result which should spur a software forensic investigation except, smack, the software is proprietary & a trade secret.

Response to ViseGrip (Reply #4)

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
5. And the tinfoil stuff begins
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:45 PM
Apr 2016

And once again, there is no comment or challenge by an actual Sanders campaign official. Just blogs and their "theories".

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
12. This may shock you...
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:09 AM
Apr 2016

But, I hear that campaign officials are not the ones who analyze electronic voting, nor verify anything here. Isn't that just amazing?

You can pick me up a box of Reynolds Aluminum Foil, too, Tarc.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
47. Yes, it is, as it'd be Sanders' legal counsel who would advise on the feasibility of any lawsuit
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:28 AM
Apr 2016

Funny how they have not done so.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
55. Tragic that Clinton has not spoken out about election fraud.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:24 AM
Apr 2016

AZ was a prime example. Hurry up and vote for her because these problems will not be resolved by her administration. She doesn't see it as a problem. Same as you. Kiss your rights goodbye!

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
61. The DoJ is investigating Arizona, that's taken care of
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:40 AM
Apr 2016

The rest of the "fraud!" cries are largely Camp Sanders nonsense.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
64. You speak of what you can not know.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:49 AM
Apr 2016

Election fraud has been rampant in most states this primary. Have you ever worked an election poll or witnessed a 'recount'? If you had you would not be so certain of your view. I have stood on the streets of Columbus, Ohio day after day trying to make certain that the vote count was true for all Americans. That election went down...stolen.. With one hundred people on the street. That was it. That is how apathetic our citizens are. Go ahead and dance the last nail in the coffin. You, represent the majority. Pity that!

pacalo

(24,721 posts)
11. Agschmid, Sanders went from 6,000 votes to 2,000
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:05 AM
Apr 2016

in one county in Deleware.

How does a candidate get votes subtracted?

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
13. Typo
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:09 AM
Apr 2016

The percentages reported tell the story, he couldn't possibly have that many votes with the percent that had reported at the time.

I'm certain is was a transposed pair of numbers or a typo, it happens all the time. I've seen so many of these corrections, but I think nothing of it as I know these numbers are typed in by fallible humans. I spotted the issue in the link with this post within 30 seconds. Easy stuff for numbers people.

pacalo

(24,721 posts)
18. Trustworthiness, or lack thereof, is a big factor here.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:24 AM
Apr 2016

Considering who it is & the ambition so fierce she made sure she had a stacked deck before she had a Democratic opponent, I'm not convinced this is human "error".

... he couldn't possibly have that many votes with the percent that had reported at the time.


Elections have been projected just as quickly.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
48. You understand why Bernie couldn't have had more votes than the % reporting would indicate, right?
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:07 AM
Apr 2016

It's so simple, even a 5th grader could handle this problem.

See post 57 for the math.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
71. do you have something to say or you just posting mindless links
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:31 PM
Apr 2016

Where people who can't comprehend what happens hundreds of times on Election night - a tabulation error - say something that's inherently obvious?

Do you actually have an opinion or ...?

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
73. I showed that it was just a tabulation error happens all the time
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:39 PM
Apr 2016

You haven't proven anything - you can't just keep asking the question over and over again when you know the answer -it's silly.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
74. Is it possible that you have NO answer to that question you never answered?
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:07 PM
Apr 2016

Maybe you need to concentrate on your reading comprehension.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
77. I've seen it, and since this has nothing to do with that, but more to the point of the question...
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:05 PM
Apr 2016

... which you don't think you can answer...

I think it's time you just played with someone else, because YOU don't even get what is being question. Well, you do, but why would you care?

Response to pacalo (Reply #21)

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
38. Really you are going to go with an attack?
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 06:30 AM
Apr 2016

Have at me.

I dealt with bullies when I came out in junior high school this poor unfortunate poster can handle whatever bullishit you want to throw at me.

Lol.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
39. That's what you want...
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 07:13 AM
Apr 2016

You want to be mentioned by name, to which I say, "why bother enticing something like your posts when you can pity their source?"

Sorry you, like many, many (too many) were bullied in junior high school, but this is a discussion board. You'll have to throw your own shit, because non of it sticks here.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
44. I never did...
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 07:26 AM
Apr 2016

But, if you insist... I'm sorry referring to what you said was from an "unfortunate" poster hurt your feelings.

I still think what you say here is designed to hurt others, so why don't you throw THAT out.

KPN

(15,646 posts)
8. People will continue to laugh.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:57 PM
Apr 2016

We need a voting system that has unquestionable integrity. Getting that would probably take a lot of human-power, especially if it is balanced. The first step is accepting these irregularities at face value. Then monitoring closely but in balanced fashion. I doubt that the first will occur though. The entrenched interests have too much (in their view) at stake and a lot of money. The commoner has a lot at stake too -- but far less money and must rely on movements to protect their interests. Tough rowing in the face of divide and conquer planning and operations with big money backing it.

