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Trump is already using Bernie's own words to attack Clinton. (Original Post) NuclearDem Apr 2016 OP
So? Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #1
Wow. Who could have seen that coming?...nt SidDithers Apr 2016 #2
Yeah, we've seen it before. When McCain used Clinton's words against Obama. nt TheBlackAdder Apr 2016 #63
"the level of hatred" Yeah, that is unfortunate, even if he could nt back it up with a good quote bettyellen Apr 2016 #3
He's a stealer. Loudestlib Apr 2016 #4
+1 *snort* dchill Apr 2016 #53
Because it's a valid attack...? Jester Messiah Apr 2016 #5
Actually, it was your candidate that gave them the ammunition. NuclearDem Apr 2016 #9
...really... Jester Messiah Apr 2016 #11
Trump didn't call her that. NuclearDem Apr 2016 #12
Be patient. Jester Messiah Apr 2016 #17
The criticisms have a lot more force coming from a fellow Democrat. woolldog Apr 2016 #37
Hurting Hillary is not hurting the country. Jester Messiah Apr 2016 #38
Since she is the inevitable nominee woolldog Apr 2016 #39
Nominating her was the greatest harm one could inflict on the country. Jester Messiah Apr 2016 #41
That may very well be, woolldog Apr 2016 #43
No. "We" don't. n/t Jester Messiah Apr 2016 #44
MAKING Hillary the nominee John Poet Apr 2016 #51
YEAH!!! ok and I have some land to sell bigdarryl Apr 2016 #50
Sanders had no business calling out Hillary carburyme Apr 2016 #48
But Clinton claims he's NOT a Democrat! dchill Apr 2016 #57
Did he also include the part where Sanders said Goblinmonger Apr 2016 #65
+1000 Shadowflash Apr 2016 #55
Um no, Trump has an arsenal stored away in his Tower Armstead Apr 2016 #46
wait, what? So Democrats should not be held accountable for their behavior JCanete Apr 2016 #49
She offered the ammunition herself. Now we are gonna blame Bernie for what comes out of bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #54
What? Words like "the" and "she"? Barack_America Apr 2016 #6
Actually, the word was "unqualified." NuclearDem Apr 2016 #8
Hillary's communication director started it by calling Bernie unqualified...... virtualobserver Apr 2016 #16
No, actually. NuclearDem Apr 2016 #18
no, Hillary's communications director DID call him unqualified..... virtualobserver Apr 2016 #23
Exactly, "unqualified" hitting Hillary from Trump is the boomerang effect dreamnightwind Apr 2016 #24
She said close to that.... Armstead Apr 2016 #47
This is false on its face uponit7771 Apr 2016 #31
And? It obviously didn't work too well for Bernie Sanders so who cares? Seeinghope Apr 2016 #7
He doesn't need Bernie's words. There is an AVALANCHE of facts they can use. Skwmom Apr 2016 #10
No worries. He'll get a fresh supply from the FBI report. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #13
Still hoping on the Indictment Fairy? NuclearDem Apr 2016 #14
Well, the Dems will sure have the better hand in that game ... Onlooker Apr 2016 #15
I saw that. Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #19
Something must be wrong with my eyes ismnotwasm Apr 2016 #20
It must be your eyes. NuclearDem Apr 2016 #21
yeah, I guess you must be right. ismnotwasm Apr 2016 #32
The fact that you think Skinner pays much attention to what goes on here is a laugh Matt_in_STL Apr 2016 #61
If you think Trump will only be as "nasty" as Sanders was Goblinmonger Apr 2016 #67
That's politics. Autumn Apr 2016 #22
Someone told me that recently SwampG8r Apr 2016 #69
Some of her supporters will be in a constant uproar. Autumn Apr 2016 #70
I saw that! He's also encouraging Bernie to run 3rd party and saying he was R B Garr Apr 2016 #25
Shame on Bernie for running against the party establishment's chosen one dreamnightwind Apr 2016 #26
Apparently the party voters' chosen one as well. NuclearDem Apr 2016 #27
What, the establishment had no influence? dreamnightwind Apr 2016 #28
Bernie, how could you? Broward Apr 2016 #29
.So LyndaG Apr 2016 #30
Thought she was tough? Thought she was vetted? AzDar Apr 2016 #33
Yes, she is. NuclearDem Apr 2016 #34
By 'Republican's dirty work' you mean her RECORD, right? Because that's an apropos title... AzDar Apr 2016 #36
Oh, the humanity. frylock Apr 2016 #35
OK. Does this carry significance for you? Your analysis and conclusion are missing. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #40
Good hellofromreddit Apr 2016 #42
You mean, the way McCain used Hillary's own words to attack Obama? Jim Lane Apr 2016 #45
Every election this happens of course. That's the system. Big fucking deal. HERVEPA Apr 2016 #52
I don't know that her vote on Iraq or sadoldgirl Apr 2016 #56
The idea that the GOP needs any insider help to attack Hillary.... AZ Mike Apr 2016 #58
It's pretty much over... JSup Apr 2016 #59
Of course Bernie is to blame for Hillary's' own actions in Autumn Apr 2016 #60
I don't think the blame game is going to defeat Trump. Waiting For Everyman Apr 2016 #62
Don't worry timmymoff Apr 2016 #64
Well, he doesn't actually know many. n/t Orsino Apr 2016 #66
Oh my gosh, I'm sure Trump would never have used that word!!11! riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #68
 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
5. Because it's a valid attack...?
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:23 PM
Apr 2016

