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reformist2

(9,841 posts)
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:49 PM Apr 2016

WARNING: the general election isn't a closed primary. Independents and (gasp) even Repubs can vote!


Sure they're whooping it up now with the results of their little closed primaries where outsiders aren't allowed, but overly enthusiastic Hillary supporters need to think twice about what they're doing.
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WARNING: the general election isn't a closed primary. Independents and (gasp) even Repubs can vote! (Original Post) reformist2 Apr 2016 OP
Hillary is projected to landslide Trump. JaneyVee Apr 2016 #1
What projection is that?? Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #16
these? onenote Apr 2016 #43
People Will Get Up Off Of Their DEATH Beds To Vote AGAINST Hillary! CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #45
We know that but every state has rules. hrmjustin Apr 2016 #2
Why should we think twice about winning ? Trust Buster Apr 2016 #3
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #4
One thing I DO know about HRC ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #17
Unfortunately for her, being the clear choice of Dems in what has been mostly low turnout JimDandy Apr 2016 #36
Okay ... Another thing I know ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #41
True... n/t JimDandy Apr 2016 #42
So do you really think Andy823 Apr 2016 #44
So your hoping Hillary loses? Figures. nt Jitter65 Apr 2016 #5
AL, AR, GA, IL, MS, MO, SC, TN, VA, TX all had open primaries oberliner Apr 2016 #6
LALALALALALALALLaLaLa!!!!!! OP can't hear you!!!!! JoePhilly Apr 2016 #39
Clearly not oberliner Apr 2016 #48
Thanks for the help! And you're wrong. randome Apr 2016 #7
... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #24
I'd feel...icky if I were to thank them for strengthening the Democratic Party. randome Apr 2016 #27
Clinton should have thought about that last night Kittycat Apr 2016 #8
Indies are free to vote in closed primaries. All they have to do is register as a Democrat. LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #15
Like I said. Clinton's statement said it all. Kittycat Apr 2016 #21
Then what is the point of closed primaries? hellofromreddit Apr 2016 #26
To lock out right-wing subterfuge. You wanna hedge or pick a team? No day traders! LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #32
But all they have to do is register. So how does it stop them? hellofromreddit Apr 2016 #33
They have to make a commitment to register. I would make it a 3 month deadline. LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #35
If you make it 3 months spoilers can just register 3 months out, so you solve nothing hellofromreddit Apr 2016 #40
Nope....still not scared. Y'all keep bringing it up until you're blue in the face though n/t UMTerp01 Apr 2016 #9
WARNING? DU is not the national electorate and independents are not all sanders supporters msongs Apr 2016 #10
Polls do though, and Independents do not like Hillary Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #20
The Democratic Primary is a series of elections where Democrats choose their candidate. Anyone LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #11
Except in many states, you had to register months in advance! Not very welcoming. reformist2 Apr 2016 #18
Bernie announced in April of 2015. Hedgers can't be choosers. Pick a team. NYers had 5 months LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #23
Her unfavorables have hit 67% and all time high!!!!! ViseGrip Apr 2016 #12
PS. no one elected with her numbers YET! ViseGrip Apr 2016 #13
Yeah and quite a few GOP types Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #14
What is it with Sanders supporters that they can't understand the difference between a primary NuclearDem Apr 2016 #19
My thoughts exactly jimlup Apr 2016 #22
Well thank you kindly for the advice ismnotwasm Apr 2016 #25
Many Independents will vote for Hillary. n/t puffy socks Apr 2016 #28
And many will not. bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #31
Lol... northernsouthern Apr 2016 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #30
And the Republicans are better at fixing general exlections. nt beedle Apr 2016 #34
Your concern is noted. beaglelover Apr 2016 #37
Heres a really stupid rhetorical question. William769 Apr 2016 #38
... SidDithers Apr 2016 #46
Jill Stein pens open letter to Bernie: Go Vols Apr 2016 #47

onenote

(42,714 posts)
43. these?
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:29 PM
Apr 2016
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

Note that the one poll that is relatively close is done by a republican polling outfit.

Or these:http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-general-election-trump-vs-clinton

Or check the state by state polls on realclearpolitics. Clinton is defeating Trump by double digits in almost every state with a poll.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
45. People Will Get Up Off Of Their DEATH Beds To Vote AGAINST Hillary!
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:33 PM
Apr 2016

For many reaons... But that is the TRUTH! She should have made a choice... Go for the money or go for public service... She merely "used" the later in order to further her ends in the former... Pitiful!

Here she is...

