Okay Wall St. Looks like you have your country back....Phew that was a scare

[Armstead]

Now you can get down to business again. Don't have to worry about pesky progressives. Both parties have your backs.

[mooseprime]

1. Maybe just merge

The two parties

[dreamnightwind]

9. Yes, a corporate merger, perfect!

Republicrats Inc.

[2banon]

78. Republicrats Inc.

Good one!

[dreamnightwind]

79. Someone should make a meme out of it!

I don't do the social media thing or I'd try. Might have legs.

[LondonReign2]

99. Done

Celebrating all of Nancy Reagan's tireless work on AIDS

[arikara]

21. No they will never do that

they have to keep the myth of a 2 party system.

[2banon]

77. Wonder how many more election cycles before they finally pull the thick woolen veil off their eyes?

[OnionPatch]

104. They'll keep us divided over social issues.

And other things that don't really matter to the 1%.

[arikara]

106. Exactly

[senz]

45. They already did that. The result was the "Third Way," aka DLC, aka Blue Dog Dems.

[PufPuf23]

49. Looks like the Democratic establishment could readily slice off

the remaining sanity in the GOP and jettison the liberal wing of the Democratic Party.

That's why I don't like the idea of people leaving the Democratic party out of frustration and not being represented.

At some point the neo-liberals are going to major fail.

[beachbum bob]

2. Not all progressives support sanders...either way as a Democrat

Keeping a trump or Cruz out of the Whitehouse is way more important than egos...that's is our mission...

[Armstead]

3. Won't be my mission...I'll hold my nose and pull the D lever but that's it

[PowerToThePeople]

4. Wall street thanks you.

I say "fuck that noise!"

Bern it down!

[840high]

29. .that^

[Joe the Revelator]

8. You're a better person then me. I'll vote down ticket.

[Armstead]

39. Not better....Self preservation. The only thing that depresses me more than the....

idea of four years of Clinton is four years of Trump or any of the GOP jokers.

[Turin_C3PO]

72. I want ACA

to stick around (if not something much better).My health depends on it. While I don't think Hillary will improve on it at all, I am fairly confident she won't gut it like a Republican would. Of course my ideal situation would be for Sanders and a Democratic majority to pass some type of single payer system.

[babylonsister]

12. Amen.

Wow. "Anyone but * 2004" That got me here on DU, and now look where we are. Sigh. Bernie just won RI with lessened voting places. Imagine that.

[Armstead]

41. I chose that avatar with a certain sense of irony.....Alas it's deja vu

[Ed Suspicious]

6. I'm done giving the DNC license to abuse me. No, she won't get my vote.

[senz]

40. Make it clear you mean "in the primary."

I like having you around, Ed.

[NurseJackie]

51. After all, you do have your pride.

[2banon]

82. "Progressives" another term that became co-opted by the Third Way

that word used to mean something. When Hillary publicly identified herself as "progressive".... umm. nevermind.

[TransitJohn]

84. Trump or Cruz are way more likely now

They look more attractive to independents now that Bernie isn't in the race. Hillary does horrible with independents, who decide national elections.

[rhett o rick]

103. If you support Clinton then by definition you are not a progressive. Progressives do not support

the greed of Wall Street. Progressives do not support the neocon wars that Clinton reverse. Progressives do not support Prisons For Profits, fracking and job killing Free Trade agreements.

Our mission is to throw the Rich and Powerful out of our government.

[randome]

5. Apparently things are looking up for the Democratic Party despite the nay-sayers.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-most-important-poll-you-didn-t-see

Take all that together and you come away with pretty clear evidence that over the course of the Democratic primary young voters have become more attached to progressive politics and the Democratic party. One read of this is that the primary process itself - as divisive as it has sometimes seemed - has deepened young voters' identification with the Democratic party.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]

[dreamnightwind]

14. Not likely, no

I spend some time reading threads on Reddit and elsewhere that are inhabited by young millenials for Bernie. There is no love for the Democratic Party in those circles, they are seen as an obstacle to reform rather than a vehicle for it. If they identify with the Democratic Party, it is because Bernie is running and will not transfer to corporate Democrats, the kids are onto you.

[Armstead]

18. Same thing may happen to millennials that happened to liberals in the 90's

Get bamboozled by the Clintons and the Corporate Democratic party , and then will get angry and alienated from it when chickens come home to roost.

What a country!