This is who you chose for the general election. You must have known that this was coming. Don't blame her opponents for mining the rich veins of material that she makes available.

 

woolldog

(8,791 posts)
37. The criticisms have a lot more force coming from a fellow Democrat.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:05 PM
Apr 2016

Trump can argue that he's simply quoting Sanders. That is why Dems don't call other Dems running for President unqualified. Sanders is an idiot and he's hurt the country with the way hes run his campaign.

 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
38. Hurting Hillary is not hurting the country.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:07 PM
Apr 2016

The criticisms coming from Sanders are justified and valid. Don't blame him for pointing out the obvious flaws in his opponent.

 

woolldog

(8,791 posts)
39. Since she is the inevitable nominee
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:09 PM
Apr 2016

and has been for a long time, yes it hurts the country. This is a zero sum game. Anything that hurts Hillary, helps Trump. And anything that helps Trump, hurts the country.

 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
41. Nominating her was the greatest harm one could inflict on the country.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:10 PM
Apr 2016

Since it gives Trump a viable shot at the presidency.

carburyme

(146 posts)
48. Sanders had no business calling out Hillary
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:10 PM
Apr 2016

Unqualified! He knew he went out of bounds and retracted his statement.

Trump can quote all Bernie's vile statement against HRC all he want but that doesn't make it true.

4 million American voters so far thinks she's more than qualified!!

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
65. Did he also include the part where Sanders said
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:10 PM
Apr 2016

that she would be a better president than any Republican they could put up against her?

Because he said that, too. But keep piling on Sanders like every bad thing Clinton did is his fault.

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
49. wait, what? So Democrats should not be held accountable for their behavior
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:14 PM
Apr 2016

because republicans might use the line of attack? Is that really what you're saying, because from my perspective, our candidates should just be better, so that we could hammer Republicans on their quid pro quos, but since our side does the same shit, neither side ever touches the third rail of campaign finance in a serious, directed way. Trump is the only wildcard on that side of the aisle that would bring this up, and its still ridiculous for him to do so because he has absolutely been involved in buying politicians from the industry side. Its not going to win him the election anyway, but how are we ever going to be better if we're just supposed to be playing a team sport where our side is always right so long as we don't look too closely.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
54. She offered the ammunition herself. Now we are gonna blame Bernie for what comes out of
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:18 PM
Apr 2016

Trump's mouth LOL..........

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
16. Hillary's communication director started it by calling Bernie unqualified......
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:28 PM
Apr 2016

and Hillary would not refute it when asked.

That is what happens when you play dirty, Hillary......what comes around goes around.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
18. No, actually.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:29 PM
Apr 2016

The Washington Post wrote the headline using that word.

Because Bernie Sanders doesn't do his homework, he didn't read any further than that and made an ass of himself.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
23. no, Hillary's communications director DID call him unqualified.....
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:41 PM
Apr 2016

then when Hillary was asked the next day about what her communication director said....she wouldn't say that he was qualified....then she listed what she considered to be Bernie's many shortcomings.

Did she disavow what her communication director had said? No she didn't...She reinforced it with criticisms of Bernie.

This is the way that an evasive politician communicates. The headline correctly expressed her sentiment, it wasn't quoting her.

So, she deserves what she gets.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
47. She said close to that....
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:09 PM
Apr 2016

she said the equivalent...and if you think Trump would have made a distinction...

 

Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
15. Well, the Dems will sure have the better hand in that game ...
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:28 PM
Apr 2016

... There are fare more Republican on Republican attacks than there are Democrat on Democrat attacks.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
21. It must be your eyes.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:33 PM
Apr 2016

There's no way Skinner is tolerating people using his website to talk up that fascist clown.

