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Hillary reached out to Bernie in a very important way (Original Post) oberliner Apr 2016 OP
Yup. Agschmid Apr 2016 #1
so "important" and so "sincere"..... virtualobserver Apr 2016 #2
Class. Presidential. seabeyond Apr 2016 #5
Salesmanship Armstead Apr 2016 #34
No. Class. Presidential. seabeyond Apr 2016 #36
No Class. frylock Apr 2016 #61
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #39
Exactly passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #42
she is never right wing...93% of her votes were the Sander... Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #45
She was not at the town hall. Probably talked to about her attitude.Doesn't matter to many. bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #3
The best way to reach out is to assure them they have a place in her candidacy. highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #4
She didn't last night. Punkingal Apr 2016 #6
Yeah... It changes every 24 hours... MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #11
nope yuiyoshida Apr 2016 #41
this really explains it all. this is a must watch. eom passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #49
Yeah, that was annoying. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #60
Still in campaign mode last night apcalc Apr 2016 #52
HA! TrueDemVA Apr 2016 #7
She didn't poop on him, which is an improvement for her. CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #8
Because she WANTS something. pangaia Apr 2016 #16
the never would vote for hillary, never will vote for hillary group? there's always write-in nt msongs Apr 2016 #9
The paid trolls were the last straw. No vote from me. I could care less what happens to think Apr 2016 #10
She speaks out of both sides of her mouth. TM99 Apr 2016 #12
+100000000000000 snagglepuss Apr 2016 #17
I'm glad to see this. Amimnoch Apr 2016 #13
That's a meaningless thought. It seems meaningful but it's not when you dive into the facts. Chan790 Apr 2016 #23
Democrats and Republicans agree on more than 85% of issues: passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #59
But the 10 percent they don't agree on is Yuuuuge Armstead Apr 2016 #32
Yeah right we agree the people are human and deserve equal treatment under the law TheKentuckian Apr 2016 #46
We don't want praise. Chan790 Apr 2016 #14
Evolving to somethinhg that she just is not will not happen. pangaia Apr 2016 #19
Why? nolawarlock Apr 2016 #20
Actions, not words...it's hard to disbelieve actions of durable consequences. Chan790 Apr 2016 #33
I guess it doesn't really matter. nolawarlock Apr 2016 #38
I really don't believe she will if she doesn't find her way to changing. n/t Chan790 Apr 2016 #51
I guess we shall see. nt nolawarlock Apr 2016 #53
I doubt they noticed ... or cared. But it was very nice of her to do. NurseJackie Apr 2016 #15
The 'H' symbol might as well point downwards..... seekthetruth Apr 2016 #18
She did, indeed mcar Apr 2016 #21
I did not watch. oldandhappy Apr 2016 #22
Did she change any of her positions on anything? grntuscarora Apr 2016 #24
She highlighted the areas of agreement that she and Bernie have oberliner Apr 2016 #27
Difference is one has walked the walk, grntuscarora Apr 2016 #30
Last night she tells us we don't matter...Tonight she's all huggy huggy Armstead Apr 2016 #25
It's not up to Hillary to decide jimlup Apr 2016 #26
Bernie said it's up to Hillary to win over his supporters oberliner Apr 2016 #28
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #43
Indeed she was, but it will take a while Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #29
Hilary is a liar. She was more her real self last night - she does not need us, remember? djean111 Apr 2016 #31
There is nothing she can do that will get your vote Generic Brad Apr 2016 #44
I have never ever said she needed to do anything in order to get my vote. djean111 Apr 2016 #47
Well, good luck storming the castle then Generic Brad Apr 2016 #50
Oh, save it, really. djean111 Apr 2016 #54
As it should be. A class move. K & R nt Persondem Apr 2016 #35
Congratulations to Hillary. Condolences to Bernie and his supporters. Jitter65 Apr 2016 #37
Yes. It was very clear. DCBob Apr 2016 #40
What did she promise? Nothing? What a coincidence, I'm promising nothing too. n/t lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #48
Last night its fuck you, tonight its please love me riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #55
She is beneath my notice. djean111 Apr 2016 #56
Bernie specifically said that Hilary needs to reach out to his supporters oberliner Apr 2016 #58
Good. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #57

Response to Armstead (Reply #34)

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
45. she is never right wing...93% of her votes were the Sander...
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:34 PM
Apr 2016

And since he votes for the gun lobby...some of his were conservative leaning.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
60. Yeah, that was annoying.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:58 PM
Apr 2016

And a dumb response on her part.