[randome]

19. Sure, that COULD happen. OTOH, maybe things won't turn out as Dystopian as you think.

One way to guard against that is to work as a team and accomplish what we can. Clinton will not be a perfect President but we can help her be a better one.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]

[Armstead]

26. Right now I'm just so depressed and angry that I'm not going to think in any long term...

Have to recharge and do an attitude adjustment....I feel very estranged from partisan politics at the moment.

[NurseJackie]

52. Hey ...

[Punkingal]

27. How can we help her be a better president?

Explain that to me, please.

[senz]

32. Pay for massive psychotherapy and spiritual advising?

A brain transplant?

I don't think they have soul transplants yet.

Hi, Punkingal.

[Punkingal]

53. Hi Senz!

I was asking a serious question. I just don't see how we can "help" her be a better president when she so obviously doesn't care what most of us think. Her presidency, if she even gets elected, will be a disaster. I shudder when I think about it.

[senz]

55. I shudder when I think of what it would do to the American people.

I believe the ethics, morals, and psychological stability of the president are fundamental.

[randome]

38. Well, we could stop insulting people like senz does down below.

Obama said it best recently: you can't get change if you don't try to talk with the people you want to change things.

I think the election issues this primary highlighted are a good topic for change. So is pressing for faster action on climate change. Rallies. Petitions. Something other than social media postings.

I don't have the answers. To be honest, I don't think the actions of any politician have affected me or mine in...ever. Sure, 9/11 made me wait a little longer to go through airport security but that's about it.

Clinton will not be the ideal President for most. She is not mine. But she won't be the monster others imagine her to be, either. I'm certain of that. And hey, I was right about her coming out on top over Sanders so it's probably safe to assume that I'm always right. Right?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]

[Kang Colby]

7. Good. Better than some loon who wants to..

Tobin tax me 50 basis points every time I fund my retirement.

[Lucky Luciano]

33. No way it would be a 50 bps tax.

[uponit7771]

43. 5 would be too much

[hellofromreddit]

93. Bad news

Impose a high-frequency trading tax and reform the rules that govern our stock markets. The growth of high-frequency trading (HFT) has unnecessarily burdened our markets and enabled unfair and abusive trading strategies that often capitalize on a “two-tiered” market structure with obsolete rules. That’s why Clinton would impose a tax targeted specifically at harmful HFT. In particular, the tax would hit HFT strategies involving excessive levels of order cancellations, which make our markets less stable and less fair.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2015/10/08/wall-street-work-for-main-street/

[2banon]

81. I just love complaints from the priveldged on this board.

you have a retirement to fund. lucky you.

[2banon]

83. That term is not appropriate here. Please review the rules.

and edit your remarks.

[TransitJohn]

85. As long as you get yours, then

Fuck the young, amirite?

[Hoyt]

10. There are people here who believe gunz are "progressive." Term is misused.

[senz]

13. Is there anyone here so DUMB to think a D- NRA rating means pro-gunz?

I sure hope not.

[Hoyt]

16. You miss my point, but you sound a bit sensitive about his position.

[senz]

28. No, I'm sick of the lies, that's all.

And I'm sick of "Democrats" who sound like Republicans, Hoyt.

[uponit7771]

44. D- is a passing grade and its horrible! Way to go with being in with this horrible organization SBS

[senz]

48. Okay, let's ask one of our favorite presidents ...

[uponit7771]

63. Clinton gets an F from the NRA something the uber "progressive" Sanders can't say

[Armstead]

15. Bernie is only slightly more moderate on guns than Clinton....

and she won't be able to do diddly on that issue either. She hasn't the effectiveness to overcome the NRA. 4 years from now gun control will still be about where it is now.

[Hoyt]

17. My point is the term "progressive " is often misused. Yelling at the sky won't

get us anywhere, it's not "progressive."

[Armstead]

20. That seems to be about the only option

I can deal with the loss of a candidate....But the WAY this whole came down epitomized everything wrong and opened Pandora.s Box.

I never give up. But I'll be goddamned if I'll accept this bullshit.

[Hoyt]

23. You have my empathy, supported George McGovern and really wanted george war bush beaten in 2004.

[AgingAmerican]

22. In a nutshell

The weakness of her pitch to Democrats

[senz]

11. Fuck Wall Street

and any politician whom they have bought.