Response to reformist2 (Original post)

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
36. Unfortunately for her, being the clear choice of Dems in what has been mostly low turnout
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:20 PM
Apr 2016

in closed primaries doesn't translate into a win in the GE. Independents make up the largest part of registered voters. If the GE were held now, with no rules blocking his access to be on the ballot, Sanders would win it hands down and everyone knows that. If Sanders is not the Dem nominee, it will be interesting to see in the Nov GE what all those independents do who were frustrated by the primary process.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
41. Okay ... Another thing I know ...
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:28 PM
Apr 2016

Democrats, left-leaning Independents, and moderate republicans ... all hate trump.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
44. So do you really think
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:30 PM
Apr 2016

All those independents are so stupid they are "all" going to vote for Trump? I really doubt it. Hell even a lot of republicans are not going to vote for Trump. I don't then there is anything to worry about, contrary all the bull we here on DU about her losing to trump.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
7. Thanks for the help! And you're wrong.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:53 PM
Apr 2016
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-most-important-poll-you-didn-t-see

Take all that together and you come away with pretty clear evidence that over the course of the Democratic primary young voters have become more attached to progressive politics and the Democratic party. One read of this is that the primary process itself - as divisive as it has sometimes seemed - has deepened young voters' identification with the Democratic party.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
24. ...
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:01 PM
Apr 2016
One read of this is that the primary process itself - as divisive as it has sometimes seemed - has deepened young voters' identification with the Democratic party.


Which probably explains all the Democratic Party = bad talk from some quarters.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
27. I'd feel...icky if I were to thank them for strengthening the Democratic Party.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:05 PM
Apr 2016

But that's kind of what they did, I think. Just goes to show what not being organized or willing to work as part of a team will do.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
8. Clinton should have thought about that last night
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:53 PM
Apr 2016

With her real votes no compromise, no unity, comment. She gave her marching orders to her people in that statement. And told 42% of dems and indies who support Bernie but couldn't vote that she doesn't need us.

LuvLoogie

(7,011 posts)
15. Indies are free to vote in closed primaries. All they have to do is register as a Democrat.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:57 PM
Apr 2016

There are no Political Thought Police.

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
21. Like I said. Clinton's statement said it all.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:00 PM
Apr 2016

Then for the first time all season, I turned off a townhall/debate. There was no point in listening any more. Click.

 

hellofromreddit

(1,182 posts)
26. Then what is the point of closed primaries?
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:05 PM
Apr 2016

Seems like all they do is add room for more errors that lock out voters.

LuvLoogie

(7,011 posts)
35. They have to make a commitment to register. I would make it a 3 month deadline.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:18 PM
Apr 2016

Are you a Democrat or a Republican? If you don't want to say until the last minute, you are a hedger. If you are unafiliated, then you are unaffiliated. Party primaries are for party members to choose their candidate. Unafiliated can run a slate of unafiliated candidates and vote in that primary. Why don't they?

 

hellofromreddit

(1,182 posts)
40. If you make it 3 months spoilers can just register 3 months out, so you solve nothing
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:25 PM
Apr 2016

But it still increases the number of voters who get locked out of the process due to honest errors. How is that beneficial?

msongs

(67,413 posts)
10. WARNING? DU is not the national electorate and independents are not all sanders supporters
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:55 PM
Apr 2016

sanders et al do not speak for all independents or probably even most of them.

LuvLoogie

(7,011 posts)
11. The Democratic Primary is a series of elections where Democrats choose their candidate. Anyone
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:56 PM
Apr 2016

is free to register as a Democrat. There are no Political Thought Police.

LuvLoogie

(7,011 posts)
23. Bernie announced in April of 2015. Hedgers can't be choosers. Pick a team. NYers had 5 months
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:01 PM
Apr 2016

edit to add: Bernie picked the Dems. That should have been a clue.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
19. What is it with Sanders supporters that they can't understand the difference between a primary
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:58 PM
Apr 2016

and a general election?

Response to reformist2 (Original post)

William769

(55,147 posts)
38. Heres a really stupid rhetorical question.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:21 PM
Apr 2016

Why even have primaries if you let anyone vote?

I swear to God some people just drive me fucking nuts with the shit they post.

Go Vols

(5,902 posts)
47. Jill Stein pens open letter to Bernie:
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:39 PM
Apr 2016
Green Party presidential candidate invites Sanders to “cooperate on political revolution”
"The Democratic machine has launched an unjust attack on your campaign," Stein writes to Sanders


http://www.salon.com/2016/04/25/jill_stein_pens_open_letter_to_bernie_sanders_green_party_presidential_candidate_invites_sanders_to_cooperate_on_political_revolution/
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