 

Matt_in_STL

(1,446 posts)
61. The fact that you think Skinner pays much attention to what goes on here is a laugh
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:18 PM
Apr 2016

He turned the site into a free for all of lit up transparency pages and sits back to count his fees from star members. It's great work if you can get it.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
67. If you think Trump will only be as "nasty" as Sanders was
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:13 PM
Apr 2016

I have a bridge to sell you. I'm sure he has much worse yet to come.

SwampG8r

(10,287 posts)
69. Someone told me that recently
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:42 PM
Apr 2016

Suggested a thicker skin........
Bill had the advantage of the defense by everyday dems to get him through
I even defended him at the time....for 8 years.
I dont see myself managing a shrug in her defense....
Gonna be a long 4 years...for her fans.

Autumn

(45,106 posts)
70. Some of her supporters will be in a constant uproar.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:54 PM
Apr 2016
I defended her all though Bills administration as first lady, I defended her as a NY senator, I defended her till she conceded in 08 when I supported her last run for president. I defended her as SOS til her we came we saw he died shit, I won't waste another fucking second of my life defending her from anyone or anything.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
25. I saw that! He's also encouraging Bernie to run 3rd party and saying he was
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:45 PM
Apr 2016

treated poorly by the Dem Party. YET, Trump didn't want to run 3rd party and fought for his spot as a legit GOP front-runner. What a phony.

LyndaG

(683 posts)
30. .So
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:50 PM
Apr 2016

Think of all the stuff his Primary opponents have said about Trump. Very useful. And, that's only the beginning.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
34. Yes, she is.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:55 PM
Apr 2016

Though it doesn't help to have supposed progressives doing the Republicans' dirty work for them.

 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
36. By 'Republican's dirty work' you mean her RECORD, right? Because that's an apropos title...
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:00 PM
Apr 2016

Including Hit after Hit after HIT.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
45. You mean, the way McCain used Hillary's own words to attack Obama?
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:01 PM
Apr 2016

Well, not just her words, but her dramatic TV commercial painting Obama as too inexperienced and/or immature to handle a foreign crisis.

From "McCain ad returns to Clinton's 3 a.m. phone call":

Republican John McCain's latest TV spot is playing off Hillary Rodham Clinton's best-known ad against Barack Obama to heighten any concerns that Obama isn't ready to take a 3 a.m. phone call that could signal a crisis demanding judgment and experience.

The McCain ad debuted Tuesday, just hours before Clinton was to address the Democratic National Convention in Denver. While she was expected to repeat her post-primary support for Obama's candidacy in an effort to bring her supporters to his side, McCain's campaign didn't want voters to forget that she had once considered McCain to be more experienced.

Opening with a scene lifted from Clinton's old ad, the McCain spot then switches to scenes of war, missiles and hooded gunmen as an announcer says: "Uncertainty. Dangerous aggression. Rogue nations. Radicalism." Clinton herself is shown saying: "I know Sen. McCain has a lifetime of experience that he will bring to the White House. And Sen. Obama has a speech he gave in 2002."


One difference, of course, is that Bernie merely made one comment. Naturally it was reported, but AFAIK Bernie hasn't spent millions of dollars blasting it at voters.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
56. I don't know that her vote on Iraq or
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:20 PM
Apr 2016

her choosing a private server can be called
good judgement, and that was what the word
"unqualified" implied.

However, she is so strong, that she will
handle it in a great way, right?

AZ Mike

(468 posts)
58. The idea that the GOP needs any insider help to attack Hillary....
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:25 PM
Apr 2016

....is the height of naivete.

They have a 25 year dossier on her. As a Bernie supporter, I recognize that that dossier is fluff, bullshit, and a coordinated strategy - a right wing smear campaign, nothing more. But I have strong policy differences with Hillary all on my own. There is no reason to go into "el shock-o dismay-o" mode over attacks on Hillary by the GOP. That's just absurd.

JSup

(740 posts)
59. It's pretty much over...
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:10 PM
Apr 2016

...instead of blaming (even if true, not saying either way) we should be working on proving his words wrong.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
64. Don't worry
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:07 PM
Apr 2016

she is tough and has been vetted. We know she is no longer for keystone , she's been vetted. And we know she is no longer for private prisons, she has been vetted, and we know she is no longer for TPP, she has been vetted. And we know she is for more war and regime change in the middle east her history and vetting showed us that. And we know she is anxious to lurch to the right, due to vetting we know her allegiance is with the 1% . She makes me lack pride in a once great party. Enjoy. I will get to tell you " I told you so" soon enough.

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