I dislike her intensely. But that's nothing next to how intensely Republicans scare me. So I want her to be smart in both word and deed.

 

CentralCoaster

(1,163 posts)
8. She didn't poop on him, which is an improvement for her.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:50 PM
Apr 2016

But I don't call it reaching out in a special way, except that it was uncharacteristically respectful, better than usual.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
16. Because she WANTS something.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:56 PM
Apr 2016

The woman is insufferable.

The most horrible democratic candidate I can remember in my voting lifetime, which goes back to JFK.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
10. The paid trolls were the last straw. No vote from me. I could care less what happens to
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:51 PM
Apr 2016

Her scorched earth campaign...

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
12. She speaks out of both sides of her mouth.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:53 PM
Apr 2016

Why do you think we don't trust her.

Last night she was the arrogant queen refusing to do a damned thing for Sanders or his supporters.

Today after winning a net 81 delegates she says she feels differently?

Horseshit. She knows she needs us to win. And she should have thought of that the entire primary season. Oh well, sucks to get to the GE and then lose because you can't get the votes needed to win.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
13. I'm glad to see this.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:53 PM
Apr 2016

I get this is how primaries go, but it's been a really disheartening season when 2 sides who, when all the partisan shit and rhetoric is put aside likely agree on 90% or more of the issues that mean so much to us.

I'm hoping more follow her lead, and the sooner the better.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
23. That's a meaningless thought. It seems meaningful but it's not when you dive into the facts.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:08 PM
Apr 2016

A story. Very early on in my undergraduate career, 2nd day of Intro to American Government, Professor W made a provocative statement.

"Democrats and Republicans agree on more than 85% of issues."

We called bullshit. He challenged us. Giving us a list of issues (30 of them), the only issues we were allowed to discuss...we were asked to speak to each other for 20 minutes and accurately predict the political affiliations of our peers and the TAs. Anybody that got more than 23/25 correct got an A for the semester and never had to come to class again.

Nobody got better than 16/25. Why? Because his provocative statement is true...and those vast majority of issues go undebated, undisputed and unchallenged because nobody disagrees on them. Even Republicans generally believe that fire departments should be funded by taxpayer dollars and that subsidized school lunch programs are a good thing; even Democrats generally believe that we need a military for national defense; nobody believes that the US should not engage in foreign diplomacy to project our interests abroad. In 30 years of teaching, about 2800 undergrads, Professor W has never had to give out that A.

When all the partisan shit and rhetoric is put aside we all agree on 90% or more of issues with Rick Santorum and Paul Ryan too.

I should be concerned if we agreed with each other less than we agree with the GOP.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
59. Democrats and Republicans agree on more than 85% of issues:
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:57 PM
Apr 2016

I don't believe this.


and those vast majority of issues go undebated, undisputed and unchallenged because nobody disagrees on them.

It wasn't because we agreed on most issues...it was because we didn't have answers about how to deal with many issues. It takes planning and working together to try new things and because of the party divide that kind of cooperation is slim to none.

for example, you say even Democrats generally believe that we need a military for national defense; nobody believes that the US should not engage in foreign diplomacy to project our interests abroad.

That is true, but 'how' we engage is a very divisive issue. Not everyone thinks we have the right to rule over other sovereign countries and force regime change, just for our commercial benefit.

I don't believe in this age we agree to that level ...I think those are very old stats.
 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
32. But the 10 percent they don't agree on is Yuuuuge
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:20 PM
Apr 2016

Clinton will not fight for single payer coverage...or even a public option

She's perfectly happy with monopolies. She's perfectly happy with allowing a handful of immense banking empires to suck up the entire economy.

She'll negotiate with the GOP over Social Security and Medicare

Naw. I'm not gonna agree with her just because she's the nominee.

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
46. Yeah right we agree the people are human and deserve equal treatment under the law
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:35 PM
Apr 2016

Past that it is pretty clear all bets are off.

All we have is policy you folks want no part of.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
14. We don't want praise.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:54 PM
Apr 2016

We want her to listen to what we're actually saying about why she's unfit...and evolve into a candidate worth supporting.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
19. Evolving to somethinhg that she just is not will not happen.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:00 PM
Apr 2016

She is who she is and always has been.

The greed, the arrogance, the self-love is ingrained and will never come out. It is too late.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
33. Actions, not words...it's hard to disbelieve actions of durable consequences.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:21 PM
Apr 2016

If she said she was going to clean up Wall St. I'd be rightfully skeptical. If she declared her intention to appoint a bulldog prosecutor (by name!) that has gone after white collar crime as AG...I'd believe her then.