[Skwmom]

24. There are only two separate branches of one corporate entity.

[actslikeacarrot]

25. War wins again...

...but who gives a fuck? It's just mainly millennials fighting the wars of today, no big loss.

[Peregrine Took]

30. Ya, but it will never be the same. Its been Berned and the scortch marks will remain! n/t

[riderinthestorm]

31. Our country is now officially fucked on climate change

Hillary supporters now own the coming disasters and Madame President goes down as the worst president ever for failing to act aggressively.

Yay Dems!!

[senz]

34. Oh don't you know? She just mouthed nearly all of Bernie's talking points in a speech.

Including climate change.

She will say anything. What she says has no relation to what she thinks or feels.

[oasis]

35. If moving towards Bernie's position was a condition for his support,

it's a good thing, so relax.

[Armstead]

36. Words....They go in one ear and out the otehr...In the GE she'll be back to Ms. Centrist

[oasis]

42. If Bernie agrees with you then he should say he won't support her.

Bernie being a man of his word and all.

[Armstead]

46. I think he'll support her.....but in his Bernie way

Honesty over tact.

[oasis]

50. If it's anything less than a full throated endorsement,

he can keep it. Damning with faint praise, is still damning.

[Armstead]

57. He -- and I (and many others) -- still believe those issues are vital to keep pressing on them

And that's more important than kumbya

Clinton has to win or lose on her own merits. As Bernie said "That's her job if she is the nominee."

[2banon]

90. Thanks for confirming your passive aggressive intentions here.

Doesn't look to me like you're very interested in unity either.

So now that's out of the way, so long, enjoy your "victory" g'bye.

[2banon]

88. Got Bait?

[senz]

37. Do you even know what it is you're supporting for the presidency?

I seriously doubt it.

Anyway, Bernie was wise enough to say she'd have to convince us, the Bernie supporters. And we've been looking through her for a long time.

[oasis]

47. I know I'm supporting a candidate who knows what she wants

to accomplish and knows how to get it done.

[senz]

54. What she wants is money and power

she gets it done by stacking the deck, paying people off, and intimidation. She's also been at it for 16 years because she has no natural talent and no message of her own.

But I learned last night that y'all are most likely authoritarian followers, so you'll follow your authority regardless of who she is and what she does. And I don't know how to help you, oasis. Whatever made you this way is beyond my power to change.

Right now I'm feeling guilty that I let the fatigue and pain of RA keep me from getting more truth out there sooner. Do you think it would have made a difference if I'd posted these two OPs a week ago?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511841756

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511840648

There is a huge lie floating out there that Bernie doesn't get things done -- when the truth is, he always has.

[oasis]

56. I want a Democrat in the White House and she's the ticket.

But thanks for offering to "help me".

[senz]

59. Third Way isn't Democrat.

You know perfectly well she and Bill were never traditional Democrats.

And I didn't "offer" to help you; I said I know authoritarian followers can't be helped.

[Armstead]

58. Don't feel guilty -- you did a lot

[senz]

60. For days I'd been wanting to put together OPs on the subject

and just didn't feel up to it. Today, looking at the impending elections, I pushed myself and still didn't finish until close to the end of voting time. And man do my hands hurt.

I just heard on NPR (ugh) that her voters picked her because they thought she was more accomplished and could beat the Republicans in the GE, both of which we know are wrong. Completely wrong.

So, since "mea culpa" is my middle name, I'm feeling guilty. Although I know one little old lady isn't going to make the difference. I've got to work on the guilt thing.

NPR is crowing over this, and I could slap them for it.

[2banon]

89. "There is a huge lie floating out there..."

There is a huge lie floating out there that Bernie doesn't get things done -- when the truth is, he always has.

Amen!

[frylock]

65. Deep.

[2banon]

87. omg.

[Blue_In_AK]

61. I don't see how she could be all

"I don't need to do anything to appeal to Bernie's supporters, I'm WINNING," one night and then the very next day go on about "unity." She's a hypocrite.

[Recursion]

62. What are you talking about? We've reduced our emissions by more than our Kyoto target

Per capita emissions are down 20% from their peak, at their lowest level in 50 years. Total emissions are down 5% from their peak. If anything Clinton will be more aggressive than Obama on this.

[riderinthestorm]

64. Being "more aggressive" than Obama is laughable.

We need bold, muscular international leadership on this. Hillary is tepid at best.

Her international campaign for fracking here and abroad is a fact.

