I will remain registered as a Democrat long enough to vote

[Ron Green]

for Bernie Sanders in my state's primary. After that, it depends on to what extent the DNC allows democracy to prevail at the convention.

How about you?

[redstateblues]

86. Bullshit. Hillary was one of the most liberal Senators in Congress

To say she is not a Democrat is a smear. Bernie has barely lifted a finger to help down ballot Dems

[silvershadow]

94. The TPP. nt

[MelissaB]

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It looks like some people need to stay out of the Bernie group if they are so thin skinned.

[CoffeeCat]

105. Libya (nt)

[bvf]

106. Private prisons. n/t

[Duckhunter935]

108. Voting for the Iraq war

[amborin]

114. bombing Libya, double-crossing voters by lobbying & voting FOR Colombia FTA, bankruptcy bill, etc...

[MadBadger]

2. What would the DNC allowing democracy to prevail and not allowing be?

[Ron Green]

8. We'll have to watch and find out, no?

The DNC's antics so far this cycle have been decidedly undemocratic. There will be more social media scrutiny now than of any past conventions, so perhaps a consensus will emerge.

[MadBadger]

9. I'm just curious what that means to you though.

Is there any scenario where Hillary is the nominee and you will feel like the DNC is allowing Democracy to prevail?

[Ron Green]

19. Here's a good start:

Hillary embraces the idea of single-payer health care, and adopts, word-for-word, Bernie's climate plan (have you seen it? It's outstanding.)

[randome]

29. Pushing for greater action on climate change is something specific to push for.

All in favor of that.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Precision and concision. That's the game.[/center][/font][hr]

[Viva_La_Revolution]

43. pushing, thinking about, dawdling....no! action now

[randome]

45. Obama said it best recently: you won't get anywhere without cooperation.

It's like trying to escape quicksand -the only way to survive is to stop thrashing around and calmly find a way out. There is no "Now!". There is only convincing our leaders to do something as quickly as possible. Anything less means failure. That's the long and the short of it.

But I think climate change should be our number one issue.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Precision and concision. That's the game.[/center][/font][hr]

[artislife]

53. You have to have a stand on something to be cooperated with...

[CreekDog]

120. if you want democracy to prevail, then why would you require her to adopt his policies

when she won more votes?

i mean, your OP didn't say, "i'll leave the party unless she adopts his policies because i think those policies are better".

you equated adopting your beliefs and Bernie's as being representative of "democracy".

but you gave no evidence that it was anything more than just your way of getting what you want and labeling it the democratic thing for everybody, even if it gets less votes.

[Ron Green]

121. The main point here is that her "winning more votes"

is under a cloud of suspicion, with every mechanism of the system - the media, the big-money donors, the DNC, the "superdelegates," the incumbents - at play in a way that spotlights the need to change this same system.

All my OP is saying is that, unless this summer's Democratic convention brings 1) an exposure, 2) an admission, and 3) a remedy of the system described above, I'll continue my partisan activities in a different direction.

In other words, I don't buy the version of democracy you're selling and/or defending.

[Unicorn]

100. If the nomination is decided by unelected super delegates.

[MadBadger]

111. So then you want whoever has the most pledged delegates to win, right?

I agree. And that will likely happen.

[randome]

20. How has the DNC been undemocratic?

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Precision and concision. That's the game.[/center][/font][hr]

[stevenleser]

84. Apparently that the voters denied Bernie his nomination. That makes it undemocratic.

[Democratic Divo]

97. Exactly

It hasn't. Hillary is winning fair and square.

[Bleacher Creature]

3. This reads like a ransom note.

And wouldn't "democracy" mean that the person with the most votes and most delegates wins????

[Trenzalore]

27. Nah

Some random poll at the end will suffice.

[TDale313]

51. Oh please. People have every right to expect their party to reflect their values.

And to reevaluate party affiliation if they feel that is no longer the case.

[Zynx]

58. Except when they're too immature to realize that the GOP has gone fascist and will win if the left

splinters. This has happened in other countries. It's not theoretical.

