FDR Won A Contested Convention, So Can Bernie

[amborin]

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history/2016/03/how_franklin_roosevelt_won_the_contested_1932_convention_and_the_white_house.html

How an inexperienced New Yorker famous for his name emerged from the contested 1932 convention to win the presidency.

[JoePhilly]

1. Not after tonight.

[Agschmid]

2. He really needs to win the pledged delegates for this to be contested.

It's not.

[morningfog]

4. Now now, I have been assured that the pledged delegate winner

will be the nominee. If he win the PDs, is would not be contested by Hillary, right? Right?

[Agschmid]

7. If he had the pledged delegate lead I would call out Hillary.

But he doesn't have that lead, and it's less and less likely he will.

[lancer78]

3. Bernie is toast

If he loses all 5 tonight, there will be a good chance that he drops out in a few days.

[morningfog]

5. He won't and he won't.

[Agschmid]

8. He won't lose all 5.

[Robbins]

14. Bernie may win 2 tonight

he won't be dropping out till convention even with all the voter fraud of clintons,DNC,and dem establishment.

[firebrand80]

6. He's proven how strong he is

By losing all the big States

[Renew Deal]

9. Were there any primaries those years?

It was all about swaying party bosses.

[LiberalFighter]

20. Sometimes history is hard to understand.

[Maru Kitteh]

10. Denial.

[Joe the Revelator]

11. His path now is to go third party or go home.

Facts.

[randome]

12. More than 80 years ago and in a different century! Not at all relevant to today.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]

[Califonz]

13. So if both conventions are brokered...

We get Bush vs. Clinton again?

[DrDan]

15. but he did not have to come from behind like Bernie

[PufPuf23]

16. Thank you I enjoyed and recommend the informative read. eom

[Peace Patriot]

17. Ye-e-e-e-es!!! So can Bernie!!!

[Scurrilous]

18. Teddy Kennedy failed in 1980, and so will Bernie (if it goes that far).

"The 1980 convention was notable as it was the last time in the 20th century, for either major party, that a candidate tried to get delegates released from their voting commitments. This was done by Massachusetts Senator Edward M. Kennedy, Carter's chief rival for the nomination in the Democratic primaries, who sought the votes of delegates held by Carter."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_Democratic_National_Convention


"Kennedy’s challenge of Carter for the ’80 nod was unusually bitter and protracted. Even though Carter won twice as many delegates in the primary and caucus season, Kennedy fought all the way to the August convention, attempting to convince delegates to support a rule change that would have allowed them to vote their conscience on the first ballot — instead of being forced to cast a ballot for the candidate they’d been pledged to during the primary season. Only when this effort failed did Kennedy back down and end his campaign (with what was probably the best speech of his career)."

http://www.salon.com/2010/09/20/carter_kennedy_drinks/


Fought to the bitter end, weakening Carter, ultimately ushering in Reagan. But, great speech!! @#$% that!

[thucythucy]

19. FDR was the popular governor of a major state (New York)

and had been on the national Democratic ticket years earlier as candidate for vice president. He was a major figure in the Democratic Party, having worked in the trenches, so to speak, for decades.

He was also a member of one of the country's most prominent political families--one could even call it a dynasty--since his cousin Theodore Roosevelt had also been a popular president.

Sorry, but I don't think your analogy works.

[Corporate666]

21. People don't understand what "contested" means....

it doesn't mean someone just doesn't want to give up and "contests" the convention.

It means no candidate has enough delegate votes to secure the nomination. And yes, super delegates count.

That's not going to happen this year. Clinton is only short by 285 delegates, and there are 1,000 left to win. Unless Bernie can win 72% of the remaining delegates, she's the nominee.

The whole "super delegates don't count!" thing was just a silly rationale developed by people who didn't want to accept the reality of the situation and assumed they would all switch if Bernie won more pledged delegates. Then when it became clear he wouldn't win more pledged delegates, it was taken as a path forward, that somehow they aren't "real" votes and don't count.

Newsflash. They ARE real votes. They DO count.

Hillary is going to be voted the nominee on the first vote. That's just what IS going to happen. There will be no contested convention, and 2016 has nothing to do with 1932, when no candidate had the winning number including all delegate votes.

[Skid Rogue]

22. "I served with Jack Kennedy...

I knew Jack Kennedy. Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine. Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy."