2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIf you're voting Tuesday for Hillary but not firmly committed, vote Bernie, you have nothing to lose
If it's an internal argument between your ideals/pragmatism and as the polls currently have Hillary favored in the closed primary states voting on Tuesday, she may win anyway. So from a pragmatic standpoint you still win.
If Bernie wins and can go on to the Midwest and West in a stronger position the continued debate will energize or invigorate the Democratic Party, your highest ideals will have a chance to win out in this marathon.
During Bernie's darkest political hour after losing New York, the New York Times; a publication which had earlier endorsed Hillary said as much when their Editorial Board argued that Bernie should stay in the race.
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Mr. Sanders has always stood more for a vision than for reality, especially with a Republican-led Congress. As he and Mrs. Clinton tore into each other in last weeks debate in Brooklyn, some Democrats worried that the nasty fracas would hurt the party. Others want Mr. Sanders to get out and let Mrs. Clinton focus on the Trump threat.
Mr. Sanderss presence has made this an immeasurably more substantive race, in which both candidates policies have been better vetted, and as a result, better delineated. Thats the best preparation for the general election. Yes, Mrs. Clintons lead is nearly insurmountable, but it should be voters who erase the nearly.
Mr. Sanders has voiced the concerns and energized millions of young people, many of them voting for the first time. His candidacy has forced the party to go deeper on addressing issues like wealth inequality, college tuition costs and the toll of globalization important points of distinction with Republicans. Whats more, Mr. Sanderss commitment to small individual contributions has put the lie to Democrats excuses that they, too, must play the big money game to win. This is a message too seldom heard in the party that first championed campaign finance reform. That its back is long overdue, good for Democrats and good for campaigning. Mrs. Clinton is clearly irritated by the fact that she has to deal with this guy, the Democratic strategist David Axelrod said in an interview. But hes pushed her on a lot of issues in a positive way, and I think that his young supporters will be bitterly resentful if anyone tries to shove him out of the race.
Voters are keeping these also-ran candidates going. When Mr. Sanders loses in a state, he raises more money, not less. Voters consistently choose Mr. Kasich as the Republican most likely to beat Mrs. Clinton. This refusal to anoint a front-runner in either party appears in poll after poll, as dispirited voters declare that they simply dont like Mr. Trump, Mr. Cruz or Mrs. Clinton. This should be a wake-up call to leaders of both parties. They are missing something big about their own members priorities, and their mood. A spirited nominating season might teach them what voters actually want from their president. So far, voters are saying they arent willing to settle for a party favorite, and dont want to be cheated out of a choice.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/20/opinion/sanders-and-kasich-should-ignore-any-pressure-to-quit.html?_r=0
Of course Independents are a required constituency in the general election, in too many closed Democratic Primaries they haven't had a voice.
With Bernie being the nominee, his appeal and message is stronger with Independents, Bernie polls much better against Republicans than Hillary because of this, so your pragmatism still wins out.
Bernie beating Republicans by much greater margins than Hillary has a been a long term consistent trend and as we inevitably march closer to the general election, those polls validity continually increases.
The duel dynamics of simultaneously energizing the Democratic Party with heart while drawing in the majority of Independents with head creates a much greater opportunity to change the Congress for the better.
From either an idealistic or pragmatic standpoint a vote for Bernie on Tuesday is a win/win situation.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Squinch
(50,955 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... I crack ME up too.
I love this OP.
"Hey Hillary supporters ... here's an idea, get drunk, and vote for Bernie and your ideals will be propelled forward!!!!!!"
Squinch
(50,955 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... delegates in PA ... so that their "ideals" can be carried forward even though Bernie is going to lose.
Dude, glass is less transparent.
Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)Squinch
(50,955 posts)EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)brooklynite
(94,597 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Dem voters, especially.