On the other hand, real revolutions don't get put down. Are we seeing a real revolution? .... It is if we want it so. Do we?

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
10. Voting is too crucial to be casual about.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:03 AM
Apr 2016

This should be taken seriously and investigated.

Those who want it to be ignored should be ignored themselves.

Let's get to the bottom of it.

 

vintx

(1,748 posts)
41. Those who used to laugh it off used to all be republicans.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 07:19 AM
Apr 2016

2000, 2004...

This isn't the party it used to be.

Andy Stephenson would be so proud of so many people here.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
23. This is one, just one, of many reasons I would never vote for or support Hillary.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:49 AM
Apr 2016

Hate her policies, hate her deeds, hate her cheating and lying.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
49. So basically lies and name-calling?
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:09 AM
Apr 2016

Just admit you hate her guts and would believe the most over-the-top made up tinfoil bullshit against her.

Also, see http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511845492#post57 for the math.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
66. The fact that she will not speak out...
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:55 AM
Apr 2016

...about voting irregularities is very odd. Winning at all costs. Even if she didn't rig it, there are questions that she should address! Either way it's dishonest.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
24. This is why I pretend to vote anymore
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:51 AM
Apr 2016

in pretend elections. I know it irritates some people, but that is the reality.

snot

(10,530 posts)
25. This is awesome BUT
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:56 AM
Apr 2016

Can anyone provide more info about the source?????

I find it all only too plausible; just want to make sure we're not being Ratherized.

snot

(10,530 posts)
26. And PS, Hillaryites:
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:07 AM
Apr 2016

If you have any actual evidence/bases for discrediting the source, PLEASE SHARE.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
52. I honestly think they see no problem with it, and, in fact, admire it and are proud of it.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:17 AM
Apr 2016

The Democratic tent is pretty much in rags and tatters. I won't be in it.

dchill

(38,503 posts)
28. I was going to say, "You've got to be kidding me!"
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:14 AM
Apr 2016

But then I realized, you've got to be kidding yourself.

nolawarlock

(1,729 posts)
31. Yes ...
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:21 AM
Apr 2016

... and she did so behind the scenes ... gracefully ... which is what I'm talking about. I'm guessing Bernie's gonna go out like the people flouncing on message boards going on about how they'll never vote for her.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
33. The rich and powerful will not lose. Is that why you choose their side? They will lie, cheat and
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:28 AM
Apr 2016

steal elections. We are fighting for lives in the 99% that the Rich And Powerful don't care about.

nolawarlock

(1,729 posts)
35. I choose my side ...
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:30 AM
Apr 2016

... and the side of my family.

You know nothing about me. According to half the people who have fired at me in the past week, I'm a paid troll and not even a real person. If I'm not a real person, then I don't even have a choice so why are you concerned about it?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
43. We're gonna need a lot more ointment 'round these parts.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 07:26 AM
Apr 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
57. For those of you who don't wish to do the math.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:26 AM
Apr 2016

There was a total of 15,973 votes total cast in Sussex County Delaware last night, see http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/delaware

At the time the screenshot was taken, it was reported that 16.4% of the vote was in:

Bernie: 6247
Hillary: 1250

So one would have to believe that 6247+1250 = 7497 votes was 16.9% of 15,973!

Actually, that works out to be 47% of the vote (7497/15973.)

This is impossible and was clearly a typographical error.

__________________________________________________

After they fixed the typo, the numbers make more sense:

39.7% reporting

Hillary: 3592
Bernie: 2383

5,975 votes combined or 37.4% of the total votes cast.

The reason the % reporting and actual percent of total don't match exactly is due to variations in the size and turnout of various precincts within a county.

So, in conclusion, the numbers of votes reported when 16.4% had reported was clearly a typo which was later corrected.

Case closed.

DookDook

(166 posts)
58. “If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it.” ― Mark Twain
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:30 AM
Apr 2016

I only vote because I like to think that I can be the mote in God's eye.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
69. Have you seen this study of NY Dem primary exit polling?
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 05:35 PM
Apr 2016
https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2016/04/20/ny-democratic-primary-more-frustration/

Only 22% of approximately 8 million registered voters turned out. Clinton won by 57.9-42.1%.

The UNADJUSTED exit poll indicated a close race. Hillary led by just 52-48%, an 11.8% discrepancy from the recorded vote. There were 1391 respondents and a 2.6% exit poll Margin of Error. Clinton led by a whopping 62-38% in the vote count with 33% of precincts reporting.

At 9:03 pm, there were 1307 exit poll respondents, Clinton led the actual count by 680-627 (52.0-48.0%). With just 84 additional respondents (1391 total), Clinton’s lead increased to 802-589 (57.7-42.3%). She had 122 additional respondents and Sanders had 38 fewer.

How can Clinton gain 122 of 84 respondents? How can Sanders’ total drop? They can’t. It is mathematically impossible. Therefore the final vote has to be impossible as well. . The exit poll was forced to match the recorded vote with impossible adjustments.

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