Her support for cluster bombs is an environmental disgrace not to mention the toxicity of war in general to the planet.

TPP all but guarantees environmental degradation. Hillary supports it with some "tweaks".

[Recursion]

67. You know fracking reduces emissions, right?

I mean, you are aware of that, I hope, since you seem to care about this? Natural gas burns cleaner than coal. Fracking is a large part of why our emissions are falling at the rate they are.

TPP all but guarantees environmental degradation.

Ummm.... no, it puts stronger environmental standards in place in most of its signatories than they currently have.

[riderinthestorm]

70. And fracking has an unpleasant tendency to destroy ground water

How about we go hard to renewables and not fight this?



http://ecowatch.com/2015/06/18/martin-omalley-climate-plan/

[Recursion]

71. It does, but the question was climate change

I'm all for renewables, but I prefer natural gas to coal.

The bigger shift will be when we go to mostly driverless electric cars and driverless trucks over the next couple of decades. That in turn will mean as radical a shift in development and urban planning as the 1950s were.

[riderinthestorm]

73. ooohkay, you don't think fracking plays its part in that equation?

FWIW, I amended my post to include O'Malleys positions.

Any search of my posting history shows i was really in O'Malleys camp for a long time before I committed to Sanders.

[Recursion]

74. Sure, fracking clearly reduces emissions

Fracking has allowed our power production grid to cut the amount of coal it uses in half by replacing it with natural gas.

Fracking has a lot of problems, but it's definitely a factor in reducing emissions.

[riderinthestorm]

75. Whoosh... I'm not talking emissions. I'm talking aquifers. nt

[Recursion]

76. Sure, it's awful for aquifers. And earthquakes. But the question above was about climate change

And that's something it has a positive impact on.

[riderinthestorm]

80. Climate change for those unable to live in OK

due to fracking aren't going to be interested in your nuance.

They're simply going to be a part of the displaced along with the coastal communities whose homes are unhabitible as the seas rise.

Surely your Indian FS wife has the models on Bangladesh within 5 years?

[hatrack]

66. Yes, and atmospheric CO2 is now growing at 3+ ppm/yr, not 2+ (around 408-410 now)

I don't think a round of self-congratulatory applause is really merited right now.

[Recursion]

68. Well, talk to Chindia about that

The US is doing our part.

[hatrack]

91. Yes, if it's emitted by China or India, it wont affect us

Good luck with that.

[Recursion]

94. What a weird claim. Of course it will affect us. Do you not know that?

Do you actually take this issue seriously?

[hatrack]

96. You might want to recalibrate your sarc-meter

.

And if you haven't checked the 30,000-odd posts I have in Environment and Energy, yes, I do take this seriously

[arcane1]

102. Yeah, that coal we're not burning gets exported to countries who do burn it.

It's a shell game.

[Turin_C3PO]

69. The fight for progressive reform will continue.

It goes beyond this election and I think the party will have no choice but to modify their positions to be much less Wall Street friendly and much more working class friendly. BUT we have to keep up the pressure on the congress critters and Clinton (if she wins the presidency), and then elect more progressive folks. I'm optimistic this will happen, but I've been wrong before. Hopefully not this time!

[2banon]

86. Since the term "Progressive" has been co-opted by Third Way to mean Third Way

we're going have to come to an agreement to shake that one off as well.

First they co-opted the term Liberal, and now they've co-opted Progressive.

Got to give that to 'em, they have the art of CO-OPTING progressive ideas for campaigns down and everyone keeps falling for it, only to see it get flushed down the toilet once elected.

[Vinca]

92. In their world "progressive" means making sure big insurance gets a piece of the health care pie.

[2banon]

95. Exactly. n/t

[Armstead]

100. How about Commie?

[felix_numinous]

97. Yep

Keep trading till the tide comes in.

[bigwillq]

98. Bwah. I wish that weren't true.

But it is indeed.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

101. Looks that way. While social issues will be the main reason liberals must vote for her

if they want to call themselves liberals, we do all lose on the Wall Street front.

I dont know what it will take, but I do know if the Bernie millennials stay engage, start to run for office, etc., we may be saved someday.

[ozone_man]

105. The choice is between Trump and Goldman Sachs.

Tough choice! There must be another option, 'cause I don't do lesser of evils. And GS is the biggest evil I know of, in addition to war forever.

Bernie will stay in until the end. I think it is the beginning of big change in the country and this is only the beginning.