[TDale313]

64. and we hear this type of argument every time someone points out

That the Democratic Party has some serious issues that need to be addressed.

[KansDem]

4. I'm sticking with Bernie all the way to November.

[840high]

31. I am 2

[JimDandy]

91. I'm with him as long as he's here on earth

and will advocate for his policies long after he's not.

[basselope]

5. I'm out of this party the day after my vote.

I've been independent since 1992. I only switched it to avoid any confusion.

Will switch back as soon as I can.

[kstewart33]

69. Good for you!

Much better than crabbing about the voting process.

[basselope]

90. I will still continue to fight against your voter suppression tactics.

But, I will not financially support the institution.

[kstewart33]

119. I wasn't aware that I had voter suppression tactics.

I guess you know more about me than I do. How strange.

[basselope]

123. You support and organization that does.

So guilty.

[Mike__M]

115. Because democrats shouldn't care about the voting process

?

[grntuscarora]

6. I'll be Indie again as soon as my primary is over.

If Bernie wins the nom, I'll do everything to help win over indies and centrist Rs. If not, I couldn't care less what happens to the damn party.

[randome]

14. So you'll be giving up, then? That's what Indie means. Some revolutionary.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Precision and concision. That's the game.[/center][/font][hr]

[grntuscarora]

24. Giving up changing the direction of a

moribund party from within, perhaps. But not by any means giving up on altering the course of the country, which is really all I care about.

[JimDandy]

92. Altering the course of the country...

[alcibiades_mystery]

7. The usual PUMA nonsense

And just like the 2008 PUMAs, few will remember or care about these tantrums.

[sufrommich]

10. Amen.nt

[grntuscarora]

11. Keep your happy thought.

The times they are a'changin'.

[Ron Green]

13. I think it's quite different from 2008.

Then, the momentum of the nominee carried with it a great hope for the Democratic Party. Now, of course, not.

[Zynx]

17. Everyone thinks their views are special and worth throwing a temper tantrum over.

[artislife]

55. Yes, especially the h crowd

"it's her turn" " you have to vote for MY candidate" " you aren't a real Democrat" "you will be wasting your vote"


all bullshit.

[Zynx]

56. I literally have not heard a single Hillary supporter say "It's her turn." I have, however, heard

thousands of Bernie supporters say, "Vote Bernie, or I don't show up in November." I've also heard them say Hillary is a Republican, or "not a real Democrat."

[artislife]

62. I have. nt

[mythology]

71. You do realize that in this very thread the OP is basically saying if Bernie isn't the nominee

they will leave the party and another poster saying only if Clinton changes to Sanders' platform that they will vote for her is exactly what you're accusing Clinton supporters of?

You either didn't read those posts, or you are intentionally disregarding them, but it's hard to claim that Clinton supporters are the ones saying only vote for their candidate. And I have not seen a single person other than Sanders supporters saying that think it's Hillary's turn.

[stevenleser]

85. Bingo. nt

[99Forever]

21. You're so fucking great....

... you don't need our help.


Have at it. let us know how that works out for you.

[alcibiades_mystery]

33. Yeah, that line of bullshit stopped working a while ago

You're a bunch of complainers on small web site.

Do what the fuck you want with your vote.

You know the policy positions. Nobody is obligated to listen to your nonsense or kiss your ass for your vote.

Vote your fucking conscience. Whatever.

[99Forever]

35. ...

Bye bye SH.

[artislife]

60. This is exactly what I would say to any h supporter

You're a bunch of complainers on small web site.

Do what the fuck you want with your vote.

You know the policy positions. Nobody is obligated to listen to your nonsense or kiss your ass for your vote.

Vote your fucking conscience. Whatever.

Right back at you with your own words

[alcibiades_mystery]

87. ...