If she declared her intention to overturn the crime bill that Bill signed that functionally criminalized an entire generation of my inner-city peers...I wouldn't believe her. If she returned the donations she'd received from private prison companies...I might believe her.

If she could simply answer "No" to the fracking question or the FTA question instead of dithering and dancing around having to say an explicit "No" she won't allow fracking and an explicit "No" that TPP is dead and will not be reconsidered; that her intentions are to withdraw fully from the negotiations...that would lend confidence to my belief in her.

It's Hillary's fault, not ours, that we don't believe her. She's never met a question she won't give a slant answer to avoid having to take a position that she will commit to and not reconsider or reverse course. She even gives slant answers on whether she's consider working with the GOP to ban a woman's right to choose. We all know it's not on the table...even the GOP knows that...and she still couldn't say "Nope. It's a dead issue and I won't negotiate it with them." when she was asked by Chuck Todd in October.

She's not a person that inspires confidence in her honesty and until she becomes one, she's not someone to be believed.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
15. I doubt they noticed ... or cared. But it was very nice of her to do.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:54 PM
Apr 2016

I can't imagine Bernie being so gracious.

 

seekthetruth

(504 posts)
18. The 'H' symbol might as well point downwards.....
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:58 PM
Apr 2016

.....because if either Hillary or Trump get in, Wall Street is going to push the middle class even more downwards.

But, who cares? In less than a hundred years our coastal towns and cities will be half under water since this generation did nothing to begin the necessary changes to how we utilize our resources.

It'll be a sad day for this country when Hillary or Trump take office. Hell, they might as well get on the same ticket.

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
22. I did not watch.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:02 PM
Apr 2016

There have been so many trolls here I have backed off listening. The attacks on social media have shown a lot of disrespect to Bernie. Call off the social media attacks if you want me to listen. Thank you.

grntuscarora

(1,249 posts)
24. Did she change any of her positions on anything?
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:12 PM
Apr 2016

Is there any reason to trust her even if she did?

She is going to have to EARN my vote in November, and make no mistake, she has an uphill battle.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
25. Last night she tells us we don't matter...Tonight she's all huggy huggy
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:15 PM
Apr 2016

Typical.

I think last night was how she really sees it.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
26. It's not up to Hillary to decide
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:15 PM
Apr 2016

what and how we Bernie supporters decide what we are going to do next.

Just say'n. I'm glad to see that she is at least thinking about reconciliation but don't forget that there are still some very hard feelings. At best it will take some time.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
28. Bernie said it's up to Hillary to win over his supporters
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:16 PM
Apr 2016

It seems like she took a step in that direction with her speech tonight. Or at least attempted to do so.

Response to oberliner (Reply #28)

Maru Kitteh

(28,340 posts)
29. Indeed she was, but it will take a while
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:17 PM
Apr 2016

It's not going to settle out overnight. Feelings and pride are bruised. Passions have been genuine and intense. But in the end it's going to be okay.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
31. Hilary is a liar. She was more her real self last night - she does not need us, remember?
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:19 PM
Apr 2016

In any event - she is still a Third Way warmonger who reports to Wall Street, right? Nothing she says, at this point, can override that. No fucking sale.

Generic Brad

(14,275 posts)
44. There is nothing she can do that will get your vote
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:31 PM
Apr 2016

So why should she make an effort?

When my daughter was young and demanded things I would say to her "What do you get when you have the gimmes? Nothing." If you take a stance where there is no negotiating, forgiveness or concessions then you get what you deserve which is nothing.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
47. I have never ever said she needed to do anything in order to get my vote.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:36 PM
Apr 2016

I have been up front about that from the first.

She cannot get my vote. She is a Third Way warmonger.

The calls for "party unity" are ridiculous. And she agrees with me on that - she said, basically, fuck you Bernie supporters, I don't need you and I won't change a thing.

She has no intention of negotiating, and no one would believe her if she did. She says take it or leave it, and I will leave it. Simple as that. We are not children. We are afraid for our children.

Generic Brad

(14,275 posts)
50. Well, good luck storming the castle then
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:44 PM
Apr 2016

You have a lot of anger that will remain unresolved. I feel for you.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
56. She is beneath my notice.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:51 PM
Apr 2016

Newsflash to those pimping the "Hillary reached out" bullshit - no one believes a damned word she says. Not one word. And she is still a proud Third Way warmonger.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
58. Bernie specifically said that Hilary needs to reach out to his supporters
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:56 PM
Apr 2016

Isn't this exactly what she needs to do?

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