[La Lioness Priyanka]

38. amen. i was a HRC voter in 08 and had zero tolerance for the PUMA shit. nt

[JoePhilly]

68. + 1

[joshcryer]

103. Yeah, it's pitiful.

[oldandhappy]

12. same, will vote for Bernie

I will change my registration because I want the DNC to see the numbers of registered Dems go down. Their manipulations and control and money grubbing have not been nurturing of people. I will vote Dem -- at least downticket! Have not decided on registration. Will be either Independent or Green. Actually in Ca it has to be 'not declare' or something for independent. The convention is a good point. And the platform is critical for me. The clinton team is so controlling that I have huge doubts about democracy. See your name. You need to go Green!!

[Zynx]

15. Democracy prevailing should be the candidate who has the most votes, no?

Hillary has been winning by a lot.

[alcibiades_mystery]

34. IT'S NOT FAIR WINNING! NOT FAIR!!!!

[randome]

16. Define 'democracy at the convention'.

Do you mean throwing the nomination to Sanders?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Precision and concision. That's the game.[/center][/font][hr]

[Ron Green]

23. I wanna hear Hillary acknowledge that her candidacy,

despite being propped up by every resource of the bought system, is shaky and false, and that she promises to pay attention to what millions of people are demanding about the future.

[randome]

25. Well, the second part is worthwhile but you couldn't stop insulting her, could you?

We are on the same side, you know, in the things that matter. 'Propped up' just means Clinton has the connections and teamwork (something Sanders sorely lacks) to get things done. Now it's up to us to push her to get the things done that we care about. Both sides need to swallow their pride and stop with the insults.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Precision and concision. That's the game.[/center][/font][hr]

[Ron Green]

32. What you call "connections and teamwork" was identified by C. Wright Mills

decades ago as the "ruling elites." It's the very thing that ought to be purged from politics, and although this corruption has existed forever, the promise of America is that we can and should move beyond it.

[Thinkingabout]

18. Democracy will occur at the convention.

[Loudestlib]

22. Stay in and don't donate.

That way you can still help pick nominees.

[artislife]

63. That's my plan.

I will caucus for the most radical person.

If the milk toast one gets on the ballot...who knows how I will vote.

[Loudestlib]

74. +1

[brooklynite]

26. Letting the candidate with the most votes win would be a good start.

[Mike__M]

107. Sure, but a better start

And a more democratic start, would be that all the citizens who want to vote are allowed to vote. Another democratic step would be to count the votes and accurately report the count.
"With the most votes" shouldn't be as complicated as it is appearing to be.

[brooklynite]

110. All the citizens who want to vote can vote...in the General Election

The Primary is a candidate selection process by and for the Democratic Party. The Party allows individual States to decide who can participate. I personally support a closed process, in which those people who have chosen to be Democrats, make the candidate decision.

[underthematrix]

28. Welp. I'm voting for our Dem nominee and

every down ticket candidate. I'm so loyal, I'll return in two years to make sure our DEM President continues to get stuff done with our Dem controlled Congress.

[B Calm]

30. I prefer to change rules to the better and grow the democratic base.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

36. the votes are the purest expression of democracy

so if the convention is democratic, the person with the most votes will win. Which in this case will be HRC.

[artislife]

65. And when she loses in November it will be another democratic event. nt

[Downwinder]

37. Under State Law I will be registered as a Democrat

until 2018. Who knows after that? There is no legal requirement as to whom I vote for.

[Jackilope]

39. I can file Independent right now and vote in SD for Democratic candidate.

Post June, if HRC is nominee, I am registering Independent.

We need a revolution and it's gonna have to be messier and louder than the kinder, gentler route Bernie has been paving. If HRC is nominee, I do hope he runs Independent. I see no reason why he owes DNC any favors.

[Ron Green]

42. Agreed. This nonsense that he somehow "used the Democratic Party to

advance his own agenda" pales next to the fact that, despite being shut out by the DNC, he offered the Party a real shot at doing right by this country and its future.

[Jackilope]

44. I am hoping he is hearing us on this. I don't want Corporate choices.

[fun n serious]

40. I am a proud big D

for life

[whatchamacallit]

41. Same. My party, the one that I always assumed was just, fair, principled, democratic...

has turned me off to politics. Maybe for good.

[CrispyQ]

46. I changed my affiliation back to Green after our caucus. -nt

[procon]

47. What's with all these vanity posts?

You're not even making sense. In a general election you can vote for any candidate of any party regardless of what party you are registered with or if you are registered with no party preference as an independent or unaligned voter.

If you're so worried about what the national committee is doing, what about your state party? Being a Democrat is about much more than just a presidential election every 4 years. In many states you don't even have to be a registered Democrat to vote in the primaries, or don't you ever participate in your state and local elections to put Dems in office?

[redstateblues]

89. Sorry it's a bunch of sore loser crybabies

I'd like to see Bernie use his popularity to get some of the whiners out in the midterms. We'll see then if it's really a movement or just a cult of personality.

[Califonz]

48. My district's Congresswoman is a Democrat, likely to be re-elected 80/20 as usual

so I'll keep my registration D after the election in case I need a favor from their office, unlikely as that might be.

[djean111]

49. If Bernie is not the nominee, I will stay registered as a "Democrat" until after the

Florida primary on Aug. 30, so I can vote for Alan Grayson. After that - non-affiliated.

[Zynx]

59. You sure can pick them. I would literally only vote Grayson for his vote on court appointments.

Other than that, nah.

[grossproffit]

50. I'm voting for Hillary.

[artislife]

52. I live in a Caucus state

I am staying in to sway future elections to the Left. Who I will vote for when all is said and done, depends.

On ISSUES.

[peacebird]

54. For me, if Bernie is the nominee I will remain a D. If not, I will consider that the DLC/ThirdWay

Have consolidated rule and destroyed the Democratic party as the party of the people.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

57. President Drumpf will be a hoot! New reality game "Which of your neighbors will be deported tonite"

Wont that be fun....

[artislife]

66. I was waiting for the boogie man.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

70. Show me where I am wrong....

[sadoldgirl]

83. Just as the Dem. party decided more or less

our nominee, so will the repugs.
Better be prepared for Kasich or Ryan.

[RedCappedBandit]

61. I don't plan to change my affiliation.

I'd like to continue voting in the primaries. There's no down side to staying registered. It's a check box on a piece of paper. In fact the arbitrariness of the whole thing makes the concept of a closed primary all the sillier.

[kstewart33]

67. That's the way to do it!

Register to vote, vote and then leave the party if you'd like.

I wish more Bernie supporters did as you did. Them's the party rules!

[hobbit709]

72. Good thing in TX is you don't have to register party affiliation.

If you vote in a primary, you can't vote in any runoff in the other party's primary but that's it.

But since I never voted R in any election ever.

[baldguy]

73. Then don't try to claim to be a Democrat, or that you support Democratic Party principles.

Because your statement means you think - and don't try to deny it - that Trump would be a better President than Clinton. Which is absurd on it's face.

There's nothing honorable about willful stupidity.

[Ron Green]

79. "Democratic Party Principles?"

Are you talking about the imperial death spiral this country's been locked into since Reagan, with no respite under Democratic administrations?

I'll compare my credentials as a Democrat with yours any day, but my party registration has come to its moment of truth: instant runoff voting, proportional voting, whatever mechanism can get us out from under the complicity of the Clinton machine in the false choice that is American politics - that's what I'll support from now into the future.

As I said above, a come-to-Jesus moment at the convention could sway me, and perhaps many others.

[baldguy]

82. As the old saying goes: "United we stand, divided we fall".

You would rather see us fall.

[Dem2]

75. Another childish ransom post

[treestar]

76. So what party will you be joining?

Or are you going Indy? You won't be able to vote in the next primary

[Ron Green]

93. In my neck of the woods the Green Party is vibrant and viable,

with some city council seats held. With a more proportional voting system, they're poised to give a real choice to people who care about making things better.

[Mike__M]

112. Oregon has the Working Families, too

Not that this comment by a former Justice Party supporter is advocating any other parties, or suggesting that Working Families should push into Washington. Because that's against the rules.

[brooklynite]

77. No need to hang around...

...plenty of real Democrats out there.

[Kang Colby]

78. ITT a temper tantrum. n/t

[stonecutter357]

80. fuck Ron Paul.

[Cobalt Violet]

81. I'll see who gets the nomination but I'm pretty done with it.

Going back to unenrolled and will support real progressives not fake ones.

[The Second Stone]

88. The Democratic Party does not need anybody in it who is not willing to abide by

majority votes. We are better off without socialists who weekly change what they feel the rules should be to determine the winner. What is it going to be next week? The candidate who carried the most caucuses in states that don't have a lot of black voters?

Sanders is going to get his ass kicked by the time of the convention. The people who, like Stalin want to change the way the votes are counted until an outcome they like is arrived at should leave the party. People unwilling to abide by a majority should be carefully noted and never supported for any position of responsibility.

It won't be too soon for me for these anti-Democratic authoritarian socialist bros to leave.

[snowy owl]

101. You old?Loyalty to a label? It will be whomever earns my vote in the interests of democracy

Last I heard, labels do not make good Presidents.

[Lizzie Poppet]

95. My plan, as well (Portlander here).

I only flipped to vote in this primary, I should point out. I've been independent for years, since the Democratic Party moved ever rightwards and largely abandoned genuine left-wing policies.

[snowy owl]

102. I became independent in 96. Clinton #1 did it for me. But I usually vote dem -but not always.

Occasionally green.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

96. Hi neighbor. We don't register by party here in WA and are whatever we say we are.

It's quite liberating..

[Pastiche423]

98. On May 17, I will vote for Bernie

After that, I will go back to being non-affliated or maybe the Working Families Party.

[snowy owl]

99. I can be independent and still vote in primaries. I live in a state that practices democracy.

If I didn't, I'd try to know the laws and register as whatever label they need, and vote. Then I'd sign out again. I do my own thinking. I cherise my independence.

[WhiteTara]

104. do you vote in local elections?

Of just presidential? The revolution begins at home. School board elections, county board elections, local sheriff, supervisors are where the real power resides.

[Ron Green]

116. I run in local elections.

The state Dems called me a couple of months ago to reprise my run for Representative from four years ago. I wasn't interested in another such expenditure of energy and cash in a district with a thousand-vote deficit in registrations, but the Green Party, with its push for proportional voting, also has a platform more in line with my principles.

[Laffy Kat]

109. I am a Democratic Socialist...

But I will vote for the Democratic nominee because I love my country.

[dana_b]

117. I'm an indy and that's fine in California

so I'm good!

[Waiting For Everyman]

118. Maryland has closed primaries so I'll stay registered Dem,

but that doesn't mean I'll vote for them unless they're "Sanders" or "FDR" Dems. No Third Way, no pay-to-play schemers, and no super-wealth minions.

It's a blue state so my not voting for the crappy Dems in the GE probably won't matter, but there's no way I will vote for Hillary, ever. If Bernie doesn't win the nomination I will be writing his name in. One way or another I will vote for him this Fall.

I'm a boomer-age woman, and HRC disgusts me. She has zero respect for our law, which she has no problem selling to the highest bidder, and nobody who does that should ever be President. Criminals today don't get busted because they just pay to get the law changed, and that ihas to stop. Her biggest job was a failure in every way -- from email to payoffs, you can't get more incompetent than that. I wouldn't vote for her even if she "paid me to" as the saying goes, which is so her style, that still wouldn't do it. No sale.

I don't think she's a good person at all, and I don't think she's the slightest bit qualified. Smart, no, she memorizes well under the right conditions. That doesn't impress me much, to understate it. And I think her SC picks would be Wall St., neocon, and neoliberal globalist con artist types.

[2banon]

122. Hear! Here!